The future of CodeProject
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? As an "oldtimer", I must say, my first thought is conservation. Making sure CP doesn't go down the drain. We've all seen great sites and other new-technology-thingies diminish into commercial crap or nonexistance, and sadly, I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. Community Feeling not swept away, the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable (the latter becoming more difficult). You young paulish whippersnappers might need to sooth my philodrainophobia a bit when I get to intense Besides that? Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community - not just the "we are the tools" of SourceForge, but something with a distinct Windows and CodProject stint.
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen -
What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? As an "oldtimer", I must say, my first thought is conservation. Making sure CP doesn't go down the drain. We've all seen great sites and other new-technology-thingies diminish into commercial crap or nonexistance, and sadly, I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. Community Feeling not swept away, the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable (the latter becoming more difficult). You young paulish whippersnappers might need to sooth my philodrainophobia a bit when I get to intense Besides that? Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community - not just the "we are the tools" of SourceForge, but something with a distinct Windows and CodProject stint.
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link I guess auto-linking would solve the pita. peterchen wrote: Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community If the project is to promote the use of MS software, why not use gotdotnet workspaces instead?
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What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? As an "oldtimer", I must say, my first thought is conservation. Making sure CP doesn't go down the drain. We've all seen great sites and other new-technology-thingies diminish into commercial crap or nonexistance, and sadly, I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. Community Feeling not swept away, the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable (the latter becoming more difficult). You young paulish whippersnappers might need to sooth my philodrainophobia a bit when I get to intense Besides that? Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community - not just the "we are the tools" of SourceForge, but something with a distinct Windows and CodProject stint.
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. You two-timing hussy!
"Póg mo thóin!"
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
I checked my profile today and it has been three years almost to the day since the current member/profile system went up, and I can't even tell you when it was before then that I actually started visiting here, let alone when I signed up. In that time I am certain the change has been significant, yet I can't actually rememeber a time when it has been any different. In five years time, apart from being able to dictate messages to be posted in the Lounge via a wireless microphone installed in my cheek and viewing the results directly on my retina, I can't see any major changes occuring (nor needing to). CodeProject simply evolves along with it's members for the industry it deals with. Today it is Codeproject Projects, tomorrow it may be anything.
David Wulff
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What I'd like to see? Besides the "when clicking link [^] in the editor, select the innerHTML, not the entire link" feature? As an "oldtimer", I must say, my first thought is conservation. Making sure CP doesn't go down the drain. We've all seen great sites and other new-technology-thingies diminish into commercial crap or nonexistance, and sadly, I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. Community Feeling not swept away, the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable (the latter becoming more difficult). You young paulish whippersnappers might need to sooth my philodrainophobia a bit when I get to intense Besides that? Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community - not just the "we are the tools" of SourceForge, but something with a distinct Windows and CodProject stint.
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: Making sure CP doesn't go down the drain. We've all seen great sites and other new-technology-thingies diminish into commercial crap or nonexistance, and sadly, I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. I totally agree with you on that. I also became "emotionallt attached" with sites that went down the drain. I hope this does not happen here. And I do think members of CodeProject have a huge role to play in avoiding that. peterchen wrote: the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable Has I have said before, the ratio of articles to members is less than 1% and I would like to see it increase. Once again, CPians have a huge responsability in making that happen (and making sure quality does not drop). peterchen wrote: Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community - not just the "we are the tools" of SourceForge, but something with a distinct Windows and CodeProject stint. Here I disagree with you. Yes, CodeProject might evolve into something like that. But I think CodeProject's edge over other sites is its pedagogical view, the way it mixes quality content with peer support and rating. A fully functionall online project development section would be great for this site, but making it strictly a SourceForge clone with be a shame.
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
The most significant threat to the future of CP is IMHO the site being taken over by MS via sponsoring and things like that. Remember what happened to CG? It takes little to notice that CP is a primary technology observatory for corporations, MS ranking first among these. Call it paranoia, but I strongly suspect MS knows promoting interest in say C# among CP regulars will catalyze adoption of this language by the entire developers community. Balancing independence and the unavoidable need for financial aid is a subtle art, which I'm sure Chris practices with extreme wisdom. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
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I checked my profile today and it has been three years almost to the day since the current member/profile system went up, and I can't even tell you when it was before then that I actually started visiting here, let alone when I signed up. In that time I am certain the change has been significant, yet I can't actually rememeber a time when it has been any different. In five years time, apart from being able to dictate messages to be posted in the Lounge via a wireless microphone installed in my cheek and viewing the results directly on my retina, I can't see any major changes occuring (nor needing to). CodeProject simply evolves along with it's members for the industry it deals with. Today it is Codeproject Projects, tomorrow it may be anything.
David Wulff
Build: 1 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped
David Wulff wrote: apart from being able to dictate messages to be posted in the Lounge via a wireless microphone installed in my cheek and viewing the results directly on my retina Hmmmm, I like that idea. :-D -Nick Parker
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peterchen wrote: Making sure CP doesn't go down the drain. We've all seen great sites and other new-technology-thingies diminish into commercial crap or nonexistance, and sadly, I've been "emotionally attached" to a few the same way I'm attached to CP. I totally agree with you on that. I also became "emotionallt attached" with sites that went down the drain. I hope this does not happen here. And I do think members of CodeProject have a huge role to play in avoiding that. peterchen wrote: the ever-increasing number of articles remaining valuable and findable Has I have said before, the ratio of articles to members is less than 1% and I would like to see it increase. Once again, CPians have a huge responsability in making that happen (and making sure quality does not drop). peterchen wrote: Maybe the Codeproject Projects evolves into a true online project development community - not just the "we are the tools" of SourceForge, but something with a distinct Windows and CodeProject stint. Here I disagree with you. Yes, CodeProject might evolve into something like that. But I think CodeProject's edge over other sites is its pedagogical view, the way it mixes quality content with peer support and rating. A fully functionall online project development section would be great for this site, but making it strictly a SourceForge clone with be a shame.
apferreira wrote: the ratio of articles to members is less than 1% and I would like to see it increase I see keeping up quality more important than participation. But perhaps, besides weeding out the bad ones, we need some "article writer schooling" for those that are eager to submit an article. Very informal at first, showing newbies an attitude to help them write good articles. This is already much better than at other sites, but still way to improve ;) Of course there are technical posisbilities, like a series of articles (Marc wrote an excellent one, but IMHO his writing style is a bit to elaborate for thius purpose). Or an "pre-submit-feedback" forum, together with an "waiting for authors authorization" flag, so it doesn't appear on the "public lists", but the author can link to the preview for suggestions and reviewing. Maybe even a restriction for the first 1..3 articles submitted (they msut be "reviewed", we can have a below-editor-reviewer rank here, or just anyone who submitted N articles with acceptable rating) apferreira wrote: but making it strictly a SourceForge clone with be a shame. absolutely. But I think the local atmosphere can add somethng special here. The fact that many coders-for-food hang around here should allwo to factor in a good amount of professional project management experience (the number of articles discussing design and Project Management has increased lately, a good sign)
"Der Geist des Kriegers ist erwacht / Ich hab die Macht" StS
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygen -
I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
There is one thing that I hope CP will have in the future. It is a system where people can work for some hours solving other CP members problems and then get credits in form of points that can be used as a currency. jhaga --------------------------------- I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau, Walden, Conclusion, 1854
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The most significant threat to the future of CP is IMHO the site being taken over by MS via sponsoring and things like that. Remember what happened to CG? It takes little to notice that CP is a primary technology observatory for corporations, MS ranking first among these. Call it paranoia, but I strongly suspect MS knows promoting interest in say C# among CP regulars will catalyze adoption of this language by the entire developers community. Balancing independence and the unavoidable need for financial aid is a subtle art, which I'm sure Chris practices with extreme wisdom. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
Joaquín M López Muñoz wrote: Remember what happened to CG? No, what? BTW where is he, he is barely on CP anymore? -Nick Parker
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There is one thing that I hope CP will have in the future. It is a system where people can work for some hours solving other CP members problems and then get credits in form of points that can be used as a currency. jhaga --------------------------------- I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau, Walden, Conclusion, 1854
Check out TechRepublic[^] for such a system. There is a programming board in the Technical Questions section, but it gets very little attention. One problem I've discovered with it is that people tend to answer questions that have high point values, and the average valued items get ignored. This makes it really tough on newbies who haven't accumulated high point balances and can't afford to post high valued questions. I've noted, too, that the quality of answers has diminished greatly in the past few years, which leads me to believe that a lot of the really sharp contributors may have already moved on. I'd hate to see the same happen here.:(
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus Long -
Joaquín M López Muñoz wrote: Remember what happened to CG? No, what? BTW where is he, he is barely on CP anymore? -Nick Parker
:) Sorry, I was referring to CodeGuru. As for Christian Grauss, I guess he's still around, though possibly less so that in the past. He recently wrote some nice contributions to Windevnet.com, maybe this kind of stuff is taking his time. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
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Check out TechRepublic[^] for such a system. There is a programming board in the Technical Questions section, but it gets very little attention. One problem I've discovered with it is that people tend to answer questions that have high point values, and the average valued items get ignored. This makes it really tough on newbies who haven't accumulated high point balances and can't afford to post high valued questions. I've noted, too, that the quality of answers has diminished greatly in the past few years, which leads me to believe that a lot of the really sharp contributors may have already moved on. I'd hate to see the same happen here.:(
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongWhat annoys me is the lack of appreciation folks get that help out on the message boards. It is amazing what a difference a simple thank you makes. From time to time I get quite put out by this and back off from helping people. Rant over. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. Free Trial at www.getsoft.com
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I personally love this site and would like to see it grow even more. The community that developed around it is great. CodeProject already has a respectable number of members 472995, although not all participate actively and some are just one time stoppers. The ratio of articles to members is less than one percent. Although some of the articles are questionable, I think a large number of them are medium to high quality articles. Also,I think I speak for all when I say that CodeProject has been a great help in improving our skills and learning new things. But as with all things, there is allways room for improvement. How can CodeProject grow both in quality and in numbers? How do you imagine Codeproject 5 years from now? What is our role, as members of this community, in the growth of CodeProject?
Before people had to join to download stuff, the membership was 20% of what it is now. The numbers are now inflated by people who came once to download something and never came back. The growth in numbers has created a growth in the number of really bad articles, although there are still excellent articles written, as there always have been. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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There is one thing that I hope CP will have in the future. It is a system where people can work for some hours solving other CP members problems and then get credits in form of points that can be used as a currency. jhaga --------------------------------- I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau, Walden, Conclusion, 1854
jhaga wrote: There is one thing that I hope CP will have in the future. It is a system where people can work for some hours solving other CP members problems and then get credits in form of points that can be used as a currency. I could be way off base here but I think that this suggestion would begin the decline of CP as being such a great site. Right now you can post a question and people, good people, decent people will help you solve your problems (they will possibly have a little fun with you and eat you alive for using <> instead of !=) :-D and be happy to just do it. If CP starts offering points for solving peoples problems all the wrong crowd might possibly appear here like STINK ON _ _ _ _. It does not take a genius to figure out who the active helpers are in each forum. I think it would be more appropriate to RANDOMLY reward those who actively help and make a positive contribution to that end. You never know at all when your time will come but when it comes you can enjoy whatever it is that CP sends your way. I also think that Chris is very aware of the dangers that come from sponsorship and that he has sponsor relationships well in control. There are many of you who would see the trouble coming before it ever got here and I trust you might let other people know your thoughts quite quickly. Chris is the creator/founder but if he morphs this place into something people don't like I think they will 'let him have it' for doing so. CP has a natural rythym. It has it's own pulse. We have a great mix of people here, all of whom want to be here. We have are very own trollslayer and a good crew of clickety police. This place is growing slowly and it will gradually expand to include a lot of other cool stuff. Let's not force it. Let's see where it goes and enjoy the ride. Right now CP is mellow and nice and that's ok. Quite frankly I am not missing anything when I come here. This place has what I need and if I have an itch for something particular Google will hook me up with a few clicks.
"Back to school, back to school; to prove to dad I'm not a fool." - Billy Madison (Adam Sandler) Rex Winn
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Check out TechRepublic[^] for such a system. There is a programming board in the Technical Questions section, but it gets very little attention. One problem I've discovered with it is that people tend to answer questions that have high point values, and the average valued items get ignored. This makes it really tough on newbies who haven't accumulated high point balances and can't afford to post high valued questions. I've noted, too, that the quality of answers has diminished greatly in the past few years, which leads me to believe that a lot of the really sharp contributors may have already moved on. I'd hate to see the same happen here.:(
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongAnswering a question should not give any points but if an answer includes alot of coding then some system that would motivate people would be good. As the system is now, anybody that wants to do alot of programming can join a CPP project, and people with just a little time can give an answer in some of the message boards. But we don't have anything that would be somewhere between these two, something that would cover some hours or days of work. jhaga --------------------------------- I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau, Walden, Conclusion, 1854
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:) Sorry, I was referring to CodeGuru. As for Christian Grauss, I guess he's still around, though possibly less so that in the past. He recently wrote some nice contributions to Windevnet.com, maybe this kind of stuff is taking his time. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
*grin* When I first read your post above, I thought the same, then worked out you meant Code Guru. When I saw your comment about windevnet, I wondered what you meant - of course it was my last round of articles for WDJ. I'm still waiting for my Dr. Dobbs articles to surface, but I'm not holding my breath any longer. The truth is that life is just so busy for me now. We've just bought 5 acres ( 2 hectares ) of land, and we're in the process of moving, and then we'll be in the process of turning 5 acres of grass into a minifarm ( fruit trees, vegetable garden, chickens, I'm hoping a cow ). I also spent the last six months programming for Palm, and while I wrote a few articles, in the end I just sort of drifted away from CP because I was in another sphere. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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The most significant threat to the future of CP is IMHO the site being taken over by MS via sponsoring and things like that. Remember what happened to CG? It takes little to notice that CP is a primary technology observatory for corporations, MS ranking first among these. Call it paranoia, but I strongly suspect MS knows promoting interest in say C# among CP regulars will catalyze adoption of this language by the entire developers community. Balancing independence and the unavoidable need for financial aid is a subtle art, which I'm sure Chris practices with extreme wisdom. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
Interesting point. I sincerely hope that independence, not only from MS but also from other companies, can be maintained. I agree that some CP regulars are strong opinion makers in the community. That can be a good thing, as long as an unbiased an plural culture can be maintained at CodeProject.
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Answering a question should not give any points but if an answer includes alot of coding then some system that would motivate people would be good. As the system is now, anybody that wants to do alot of programming can join a CPP project, and people with just a little time can give an answer in some of the message boards. But we don't have anything that would be somewhere between these two, something that would cover some hours or days of work. jhaga --------------------------------- I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau, Walden, Conclusion, 1854
The point/currency system would be the begining of the end of CodeProject. It would atract the wrong people and it would polute the forums with low quality answers from those eager to get points. It would also raise the barrier for those newbies with few points.