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I decided not to vote this election, mainly due to despair at the Tories' failure to run a proper Conservative government. The alternatives are too awful to contemplate and we all know what is in store for us over the next five years. I doubt that my X will be missed.
A few states in the US are using ranked choice voting where you rank your first choice, second choice , … The two big parties are opposed as it would allow people to vote for a smaller party without throwing away their vote. If your first choice outlier candidate fails in the first pass, your vote moves to your second choice. The big drawback is that it would be harder to audit. 6 candidates yields 6! permutations. “Trust the election software”
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Isn't there an option called NOTA (None Of The Above) on the ballot paper? We have such an option in India. Once NOTA gets above a certain threshold percentage of the votes, then there will be re election (hopefully with a different set of candidates).
Amarnath S wrote:
an option called NOTA (None Of The Above) on the ballot paper? We have such an option in India.
A brilliant idea! If we implemented it in Israel, I suspect it would come first by a large margin!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Bit like the Mercan election, to choose between the decayed and the corrupt.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
Corruption is endemic in all politicians; some of them are insufficiently decayed. I suggest that we borrow a leaf from the American Democratic party and allow only the the dead to stand for election. The advantages are manifold: 1. No expenses for security 2. No action by the politicians (I'm of the opinion that anything they do is bad) 3. No corruption (other than that of the flesh) 4. No bloviating or filibusters
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Isn't there an option called NOTA (None Of The Above) on the ballot paper? We have such an option in India. Once NOTA gets above a certain threshold percentage of the votes, then there will be re election (hopefully with a different set of candidates).
In Norway (and I believe in several other countries), you can use a blank ballot with no names; that goes for the same, although it is less explicit. A 'blank vote' is a standard term in Norwegian, used in a lot of contexts other than elections. I believe English is similar - but of course, English may differ a lot from English. In Norway, we have a proportional voting system (as opposed to 'winner takes all'). If a party gets x% of the total number of votes, it gets x% of the seats. You picked a list from one party, with an ordered sequence of candidates: If x% of the seats comes to n representatives, the top n candidates on the list are awarded the seats. You have a chance to affect the ordering on the list: If you add a '+' to a candidate, he receives an extra point in the ordering. If lots of voters all double the same candidate, he might rise to a position among the n to be awarded a seat. In the old days, you could also cross out a candidate, reducing his points in the ordering of the list. For several elections, I voted for a party that was not my #1 favorite, but I wanted to use the party list where I had an option to cross out this one candidate. Today, you are not allowed to cross anyone out, but this one candidate is no longer among the party's candidates, so it doesn't really matter. Now I pick another party list when voting, since I no longer have an incentive to go for my second choice just to get a chance to cross out this fellow.
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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A few states in the US are using ranked choice voting where you rank your first choice, second choice , … The two big parties are opposed as it would allow people to vote for a smaller party without throwing away their vote. If your first choice outlier candidate fails in the first pass, your vote moves to your second choice. The big drawback is that it would be harder to audit. 6 candidates yields 6! permutations. “Trust the election software”
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Apathy is the main problem over here Richard - the current government's track record is beyond appalling , Liz Truss should be in the tower with Boris - oops just remembered the no politics in the lounge rule.
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
Apathy seems to be the main problem in the USA too. People are too busy with tik tok to worry about little things like the future of the country.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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A few states in the US are using ranked choice voting where you rank your first choice, second choice , … The two big parties are opposed as it would allow people to vote for a smaller party without throwing away their vote. If your first choice outlier candidate fails in the first pass, your vote moves to your second choice. The big drawback is that it would be harder to audit. 6 candidates yields 6! permutations. “Trust the election software”
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I decided not to vote this election, mainly due to despair at the Tories' failure to run a proper Conservative government. The alternatives are too awful to contemplate and we all know what is in store for us over the next five years. I doubt that my X will be missed.
I've heard that argument a lot, "I don't like the current government, but I like the alternatives even less!" Fact is, the party you'd like to like, but currently don't, isn't delivering, but the party you love to hate doesn't get a chance. So the current course obviously isn't working and the alternative may surprise you (if you'd give it a chance). By the way, it's like that everywhere. We've had our elections a few months ago and this week we finally got a new prime minister (after fourteen years!). People were fed up with the government and decided to vote something else. France did the same. Italy and Slovakia too, a while back. Mostly "eXtrEMe nAzI RiGht!!1" (if the media/left is to be believed). Whether they're left, right, nazi, populist, or all of the above, they all have two things in common: they're anti-immigration and EU-skeptic. It's almost as if the voter is trying to say something :rolleyes: And while politics are pretty bad everywhere (at least in Europe), America takes the cake. Man, that's bad! :laugh: (or maybe :(( is more appropriate, at this point I don't even know anymore).
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I've heard that argument a lot, "I don't like the current government, but I like the alternatives even less!" Fact is, the party you'd like to like, but currently don't, isn't delivering, but the party you love to hate doesn't get a chance. So the current course obviously isn't working and the alternative may surprise you (if you'd give it a chance). By the way, it's like that everywhere. We've had our elections a few months ago and this week we finally got a new prime minister (after fourteen years!). People were fed up with the government and decided to vote something else. France did the same. Italy and Slovakia too, a while back. Mostly "eXtrEMe nAzI RiGht!!1" (if the media/left is to be believed). Whether they're left, right, nazi, populist, or all of the above, they all have two things in common: they're anti-immigration and EU-skeptic. It's almost as if the voter is trying to say something :rolleyes: And while politics are pretty bad everywhere (at least in Europe), America takes the cake. Man, that's bad! :laugh: (or maybe :(( is more appropriate, at this point I don't even know anymore).
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You are right of course, but at my age I have seen most of the possible alternatives in this country. And the only one I liked was swept away by the "liberal" left after a few years. Interestingly, a so-called moderate has just been elected President of Iran. And France have their deciding vote tomorrow. As the old Chinese curse says, "may you live in interesting times". :-D
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You are right of course, but at my age I have seen most of the possible alternatives in this country. And the only one I liked was swept away by the "liberal" left after a few years. Interestingly, a so-called moderate has just been elected President of Iran. And France have their deciding vote tomorrow. As the old Chinese curse says, "may you live in interesting times". :-D
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
As the old Chinese curse says, "may you live in interesting times"
Interesting times indeed! :laugh:
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