Do you trust the "Cloud"?
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In view of the catastrophic global IT mess: Do you still trust the cloud? I never have and never will.:mad: Yes, I do save some non critical data there, but is is fully backed up in local storage. I will never get in a position where cloud failures can harm me.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
First, let me repeat a mantra I’ve heard many years ago: “there is no frigging cloud; it’s someone’s else computer”. Second, from the superficial reading of news (I’m traveling now), the recent outage was not an issue with the “cloud” but with an antivirus update that went south. It affected equally physical and virtual machines, so let’s not get all worked up about the big bad “cloud”.
Mircea
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I totally get what you're saying, but some people really can't be trusted with their own data. The ones who don't think there's anything wrong with "password1", that is.
the point here is that they own that. It's their data, and if they lose it, well that's on them. Idiots have pushed so much out to the cloud - some near mission critical and possibly more. Remember, it was microsoft setting up azure servers with databases and the process did not include setting permissions or changing the default password. Have you heard the story about McDonald's not changing the bluetooth passwords on their ordering machines and menus?
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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It was former Swiss law that the principals of a bank were liable, to the full extent of their personal wealth, for making depositors whole if the bank got into trouble. That law needs to return. So does the US Coin Act of 1793, under which the penalty for debauching the currency was death.
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First, let me repeat a mantra I’ve heard many years ago: “there is no frigging cloud; it’s someone’s else computer”. Second, from the superficial reading of news (I’m traveling now), the recent outage was not an issue with the “cloud” but with an antivirus update that went south. It affected equally physical and virtual machines, so let’s not get all worked up about the big bad “cloud”.
Mircea
you are very generous. I hope you aren't on an airplane. "It affected equally physical and virtual machines" Are you serious? Don't get worked up about "the big bad cloud." I don't know much about azure (other than it's just another more modern system of spinning up a virtual server). Can someone tell me if the core Azure server is running Cloudstink? Ponder that.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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you are very generous. I hope you aren't on an airplane. "It affected equally physical and virtual machines" Are you serious? Don't get worked up about "the big bad cloud." I don't know much about azure (other than it's just another more modern system of spinning up a virtual server). Can someone tell me if the core Azure server is running Cloudstink? Ponder that.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Let me assure you that no plane will fall out of the sky due to this bug. Some may not takeoff because passengers couldn’t check in but I’m not due to fly for a week or so. :-D
Mircea
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Let me assure you that no plane will fall out of the sky due to this bug. Some may not takeoff because passengers couldn’t check in but I’m not due to fly for a week or so. :-D
Mircea
I'm certain they won't fall out of the sky, but here in the United States the FAA was having issues communicating with a/c in the air due to this issue. It boggles my mind. Of course, these days, the level of information from journalists is borderline cow dung but... I would not put it past our federal government to have put something like this in place. I have experience in this area...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I'm certain they won't fall out of the sky, but here in the United States the FAA was having issues communicating with a/c in the air due to this issue. It boggles my mind. Of course, these days, the level of information from journalists is borderline cow dung but... I would not put it past our federal government to have put something like this in place. I have experience in this area...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
With the caveat that my information is sketchy, it seems airlines (in particular UA) had difficulty communicating with ATC to pass information like flight plans and such. To the best of my knowledge, communication with a/c in flight is still handled or backed up by good old VHF. There is still plenty of sunshine in this world despite the “big bad cloud” :laugh:
Mircea
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With the caveat that my information is sketchy, it seems airlines (in particular UA) had difficulty communicating with ATC to pass information like flight plans and such. To the best of my knowledge, communication with a/c in flight is still handled or backed up by good old VHF. There is still plenty of sunshine in this world despite the “big bad cloud” :laugh:
Mircea
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Cp-Coder wrote:
I will never get in a position where cloud failures can harm me.
If you have any amount of money in a bank, I'm afraid I have bad news for ya...
You think the bank can hurt me? Think again! Yes I have a few bucks in CDs, but they hold a mortgage on my house. They lose my money - I stop repaying the mortgage. You think they can sue me? There will be millions of other customers in the same boat! See you in court in 50 years suckers! :laugh:
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
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Cp-Coder wrote:
In view of the catastrophic global IT mess: Do you still trust the cloud?
I trust the technology, but I don't trust Google, Apple, etc. to not be politically biased or sneaky. So, yes and no. For instance, there have been reports that Apple keeps your photos even after you delete them. Google does the same with Gmail, btw. Tech companies have shown their true colors and it's pretty disgusting if you ask me. As far as the tech side, there's nothing wrong with it. Outages suck, but as long as they don't lose your data it's no big deal. If it's sensitive then encrypt it so a data breach won't matter. People act like an outage is a huge deal, but a house fire could wipe you out too. So, do both if you're really that worried.
Jeremy Falcon
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I totally get what you're saying, but some people really can't be trusted with their own data. The ones who don't think there's anything wrong with "password1", that is.
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It does the soul good to see you guys talk about how crooked banking is. 1,000% agree btw... Fractional reserve lending is the bane of our economies.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
how crooked banking is. 1,000% agree
I remember a discussion between me and one of my workers over two decades back. When he was looking at his investment returns, and compared with his bank's yearly profits, he went to his bank manager and said "I want to invest in what you're investing in"...
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In view of the catastrophic global IT mess: Do you still trust the cloud? I never have and never will.:mad: Yes, I do save some non critical data there, but is is fully backed up in local storage. I will never get in a position where cloud failures can harm me.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
Nope. I have my own darn "cloud" in the form of a 2008 r2 server in the garage with gobs of imaged storage. And I barely trust that! I'm grateful that I can do this for my household in this OneDrive :doh: and whatever that Apple one is world. Two things that poke the Ron bear, backup and the cloud. Now they are synonymous which is a travesty. Normals at happy hour.... "We're on the cloud are yoooo?. Oh and it's got AI! Dilly Dilly!" :thumbsup:
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yeah, did not make myself clear there. Cloudstrike is far more vulnerable. but this going to end up costing both billions. Companies are just not putting up with this stuff. Experian settled out of court A LOT. It's the downside of collecting data in those cases.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
Companies are just not putting up with this stuff
I think they do. No matter how big the disaster, things aren't changing. Why fine the responsible companies when said fine simply gets filed as an operating expense? You wanna get serious about it, threaten jail time for the execs--those who sign off on things--and I think you'll suddenly see the needle move. One can only dream...
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the point here is that they own that. It's their data, and if they lose it, well that's on them. Idiots have pushed so much out to the cloud - some near mission critical and possibly more. Remember, it was microsoft setting up azure servers with databases and the process did not include setting permissions or changing the default password. Have you heard the story about McDonald's not changing the bluetooth passwords on their ordering machines and menus?
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Yes but it's their data we are not their mothers
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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charlieg wrote:
Companies are just not putting up with this stuff
I think they do. No matter how big the disaster, things aren't changing. Why fine the responsible companies when said fine simply gets filed as an operating expense? You wanna get serious about it, threaten jail time for the execs--those who sign off on things--and I think you'll suddenly see the needle move. One can only dream...
not fine, sue. About 10 years ago, somebody got hacked - Target for sure, but toss in Experion, etc. Home Depot, Lowes and a lot of banks went after them for damages.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote:
Have you heard the story about McDonald's not changing the bluetooth passwords on their ordering machines and menus?
I can't say that I have, but already it sounds fun...
yeah, teens found about it, mayhem :) There is also the story of a professor doing a security project. We wondered about ATMs. Doing a quick google, he came across the operating manuals of several ATM makers that dominated the market. In the manual was the default maintenance password. Out he went, followed instructions, and he was in maintenance mode for 10 of 10 test atms. Reading further, he redefined the value of each bin of bills to $1. Whereupon he withdrew "$500" dollars - in 20s. He took the 10k into the branch and asked to see the manager.... About 2 days later, you could not find the manual online unless you knew where to look.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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In view of the catastrophic global IT mess: Do you still trust the cloud? I never have and never will.:mad: Yes, I do save some non critical data there, but is is fully backed up in local storage. I will never get in a position where cloud failures can harm me.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
I'm not sure how the outage/mess is related to the cloud other than the product name rhymes with cloud. :laugh: That said, I also use 'someone else's servers' in my backup strategy...encrypted of course. I still occasionally get tricked into saving Office files in OneDrive. X| Passing thought regarding the outage...last week there was a discussion about the awesomeness of PowerShell and managing enterprise systems. So why can't they write a script to rollback the update and reboot, then deploy it? :confused: Last thought...I'd hate to be on the QA team(s) that approved that update. Judas Priest - Some Heads Are Gonna Roll (Official Audio) - YouTube[^]
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yeah, teens found about it, mayhem :) There is also the story of a professor doing a security project. We wondered about ATMs. Doing a quick google, he came across the operating manuals of several ATM makers that dominated the market. In the manual was the default maintenance password. Out he went, followed instructions, and he was in maintenance mode for 10 of 10 test atms. Reading further, he redefined the value of each bin of bills to $1. Whereupon he withdrew "$500" dollars - in 20s. He took the 10k into the branch and asked to see the manager.... About 2 days later, you could not find the manual online unless you knew where to look.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
About 2 days later, you could not find the manual online unless you knew where to look.
And probably they thought it was enough done to fix it.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
