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  • H honey the codewitch

    It might be using your IP to locate you. :~

    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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    Roger Wright
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    I hate when they do that. I use Starlink, and all of their addresses point to Los Angeles. As a result, all the ads I get are Mexican language.

    Will Rogers never met me.

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      I hate when they do that. I use Starlink, and all of their addresses point to Los Angeles. As a result, all the ads I get are Mexican language.

      Will Rogers never met me.

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      honey the codewitch
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      There are almost 300 languages spoken in Mexico, about 150 of them in Oaxaca alone. You may have to be more specific. :laugh:

      Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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      • H honey the codewitch

        There are almost 300 languages spoken in Mexico, about 150 of them in Oaxaca alone. You may have to be more specific. :laugh:

        Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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        dandy72
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        Interesting, I did not know that - I've always made the assumption that "speaking Mexican" is actually a misnomer for speaking Spanish (there's no such thing as a language called "Mexican"). In the same vein, it's my understanding that there's no such thing as "speaking Chinese" - it's either Mandarin or, to a lesser extent, Cantonese. It's only when I was an adult that I was even made aware of these sorts of distinctions, when someone asked me if I spoke "Canadian"...always making the assumption that nobody would make the mistake of naming a language after a country, unless there was, explicitly, such a thing... Languages are fascinating. Programming languages, even more so. :-)

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          Interesting, I did not know that - I've always made the assumption that "speaking Mexican" is actually a misnomer for speaking Spanish (there's no such thing as a language called "Mexican"). In the same vein, it's my understanding that there's no such thing as "speaking Chinese" - it's either Mandarin or, to a lesser extent, Cantonese. It's only when I was an adult that I was even made aware of these sorts of distinctions, when someone asked me if I spoke "Canadian"...always making the assumption that nobody would make the mistake of naming a language after a country, unless there was, explicitly, such a thing... Languages are fascinating. Programming languages, even more so. :-)

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          honey the codewitch
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          dandy72 wrote:

          Languages are fascinating. Programming languages, even more so. :)

          Agreed. I married a polyglot who, while not a linguist by profession has presented at a cultural and language preservation conference at the University of Honolulu. Big linguist convention they hold every so many years. The reason is he speaks a language only spoken by a handful of non native speakers in the world. Mixtec, specifically Western Juxtlahuaca Mixtec out of Oaxaca Mexico, and has authored a dictionary for the language. He's done years of fieldwork, and studied in Mexico.

          Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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          • H honey the codewitch

            There are almost 300 languages spoken in Mexico, about 150 of them in Oaxaca alone. You may have to be more specific. :laugh:

            Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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            Roger Wright
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            :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Yes, but to this California-raised gringo, they all sound alike. I took Spanish classes 55 years ago, but even that wasn't Spanish; the teacher told me we were being taught the Mexican form of Spanish because our friends and neighbors wouldn't understand the pure Spanish version. Silly me, instead of learning it, I switched to Latin. :-O

            Will Rogers never met me.

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            • H honey the codewitch

              dandy72 wrote:

              Languages are fascinating. Programming languages, even more so. :)

              Agreed. I married a polyglot who, while not a linguist by profession has presented at a cultural and language preservation conference at the University of Honolulu. Big linguist convention they hold every so many years. The reason is he speaks a language only spoken by a handful of non native speakers in the world. Mixtec, specifically Western Juxtlahuaca Mixtec out of Oaxaca Mexico, and has authored a dictionary for the language. He's done years of fieldwork, and studied in Mexico.

              Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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              So you're both language experts in your own rights, but still in completely different fields. :-D

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                I've probably watched a French video a few weeks ago on YouTube. Ever since, YouTube has been showing me a mixture of French and English ads (maybe 50-50). At least I'm attributing this fact to the one video I might've watched, I see no other reason it might be showing me French ads. I do NOT log into YouTube, so there's no language preference for me to set. I have no language set in my browser (Edge) other than the default US-English. And at some point starting this week, every time I go to www.microsoft.com, it explicitly sends me to www.microsoft.com/fr-ca/. Again, despite the fact that I have no other language set in my browser. Or the OS's Regional Settings page. I could try to clear cookies, but that's an all-or-nothing type of thing - I'd probably lose a lot of tweaks for various sites I'd rather not go through again. As far as I know, you can't clear cookies specifically for one site only. Or can you? I've just tried InPrivate mode with Edge and going to www.microsoft.com. It sent me to www.microsoft.com/en-ca, so it knows I'm in Canada, but at least the page is in English. That, to me, tells me it's got to be some data in a cookie. How might I go about finding, then removing that cookie...? Or does someone have a better suggestion? (and no, I'm not changing browsers for that, TYVM)

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                • D dandy72

                  Ok. Riddle me this: Browsers on other systems within my LAN keep me on www.microsoft.com. Only one of them forwards me to www.microsoft.com/fr-ca. Yet all my systems, from MS's perspective, should originate from the same public IP. I'm not trying to be contradictory, I welcome the thoughts.

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                  Dave Kreskowiak
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                  Ya got me there. I have no idea on that one.

                  Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles. Dave Kreskowiak

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                  • R Roger Wright

                    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Yes, but to this California-raised gringo, they all sound alike. I took Spanish classes 55 years ago, but even that wasn't Spanish; the teacher told me we were being taught the Mexican form of Spanish because our friends and neighbors wouldn't understand the pure Spanish version. Silly me, instead of learning it, I switched to Latin. :-O

                    Will Rogers never met me.

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                    honey the codewitch
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                    Ha! Most of the languages spoken in Mexico are indigenous because unlike in the US they didn't force them all to learn the dominant language as part of the colonization process, even though they do punish them socially for not speaking Spanish. Racism there is primarily delineated along the lines of language - Spanish speaking Mestizo Mexicans vs the indigenous language speaking Mexicans. The Mixtec language family is tonal so it sounds Asian rather than anything that originated in Europe. Same with Triqui. I'm not sure about Zapotec. I think Mayan is tonal? I can't remember. Aztec isn't.

                    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                    • D dandy72

                      Ok. Riddle me this: Browsers on other systems within my LAN keep me on www.microsoft.com. Only one of them forwards me to www.microsoft.com/fr-ca. Yet all my systems, from MS's perspective, should originate from the same public IP. I'm not trying to be contradictory, I welcome the thoughts.

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                      jschell
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                      Been a while since I messed with this but I suspect that finding your location from your IP is still a service that one can pay for. So one place is using a service that pegs it to one location. And the others use something different.

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                      • J jschell

                        Been a while since I messed with this but I suspect that finding your location from your IP is still a service that one can pay for. So one place is using a service that pegs it to one location. And the others use something different.

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                        honey the codewitch
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                        I'm having a hard time following everything on this thread so forgive me if this is way out in left field, but ip geolocation is available as a free service. ip-api.com is one example.

                        Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                          I've probably watched a French video a few weeks ago on YouTube. Ever since, YouTube has been showing me a mixture of French and English ads (maybe 50-50). At least I'm attributing this fact to the one video I might've watched, I see no other reason it might be showing me French ads. I do NOT log into YouTube, so there's no language preference for me to set. I have no language set in my browser (Edge) other than the default US-English. And at some point starting this week, every time I go to www.microsoft.com, it explicitly sends me to www.microsoft.com/fr-ca/. Again, despite the fact that I have no other language set in my browser. Or the OS's Regional Settings page. I could try to clear cookies, but that's an all-or-nothing type of thing - I'd probably lose a lot of tweaks for various sites I'd rather not go through again. As far as I know, you can't clear cookies specifically for one site only. Or can you? I've just tried InPrivate mode with Edge and going to www.microsoft.com. It sent me to www.microsoft.com/en-ca, so it knows I'm in Canada, but at least the page is in English. That, to me, tells me it's got to be some data in a cookie. How might I go about finding, then removing that cookie...? Or does someone have a better suggestion? (and no, I'm not changing browsers for that, TYVM)

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                          Jeremy Falcon
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                          dandy72 wrote:

                          I do NOT log into YouTube, so there's no language preference for me to set. I have no language set in my browser (Edge) other than the default US-English.

                          Browser tracking doesn't need to log in, and believe me... they tracking you.

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                          And at some point starting this week, every time I go to www.microsoft.com, it explicitly sends me to www.microsoft.com/fr-ca/. Again, despite the fact that I have no other language set in my browser. Or the OS's Regional Settings page.

                          While yes, IPs can help Geo locate... I think peeps forgot to think about the fact you said this just started happening and it doesn't happen in a private window. Which means, it's not IP based. What it probably is, is MS being "smart" enough to read a third party cookie for something as popular as Google. You can always follow the redirects and sniff the HTTP traffic to help get a better idea of what's going on. If you're positive YT is the culprit (as in you never had French anything until that one video) then you can simply block third party cookies in your browser to stop it from propagating. This won't disable cookies so sites will still work (for the most part), but it will prevent sites from accessing cookies from a different domain. Also, MS may now have set its own cookie by this time, but it would at least stop it from getting further out of hand. Btw, blocking third party cookies may break sites such as Gmail and YT though as they swap domains around like they're going out of style. But, you can whitelist any that have issues that you want to use.

                          Jeremy Falcon

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                          • D dandy72

                            Ok. Riddle me this: Browsers on other systems within my LAN keep me on www.microsoft.com. Only one of them forwards me to www.microsoft.com/fr-ca. Yet all my systems, from MS's perspective, should originate from the same public IP. I'm not trying to be contradictory, I welcome the thoughts.

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                            It's probably a cookie. Go to browser's dev tools --> Application tab. You can see all cookies for the current web page. Can clear all or delete individual cookie if its obvious which holds the language setting

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                              It's probably a cookie. Go to browser's dev tools --> Application tab. You can see all cookies for the current web page. Can clear all or delete individual cookie if its obvious which holds the language setting

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                              dandy72
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                              Member 10662223 wrote:

                              browser's dev tools --> Application tab. You can see all cookies for the current web page

                              That's a *great* suggestion. Someone else pointed me yesterday to Edge's full cookie list, but even if I try to narrow it down to Microsoft, I still get many dozens, and I'd rather not just delete them all in bulk.

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                                dandy72 wrote:

                                I do NOT log into YouTube, so there's no language preference for me to set. I have no language set in my browser (Edge) other than the default US-English.

                                Browser tracking doesn't need to log in, and believe me... they tracking you.

                                dandy72 wrote:

                                And at some point starting this week, every time I go to www.microsoft.com, it explicitly sends me to www.microsoft.com/fr-ca/. Again, despite the fact that I have no other language set in my browser. Or the OS's Regional Settings page.

                                While yes, IPs can help Geo locate... I think peeps forgot to think about the fact you said this just started happening and it doesn't happen in a private window. Which means, it's not IP based. What it probably is, is MS being "smart" enough to read a third party cookie for something as popular as Google. You can always follow the redirects and sniff the HTTP traffic to help get a better idea of what's going on. If you're positive YT is the culprit (as in you never had French anything until that one video) then you can simply block third party cookies in your browser to stop it from propagating. This won't disable cookies so sites will still work (for the most part), but it will prevent sites from accessing cookies from a different domain. Also, MS may now have set its own cookie by this time, but it would at least stop it from getting further out of hand. Btw, blocking third party cookies may break sites such as Gmail and YT though as they swap domains around like they're going out of style. But, you can whitelist any that have issues that you want to use.

                                Jeremy Falcon

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                                dandy72
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                                Yeah as I have free time over the next few days I'll be cookie-hunting for the culprit.

                                Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                Btw, blocking third party cookies may break sites such as Gmail and YT though as they swap domains around like they're doing out of style. But, you can whitelist any that have issues that want to use.

                                I don't mind breaking any site whoring cookies around. :-) My Gmail address is only for junk email, and as long as YT shows videos - I don't care how broken it might be otherwise.

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                                • H honey the codewitch

                                  I'm having a hard time following everything on this thread so forgive me if this is way out in left field, but ip geolocation is available as a free service. ip-api.com is one example.

                                  Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                  honey the codewitch wrote:

                                  but ip geolocation is available as a free service. ip-api.com is one example.

                                  Taken from that very site. "Can I use your API on my commercial website? We do not allow commercial use of the free endpoint. Please see our pro service for SSL access, unlimited queries, usage statistics and commercial support."

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                                    honey the codewitch wrote:

                                    but ip geolocation is available as a free service. ip-api.com is one example.

                                    Taken from that very site. "Can I use your API on my commercial website? We do not allow commercial use of the free endpoint. Please see our pro service for SSL access, unlimited queries, usage statistics and commercial support."

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                                    honey the codewitch
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                                    Ah yeah. I forgot about that. I've only used it for hobby stuff.

                                    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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