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  • P Peter_in_2780

    What's so special about Sunday?

    Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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    charlieg
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    It's today. :) Nothing special... I'll fix that.

    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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      It's today. :) Nothing special... I'll fix that.

      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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      Peter_in_2780
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      I meant that all days of the week are equally good for a rant.

      Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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      • P Peter_in_2780

        I meant that all days of the week are equally good for a rant.

        Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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        PIEBALDconsult
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        Harder to find an available pulpit on a Sunday though.

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          I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy. So, Microsoft rolls out OS and application updates constantly, and sometime in the past (and I know it's been a while) they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive. They clearly did not think this through, or maybe they did and it's anal retentive. What software company changes user defaults? Let me re-phrase, what competent software company does this? I get MS wants us to use the cloud so that everything is backed up, but I now have documentation in assorted locations, and I need to figure out the most current. It does not help I'm picking this up after 2 months of downtime. This is up there with the automatic reboots. I swear, I'll punch these people if I ever meet them.

          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          Android is doing something similar. Making it harder and harder to save files locally.

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          • C charlieg

            I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy. So, Microsoft rolls out OS and application updates constantly, and sometime in the past (and I know it's been a while) they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive. They clearly did not think this through, or maybe they did and it's anal retentive. What software company changes user defaults? Let me re-phrase, what competent software company does this? I get MS wants us to use the cloud so that everything is backed up, but I now have documentation in assorted locations, and I need to figure out the most current. It does not help I'm picking this up after 2 months of downtime. This is up there with the automatic reboots. I swear, I'll punch these people if I ever meet them.

            Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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            Jeremy Falcon
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            charlieg wrote:

            I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy.

            Ha ha ha. Tell us how you really feel Charlie. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

            Jeremy Falcon

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              I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy. So, Microsoft rolls out OS and application updates constantly, and sometime in the past (and I know it's been a while) they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive. They clearly did not think this through, or maybe they did and it's anal retentive. What software company changes user defaults? Let me re-phrase, what competent software company does this? I get MS wants us to use the cloud so that everything is backed up, but I now have documentation in assorted locations, and I need to figure out the most current. It does not help I'm picking this up after 2 months of downtime. This is up there with the automatic reboots. I swear, I'll punch these people if I ever meet them.

              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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              charlieg wrote:

              I don't know what dumbass made this decision

              charlieg wrote:

              what competent software company does this?

              It's not dumbness or incompetence, it's the fact that they want possession of your documents, so that they can scan them with their AI and build a profile of you. Check out the latest Terms of Service from MS, and you'll see that it grants them a license to use your documents however they want to.

              The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                charlieg wrote:

                I don't know what dumbass made this decision

                charlieg wrote:

                what competent software company does this?

                It's not dumbness or incompetence, it's the fact that they want possession of your documents, so that they can scan them with their AI and build a profile of you. Check out the latest Terms of Service from MS, and you'll see that it grants them a license to use your documents however they want to.

                The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                charlieg
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                sigh, I sort of knew this, but I really wanted to stay in la la land. I would support federal legislation outlawing these sorts of agreements. I recently learned that many new car dealers are installing trackers on vehicles, even if you pay cash. Ford has a patent on reporting driving habits to the government. I miss my 2002 Maxima and my 1996 4-Runner.

                Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                  I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy. So, Microsoft rolls out OS and application updates constantly, and sometime in the past (and I know it's been a while) they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive. They clearly did not think this through, or maybe they did and it's anal retentive. What software company changes user defaults? Let me re-phrase, what competent software company does this? I get MS wants us to use the cloud so that everything is backed up, but I now have documentation in assorted locations, and I need to figure out the most current. It does not help I'm picking this up after 2 months of downtime. This is up there with the automatic reboots. I swear, I'll punch these people if I ever meet them.

                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                  The default save location is "Documents". If you use OneDrive's "backup" feature this means Documents will be on OneDrive. Go into Word's Options and check the box "Save on local computer". It's in the Save area of options. You'll probably also have to do this with Excel and PowerPoint as well.

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                    The default save location is "Documents". If you use OneDrive's "backup" feature this means Documents will be on OneDrive. Go into Word's Options and check the box "Save on local computer". It's in the Save area of options. You'll probably also have to do this with Excel and PowerPoint as well.

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                    charlieg
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                    This is not true, or maybe I have a different version. The default location USED to be documents, but Microsoft now pushes you to the cloud. You have to watch for it.

                    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                      sigh, I sort of knew this, but I really wanted to stay in la la land. I would support federal legislation outlawing these sorts of agreements. I recently learned that many new car dealers are installing trackers on vehicles, even if you pay cash. Ford has a patent on reporting driving habits to the government. I miss my 2002 Maxima and my 1996 4-Runner.

                      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                      Jorgen Andersson
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                      They're tracking everything that happens in the car nowadays, and they have a good reason for that. [The Audi 5000 Unintended Acceleration Debacle - Blowing Smoke - Curbside Classic](https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/history/the-audi-500-unintended-acceleration-debacle/)

                      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                      • C charlieg

                        I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy. So, Microsoft rolls out OS and application updates constantly, and sometime in the past (and I know it's been a while) they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive. They clearly did not think this through, or maybe they did and it's anal retentive. What software company changes user defaults? Let me re-phrase, what competent software company does this? I get MS wants us to use the cloud so that everything is backed up, but I now have documentation in assorted locations, and I need to figure out the most current. It does not help I'm picking this up after 2 months of downtime. This is up there with the automatic reboots. I swear, I'll punch these people if I ever meet them.

                        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                        Syntax error: Missing </rant> …or have you not calmed down yet?

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                        • C charlieg

                          I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy. So, Microsoft rolls out OS and application updates constantly, and sometime in the past (and I know it's been a while) they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive. They clearly did not think this through, or maybe they did and it's anal retentive. What software company changes user defaults? Let me re-phrase, what competent software company does this? I get MS wants us to use the cloud so that everything is backed up, but I now have documentation in assorted locations, and I need to figure out the most current. It does not help I'm picking this up after 2 months of downtime. This is up there with the automatic reboots. I swear, I'll punch these people if I ever meet them.

                          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                          Phil Benson
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                          I'll hold them while you're doing it.... as long as I get to kick them in the nu*s when you've knocked them down.... :laugh:

                          Who the f*** is General Failure, and why is he reading my harddisk?

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                            I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy. So, Microsoft rolls out OS and application updates constantly, and sometime in the past (and I know it's been a while) they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive. They clearly did not think this through, or maybe they did and it's anal retentive. What software company changes user defaults? Let me re-phrase, what competent software company does this? I get MS wants us to use the cloud so that everything is backed up, but I now have documentation in assorted locations, and I need to figure out the most current. It does not help I'm picking this up after 2 months of downtime. This is up there with the automatic reboots. I swear, I'll punch these people if I ever meet them.

                            Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                            haughtonomous
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                            This kind of behaviour is why outside work I haven't touched MS software for decades now. If I could find a convenient way to avoid Apple & Google I would too, but by the time I twigged what they are up to I was too far in; what they don't know about me isn't worth knowing, and adverts go right over my head anyway. 😉

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                              They're tracking everything that happens in the car nowadays, and they have a good reason for that. [The Audi 5000 Unintended Acceleration Debacle - Blowing Smoke - Curbside Classic](https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/history/the-audi-500-unintended-acceleration-debacle/)

                              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                              charlieg
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                              If a car maker wants to collect data to monitor MY vehicle's behavior, I'm okay with that - just be upfront. If they collect data and then sell it to the highest bidder, it's a completely different story. Don't hide behind 50 pages of disclosure agreement a customer has to agree to in order to use your cars app. Etc. Governments are completely out of control, esp. mine. Rather than be legal and do government things like for the general good, they've figured out how to hide behind beauacracy and simple incompetence. And then there is just government evil. 10+ years ago, along came ancestry.com. You could send them a saliva sample, and they would allegedly tell you your ancestry. And they promised it was all private. Then they sold ALL of the DNA info to the FBI. Meanwhile, don't change my default folder microsoft. dicks.

                              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                Syntax error: Missing </rant> …or have you not calmed down yet?

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                                charlieg
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                                I had it in there ;) but CP ate it. I've calmed down a bit, it is a rant after all. The last 20 years, I developed embedded systems. You NEVER changed a user defaults. I think I made a coding error or slight change and ran into this. Got taken to the wood shed, but more importantly, there is a huge support train that is impacted. unless you're microsoft, then you just don't give a $hit. I'm working on a spreadsheet now in LibreOffice. Why I pay for Office in the past, I cannot explain other than "it's a standard." Yuck. X|

                                Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                  sigh, I sort of knew this, but I really wanted to stay in la la land. I would support federal legislation outlawing these sorts of agreements. I recently learned that many new car dealers are installing trackers on vehicles, even if you pay cash. Ford has a patent on reporting driving habits to the government. I miss my 2002 Maxima and my 1996 4-Runner.

                                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                  Just went through this on a new car buy from a Toyota dealer. The dealer had a charge on the invoice for a "security" system. Found out it was being installed when delivered at port due to vehicle thefts and their insurance requires it. They most certainly are NOT tracking you. We just told them to NOT install it as the one they use is a horrible system (i.e. cheap).

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                                    sigh, I sort of knew this, but I really wanted to stay in la la land. I would support federal legislation outlawing these sorts of agreements. I recently learned that many new car dealers are installing trackers on vehicles, even if you pay cash. Ford has a patent on reporting driving habits to the government. I miss my 2002 Maxima and my 1996 4-Runner.

                                    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                    My new Ford Maverick collects driving habit and information to be used to "help" them in the maintenance of the truck. After the news about GM sending that info to insurance companies I was worried they would do the same. They do, but in the menus of the truck you can disable that information from being shared with insurance (not the default) and supposedly other parties. I wanted the truck, so I will have to trust that are honoring my settings not to share. Do I trust them? Not really.

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                                      I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy. So, Microsoft rolls out OS and application updates constantly, and sometime in the past (and I know it's been a while) they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive. They clearly did not think this through, or maybe they did and it's anal retentive. What software company changes user defaults? Let me re-phrase, what competent software company does this? I get MS wants us to use the cloud so that everything is backed up, but I now have documentation in assorted locations, and I need to figure out the most current. It does not help I'm picking this up after 2 months of downtime. This is up there with the automatic reboots. I swear, I'll punch these people if I ever meet them.

                                      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                      I would switch to Linux in a heartbeat and Ubuntu installed with Virtual Box on my workstation-laptop. However, nothing compares to working with Visual Studio. Even JetBrains Rider feels like a half-baked product...

                                      Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com

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                                        I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy. So, Microsoft rolls out OS and application updates constantly, and sometime in the past (and I know it's been a while) they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive. They clearly did not think this through, or maybe they did and it's anal retentive. What software company changes user defaults? Let me re-phrase, what competent software company does this? I get MS wants us to use the cloud so that everything is backed up, but I now have documentation in assorted locations, and I need to figure out the most current. It does not help I'm picking this up after 2 months of downtime. This is up there with the automatic reboots. I swear, I'll punch these people if I ever meet them.

                                        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                        charlieg wrote:

                                        they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive

                                        ...the default of save locations of what, exactly? Browser download location? Notepad's Save As? My browser came with some default Download location - undoubtedly the OS's Downloads folder. It seems to remember whatever it is I used last time, and always suggest that until you change your download location again. Seems reasonable, I'd do that in my own apps. I believe the default Save location of Notepad works the same say. Whatever it last saved to, that's what comes up next time.

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                                          charlieg wrote:

                                          they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive

                                          ...the default of save locations of what, exactly? Browser download location? Notepad's Save As? My browser came with some default Download location - undoubtedly the OS's Downloads folder. It seems to remember whatever it is I used last time, and always suggest that until you change your download location again. Seems reasonable, I'd do that in my own apps. I believe the default Save location of Notepad works the same say. Whatever it last saved to, that's what comes up next time.

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                                          I cannot speak for notepad, but in this case, Office changed the default save location. I open a doc in My Documents on my system, and it defaults to saving it in one drive. Having used office for the last 25 years, I never picked up on it until I realized I had two copies. This has nothing to do with browsers and downloads. I refuse to use Edge, and so far Opera has behaved itself. There was another MS application that started this crap. Oh yeah, Outlook. In another example of scum baggery, Microsoft changed outlook to default to Edge. You know the defaults you set up for your system? Well MS added a specific setting to Outlook that overrode the system wide setting. Fair admission - this might have been related to Enterprise settings though I don't see how. My past customer allowed us to use Office under their corporate license. Even so, I refused to allow them to add my laptop to the domain, so I'm not sure how enterprise settings would make it to my PC.

                                          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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