The future of this situation?
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I am wondering what people think will be the future of this situation? Will the subsequent USA attacks on the Terrorist heat up the Middle East so much that it will lead to a form of war? Will this make the USA a more militaristic society in the near future? Philip
I'm also wondering what happened with the air traffic controllers. Looking at the diagrams, the flight out of Boston was completely off-course (it reversed direction over Pennsylvania), and the flight that hit the Pentagon was in the no-fly zone. If you lose contact with a plane, and it either veers off-course or flies where it shouldn't...I'd think that to be a red flag that something is definitely wrong. Apparently not. Along with that, I'm also hearing stories now that a flight attendant alerted the American Airlines offices to the hijacking (this is unconfirmed). If so, did they report that to the FAA? Doesn't seem like it.
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I'm also wondering what happened with the air traffic controllers. Looking at the diagrams, the flight out of Boston was completely off-course (it reversed direction over Pennsylvania), and the flight that hit the Pentagon was in the no-fly zone. If you lose contact with a plane, and it either veers off-course or flies where it shouldn't...I'd think that to be a red flag that something is definitely wrong. Apparently not. Along with that, I'm also hearing stories now that a flight attendant alerted the American Airlines offices to the hijacking (this is unconfirmed). If so, did they report that to the FAA? Doesn't seem like it.
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I don't think that this will make the American society any different, but it certainly indicates that security at airports will be much vigilant in future. Hi-jacking as many as 4 jets in one day - come on, the security in the airports have failed the nation. I can understand one, but four? After the planes were hijacked, there was nothing much the authorities could do. I mean, who would have expected them to fly into the WTC? This was a commercial airliner, starting from inside US (no boundaries were violated). Even if it came across the border, it was a commercial flight and the airforce would have done nothing. Any hijacker in the past had demands, and obviously these hijackers did not have demands and probably kept the authorities oblivious of their intentions. And the other three crashes followed so soon for the establishment to react. But the point of failure - certainly the airport security. I think the entry points into US and the border patrol and the airport security will become the focus. Also I hope that all big buildings will work out some strategies ( i do not know what) to minimize loss of human life in case anything like this happens again. As far as terrorism goes, I think that the solutions have to be very long term and would need all the willing countries to work together and form some kind of international tribunal for terrorist acts. UN should mark any country failing to comply with this as a terrorist state. - Thomas
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Why can't they install remote control devices on all airplains so that if an airplane goes off course we can overide the cockpit controls and control it from the ground?
If we could override the cockpit controls... then anyone could. Then we have airplanes being "hijacked" from the ground.
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I am wondering what people think will be the future of this situation? Will the subsequent USA attacks on the Terrorist heat up the Middle East so much that it will lead to a form of war? Will this make the USA a more militaristic society in the near future? Philip
First of all please accept our deepest sympathies and condolences. Second..isreai DEFENCE forces are much superior to arab's forces,rest assure that no war will start in the Middle East. Brief update about israel: 1.Air force are on alert 2.Pepole go to give blood 3.air space is open only to EL-AL company(which have armed guard inside the plain) 4.Police secure american interests 5.Israel declate a mourning day 6.Assitance is going to be send to USA(soliders who are trained to find pepole) Tomer Dror Israel
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If we could override the cockpit controls... then anyone could. Then we have airplanes being "hijacked" from the ground.
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I don't think that this will make the American society any different, but it certainly indicates that security at airports will be much vigilant in future. Hi-jacking as many as 4 jets in one day - come on, the security in the airports have failed the nation. I can understand one, but four You're joking, right ? Do you think these people walk up in robes with a towel on their head and ask directions to the terminal with the weakest security ? Do you think people would stand for strip searches every time they fly ? There is NOTHING that can be done to stop something as basic as a guy with a knife or gun getting onto a plane and taking it over. It's just not gonna happen. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
Correct. As someone with previous counter-terrorism experience there was and is very little that could be done to prevent something like this. Certainly you can plan for hijackings, but four aircraft within minutes of each other. Who would have thought that even if hijacked someone would crash the planes at full speed into WTC and the Pentagon? How do you plan for at least four people at the same time to have the resolve follow though with such an action. I have also spent over 11 years living in other countries. I say that America is now part of the world. This should be a wakeup call. As I watched the news I was struck with the realization that the scenes were those I've scene before, Central America, Isreal, Egypt, Frankfort, Afganistan, now the United States. I remember an advertisement from a London newspaper a years ago. "Suddenly America isn't what it seems." How true.
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Why can't they install remote control devices on all airplains so that if an airplane goes off course we can overide the cockpit controls and control it from the ground?
The airlines bitch at the cost of installing updated flight recorders. Do you seriously think they would willingly spend the money for this? The pilots union would also bitch. If they can remote control the planes then they would not need pilots.
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Oh I can see the headlines: Broken Windows on Air Force One Lead To Hijacking Reports confirm that a russian hacker has taken control of Air Force One though the much ballyhooed FAA Remote Control software, designed to combat hijackings. Sources say the russian, Boris Linuxlover, used a well known security in Outlook activating an insecure ActiveX component which allows emails to be sent to the FAA Remote Control software. The Russian states he is merely pointing out some security holes, but officials are not amused and want the plane back. *anyone offended by this please realise I am in no way making fun of todays happenings, I just want to make a point that remote control for planes is a bad idea regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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The airlines bitch at the cost of installing updated flight recorders. Do you seriously think they would willingly spend the money for this? The pilots union would also bitch. If they can remote control the planes then they would not need pilots.
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First of all please accept our deepest sympathies and condolences. Second..isreai DEFENCE forces are much superior to arab's forces,rest assure that no war will start in the Middle East. Brief update about israel: 1.Air force are on alert 2.Pepole go to give blood 3.air space is open only to EL-AL company(which have armed guard inside the plain) 4.Police secure american interests 5.Israel declate a mourning day 6.Assitance is going to be send to USA(soliders who are trained to find pepole) Tomer Dror Israel
Frankly if a war does start in the Middle East I don't think anyone worries that the Israelis are in trouble. Quite the opposite in fact. Also I reckon every Israeli in the defence force has been itching for a situation like this. If the culprits of todays events are even related by symbiotic-blood-sucking-parasite to Palestine or its friends then I think Israel will have a bit of help from America as well as free tickets to start any war they like. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Oh I can see the headlines: Broken Windows on Air Force One Lead To Hijacking Reports confirm that a russian hacker has taken control of Air Force One though the much ballyhooed FAA Remote Control software, designed to combat hijackings. Sources say the russian, Boris Linuxlover, used a well known security in Outlook activating an insecure ActiveX component which allows emails to be sent to the FAA Remote Control software. The Russian states he is merely pointing out some security holes, but officials are not amused and want the plane back. *anyone offended by this please realise I am in no way making fun of todays happenings, I just want to make a point that remote control for planes is a bad idea regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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I don't think that this will make the American society any different, but it certainly indicates that security at airports will be much vigilant in future. Hi-jacking as many as 4 jets in one day - come on, the security in the airports have failed the nation. I can understand one, but four? After the planes were hijacked, there was nothing much the authorities could do. I mean, who would have expected them to fly into the WTC? This was a commercial airliner, starting from inside US (no boundaries were violated). Even if it came across the border, it was a commercial flight and the airforce would have done nothing. Any hijacker in the past had demands, and obviously these hijackers did not have demands and probably kept the authorities oblivious of their intentions. And the other three crashes followed so soon for the establishment to react. But the point of failure - certainly the airport security. I think the entry points into US and the border patrol and the airport security will become the focus. Also I hope that all big buildings will work out some strategies ( i do not know what) to minimize loss of human life in case anything like this happens again. As far as terrorism goes, I think that the solutions have to be very long term and would need all the willing countries to work together and form some kind of international tribunal for terrorist acts. UN should mark any country failing to comply with this as a terrorist state. - Thomas
You're right on about the lack of security becoming a major issue. I'm actually kind of suspicious about the whole thing. I mean, how the hell could it had been that possible to hijack 4 planes in one day??? And usually when someone hijacks a plane the pilot immediately tells ground control about it. In this case, nothing. It's almost as if the pilots were the terrorists themselves. I don't know, the whole things smells bad. I also remember hearing somewhere that the Pearl Harbor attack was actually known by the US government before it happened. But they let it just happen so that it would make the whole country want to go to war. In this case I can't help but wonder if there isn't some sort of secret conspiracy behind the whole thing... I mean, this certainly gives Bush the backing that he needed to go ahead with the missile shield everyone had been opposing him on. It also gives Israel the US backing it's been missing lately. Hmmm... Let's hope it was just as it seemed: some legitimate terrorists who wanted to... well, terrorize the hell out of us. And let's hope we can accurately identify them and blow them up so neither they nor anyone else repeats this same horrific act. Regards, Alvaro
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Doesn't the US government have some very good security stuff that no one has broken that could be used?
I personally don't believe in an unbreakable encryption system. As soon as the government used one of their propietary encryption systems in a plane it would be stolen and the code broken within 48 hours. Or the code breakers would hack in remotely and figure it out. Encryption is a race against the hackers. A new system comes out, a day or two later it is broken. A new one comes out, it gets broken. I think what we really need is a humanity enforcer, something which prevents a human from comitting such acts. Then again that is about as possible as an un-breakable encryption system. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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I'm also wondering what happened with the air traffic controllers. Looking at the diagrams, the flight out of Boston was completely off-course (it reversed direction over Pennsylvania), and the flight that hit the Pentagon was in the no-fly zone. If you lose contact with a plane, and it either veers off-course or flies where it shouldn't...I'd think that to be a red flag that something is definitely wrong. Apparently not. Along with that, I'm also hearing stories now that a flight attendant alerted the American Airlines offices to the hijacking (this is unconfirmed). If so, did they report that to the FAA? Doesn't seem like it.
What could be done? Yes they most certainly were noticed going off course but hijackers make demands not fly into buildings.
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I personally don't believe in an unbreakable encryption system. As soon as the government used one of their propietary encryption systems in a plane it would be stolen and the code broken within 48 hours. Or the code breakers would hack in remotely and figure it out. Encryption is a race against the hackers. A new system comes out, a day or two later it is broken. A new one comes out, it gets broken. I think what we really need is a humanity enforcer, something which prevents a human from comitting such acts. Then again that is about as possible as an un-breakable encryption system. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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You're right on about the lack of security becoming a major issue. I'm actually kind of suspicious about the whole thing. I mean, how the hell could it had been that possible to hijack 4 planes in one day??? And usually when someone hijacks a plane the pilot immediately tells ground control about it. In this case, nothing. It's almost as if the pilots were the terrorists themselves. I don't know, the whole things smells bad. I also remember hearing somewhere that the Pearl Harbor attack was actually known by the US government before it happened. But they let it just happen so that it would make the whole country want to go to war. In this case I can't help but wonder if there isn't some sort of secret conspiracy behind the whole thing... I mean, this certainly gives Bush the backing that he needed to go ahead with the missile shield everyone had been opposing him on. It also gives Israel the US backing it's been missing lately. Hmmm... Let's hope it was just as it seemed: some legitimate terrorists who wanted to... well, terrorize the hell out of us. And let's hope we can accurately identify them and blow them up so neither they nor anyone else repeats this same horrific act. Regards, Alvaro
..."I mean, this certainly gives Bush the backing that he needed to go ahead with the missile shield everyone had been opposing him on. It also gives Israel the US backing it's been missing lately. Hmmm..."... Firstly it does the complete opposite of supporting the missile defense shield. CNN is already scorning the missile shield and calling for the money to be spent on internal terrorist protection. As we have seen it is not ICBMs America should be fearing but rather it's own planes and already planted terrorists. Secondly I hope America does give Israel the support it needs and I hope every other moral and free country joins them. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Frankly if a war does start in the Middle East I don't think anyone worries that the Israelis are in trouble. Quite the opposite in fact. Also I reckon every Israeli in the defence force has been itching for a situation like this. If the culprits of todays events are even related by symbiotic-blood-sucking-parasite to Palestine or its friends then I think Israel will have a bit of help from America as well as free tickets to start any war they like. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Nope, they're dancing in the streets and giving out candy to children. It's a party over there because thousands of human beings were killed or injured.
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Cathy, I sincerely hope I am proved wrong on both counts. But look on the bright side; breakable encryption keeps us in our jobs (even if you don't directly do encryption you probably need to upgrade your systems to take advantage of the latest encryption system). Also un-breakable encryption could be used for good AND bad. For planning terrorist attacks, ones in which no one may ever know about until too late. Crumbs I really need a happy thought right now, everything is doom & gloom and I am not helping. *wanders off to make a cup of tea, anybody want? happiness is a cup of tea every 45 minutes* :-D regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
