Read This, Not That
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Not true and sometimes true. Most people are just under proficient for their role. Which is another word for incompetence. Some learn on the job to at least do their role and some move on. Also, gonna point out the irony dude... you're bitching about not bitching. Look inward. :laugh:
haughtonomous wrote:
and we all want to be promoted to as high up the ladder as we can get.
You're projecting. Not everyone wants that. A famous example being Woz.
Jeremy Falcon
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People are generally promoted until they reach their own level of incompetence. No point in bitching about this because it applies universally, including to oneself; and we all want to be promoted to as high up the ladder as we can get.
haughtonomous wrote:
People are generally promoted until they reach their own level of incompetence.
I thought that was part of the Dilbert Principle. I have the book. It's been years I've read it, but that's pretty much what I remember of it.
haughtonomous wrote:
and we all want to be promoted to as high up the ladder as we can get.
Broad sweeping statements such as this are absolutely and unequivocally untrue, and I don't even know how one might even make that suggestion. What motivates people is different amongst different people. Even before I started my career as a software developer, I knew the day I'd be promoted to any sort of management position would be the day I'd quit my job, changed fields or retired, no ifs or buts about it. That holds truer than ever as I'm getting closer and closer to retirement age.
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I never thought about being promoted, I stayed a firmware engineer my whole career (just love the low level stuff). If you gave me cool projects to work on I was happy.
I spent my whole career working hard to stay at the bottom of the corporate ladder.
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My favorite book on management is called "Fish!" and it is a must read for anyone who needs to manage people. It's primarily about fostering positive work culture where everyone feels like they are part of a team with a common goal - creating an environment where people want to show up and contribute.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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haughtonomous wrote:
People are generally promoted until they reach their own level of incompetence.
I thought that was part of the Dilbert Principle. I have the book. It's been years I've read it, but that's pretty much what I remember of it.
haughtonomous wrote:
and we all want to be promoted to as high up the ladder as we can get.
Broad sweeping statements such as this are absolutely and unequivocally untrue, and I don't even know how one might even make that suggestion. What motivates people is different amongst different people. Even before I started my career as a software developer, I knew the day I'd be promoted to any sort of management position would be the day I'd quit my job, changed fields or retired, no ifs or buts about it. That holds truer than ever as I'm getting closer and closer to retirement age.
It is actually the Peter principle:
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"Employees are promoted according to their current progress rather than the required skills and aptitude"
. Dr. Laurence Peter described it in his 1969 book "The Peter Principle: Why Things Always Go Wrong".The Peter Principle: Why Things Always Go Wrong. The principle has been summarized as "Employees rise to their level of incompetence" or "Once you learn your current job really well, we'll promote you to a job you will need to learn". He bemoans the fact that most employers do not provide the training needed to make the employee competent at the new job. Things have changed, though, since 1969. Most employers are now reluctant to provide training for any employee.
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People are generally promoted until they reach their own level of incompetence. No point in bitching about this because it applies universally, including to oneself; and we all want to be promoted to as high up the ladder as we can get.
haughtonomous wrote:
want to be promoted to as high up the ladder as we can get
Anyone with that attitude should be fired immediately.
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It is actually the Peter principle:
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"Employees are promoted according to their current progress rather than the required skills and aptitude"
. Dr. Laurence Peter described it in his 1969 book "The Peter Principle: Why Things Always Go Wrong".The Peter Principle: Why Things Always Go Wrong. The principle has been summarized as "Employees rise to their level of incompetence" or "Once you learn your current job really well, we'll promote you to a job you will need to learn". He bemoans the fact that most employers do not provide the training needed to make the employee competent at the new job. Things have changed, though, since 1969. Most employers are now reluctant to provide training for any employee.
Member 15049334 wrote:
reluctant to provide training for any employee.
Now they charge employees for training when they leave.
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It is actually the Peter principle:
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"Employees are promoted according to their current progress rather than the required skills and aptitude"
. Dr. Laurence Peter described it in his 1969 book "The Peter Principle: Why Things Always Go Wrong".The Peter Principle: Why Things Always Go Wrong. The principle has been summarized as "Employees rise to their level of incompetence" or "Once you learn your current job really well, we'll promote you to a job you will need to learn". He bemoans the fact that most employers do not provide the training needed to make the employee competent at the new job. Things have changed, though, since 1969. Most employers are now reluctant to provide training for any employee.
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So you're that guy? You make up stuff I never said to reply against? I never said otherwise dude.
Jeremy Falcon
I didn't say you did. I was making an observation, that's all. Maybe you need to consider that opinions that differ from yours are just as valid?
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I didn't say you did. I was making an observation, that's all. Maybe you need to consider that opinions that differ from yours are just as valid?
Maybe you need to learn how to interact with humans.
Jeremy Falcon
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Maybe you need to learn how to interact with humans.
Jeremy Falcon
I think you should take your own advice. You seem to be remarkably intolerant of anyone not conforming to your world view.
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I think you should take your own advice. You seem to be remarkably intolerant of anyone not conforming to your world view.
Or maybe you're just argumentative and immature with not enough insight to reflect. Either way, you're wasting my time dude. I don't expect much from this conversation.
Jeremy Falcon
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I think you should take your own advice. You seem to be remarkably intolerant of anyone not conforming to your world view.
Oh and since you're gonna feel all powerful and crap, hiding behind the fake veil of the Internet with your little anonymity, we both know you ain't gonna stop. So, you can have your whatever the hell this is. I'm going back to the adults now.
Jeremy Falcon