EDIT "Understand" tool - give opinions and or alternative, PLEASE
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"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
Yes I saw that. Not sure what went wrong. I've been unable to remedy it as yet.
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Understand: The Software Developer's Multi-Tool[^] Is this what you meant?
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Understand: The Software Developer's Multi-Tool[^] Is this what you meant?
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
It is indeed.
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As the title eludes, I am NOT asking programming question, I like an evaluation / opinion of the tool and or suggestion for alternative. ( My on the fly, uncalled for "update " of ...expletive deleted ... web browser locked-up after opening 26 (!) windows on boot, so I did not finish download of " Understand" ) Cheers EDIT Got it loaded only to find out it requires additional resources for Ubuntu... Asking Mrs Google for alternative...
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[coherent definition - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=coherent+definition) Or as you would say... [NOT WHAT UM THING?](https://www.google.com/search?q=coherent+definition)
Jeremy Falcon
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As the title eludes, I am NOT asking programming question, I like an evaluation / opinion of the tool and or suggestion for alternative. ( My on the fly, uncalled for "update " of ...expletive deleted ... web browser locked-up after opening 26 (!) windows on boot, so I did not finish download of " Understand" ) Cheers EDIT Got it loaded only to find out it requires additional resources for Ubuntu... Asking Mrs Google for alternative...
We have it at work but I don't use it at all. We develop on microcontrollers so we need to use the appropriate suites for compiling, managing the targets and debugging (uVision, STM...) and my coworkers use Understand to have a decent code editor. I have a lot more experience with VS + VisualAssist though so I use those, it really looks like the functionalities are the same for a lower price point.
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As the title eludes, I am NOT asking programming question, I like an evaluation / opinion of the tool and or suggestion for alternative. ( My on the fly, uncalled for "update " of ...expletive deleted ... web browser locked-up after opening 26 (!) windows on boot, so I did not finish download of " Understand" ) Cheers EDIT Got it loaded only to find out it requires additional resources for Ubuntu... Asking Mrs Google for alternative...
I *had* used this tool for years. I came across it when I was trying to comprehend a rather large base of FORTRAN. It was the *only* tool that actually understood FORTRAN. So, I plopped my $400 down for a PERPETUAL license. Mind you, I am a single/dual person development company, so I have to spend my money wisely. It does an excellent job, has good support, and the butterfly reports are amazing. Then it went evil. If I wanted to continue to use it, it was $xxx/year for "support." Then it went utter evil - something like $2k/year for an annual subscription. If you have deep pockets, it's a good tool. I told them to pound sand. Two keys for me: 1) if you sell me a license to use your software, don't elephant with me for more and more money. 2) There are cheaper alternatives out there (some may be free) if you are working with C or C++. After thought: had I been thinking long term, I would have generated all of the reports and butterfly diagrams ahead of time. My bad.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Pricing | Understand by Scitools[^] "We Like to Sell the Way We Wish We Could Buy" ,,, (But first We've got to figure out who We are):thumbsdown:
see my other message, but I completely agree with you. If a company hides their prices behind an email or phone wall, there's your sign. It's a decent tool, but way, way, way too expensive for a code editor. Once you understand the code base you inherited, it's largely a convenience and cannot justify the rental cost.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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see my other message, but I completely agree with you. If a company hides their prices behind an email or phone wall, there's your sign. It's a decent tool, but way, way, way too expensive for a code editor. Once you understand the code base you inherited, it's largely a convenience and cannot justify the rental cost.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
If a company hides their prices behind an email or phone wall, there's your sign.
A salesguy I used to work with operated that way. When a potential customer called up to inquire about the price of the software we were selling, he would respond by asking "what's your budget"...
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I *had* used this tool for years. I came across it when I was trying to comprehend a rather large base of FORTRAN. It was the *only* tool that actually understood FORTRAN. So, I plopped my $400 down for a PERPETUAL license. Mind you, I am a single/dual person development company, so I have to spend my money wisely. It does an excellent job, has good support, and the butterfly reports are amazing. Then it went evil. If I wanted to continue to use it, it was $xxx/year for "support." Then it went utter evil - something like $2k/year for an annual subscription. If you have deep pockets, it's a good tool. I told them to pound sand. Two keys for me: 1) if you sell me a license to use your software, don't elephant with me for more and more money. 2) There are cheaper alternatives out there (some may be free) if you are working with C or C++. After thought: had I been thinking long term, I would have generated all of the reports and butterfly diagrams ahead of time. My bad.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
A similar story here but with the hardware end of the software/computer tale. As you say "plopped" down exactly $3999.99 for a perpetual license and skinned my knuckles for easily ten years coming up to speed with the interface. And what an interface it was/is; more than any user could ever master kind-of-thing PERIOD. Come time for perpetual license idea scrapped by the company, ackompanying the idiomatic $4000.00/year subscription, subscribing to a new-fangled interface also chocked with more features on top of the last more features (this company has always been an industry big name and has been in the game since software and personal computers were born) ... became a non-sequiter but I had my 64-bit version, even though it ran slow on 16GB of memory. Gungho still and undetered from no more updates/upgrades, computer evolution goes on, etc. Come limitless amount of memory on a new computer (~ year 15) and reinstallation of the application and 6 months of dicking around without thee driver selectively excluded by me upon start up in order to get the thing to show me the interface (without the ability to "color" anything ) ... I was ready to toss in the towel. Now for the hardware part: one day ... as I was waltzing down dingly dell way (tromping through my BIOS with size 14 Sorels on snowshoes and only an umbrella in lieu of a 70lb pack, perhaps because I'd danced through here before and knew better, perhaps not) ... I happened upon the CPU Core Count/Hyperthread limiting ticker. For some reason I spun down the core count to 11 from 32 (approximation; because I don't dick with it anymore since I "fixed" it ... and to make this story less long-winded). Waking back up after a repower on ... I was only looking to see if my box had altered any behaviors, right? And I don't remember why I would have dumped that driver which caused the interface to the app to crash upon load back into the active load folder but I did ... and the app didn't crash! And I now had "color" and could use the full $3999.99 perpetual licensed ball-of-wax. Once in a while the interface crashes and even though it's over twenty years old the app still messages me that I can send the crash dump to the developers now. And there's even the comment box that the devs will read; the one where I tell them ... what I really think of this whole subscription idea.
