Best VPN?
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For someone who is quite Windows computer savvy, but no experience with VPNs, which startup VPN would you recommend. What will it cost? Thanks to all who respond :)
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I use ExpressVPN. It works well and gives me no hassles. They recently dropped updates for Windows 7 (and probably 8 I suppose) so you will need W10 or later from now on. however, when I complained about a wireless issue with a new adapter they sent me a Windows 7 version that fixed the issue and it works fine. Good support.
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For someone who is quite Windows computer savvy, but no experience with VPNs, which startup VPN would you recommend. What will it cost? Thanks to all who respond :)
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
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For someone who is quite Windows computer savvy, but no experience with VPNs, which startup VPN would you recommend. What will it cost? Thanks to all who respond :)
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
I have never understood what people would use a VPN for.
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I have never understood what people would use a VPN for.
The marketing for them says security, but they're no more secure than not using one (the way most people use them). But, it's marketing so you know how that goes. So, there's.... 1. Security (not true but marketing) 2. Getting around region locking so you can watch Netflix shows, etc. not for your region. 3. It's good for global website and network routing testing. Of course, you can do this without a VPN if you have servers to bounce traffic around, but for the average person. It's just marketing. People will buy anything as long as there's an ad for it. IMO #2 and #3 are the only valid reasons to use one as they make it much simpler to deal with regions.
Jeremy Falcon
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The marketing for them says security, but they're no more secure than not using one (the way most people use them). But, it's marketing so you know how that goes. So, there's.... 1. Security (not true but marketing) 2. Getting around region locking so you can watch Netflix shows, etc. not for your region. 3. It's good for global website and network routing testing. Of course, you can do this without a VPN if you have servers to bounce traffic around, but for the average person. It's just marketing. People will buy anything as long as there's an ad for it. IMO #2 and #3 are the only valid reasons to use one as they make it much simpler to deal with regions.
Jeremy Falcon
This. I've found the more paranoid and less technical people are, the more likely it is they use or want to use a VPN. They either don't understand how they work, or what it can or cannot do for them. They never know how to respond when I explain that internet services aren't without cost, especially if they're going to route all their traffic through a server in Finland they're not paying for. How do they monetize that, especially when they let you use it for free? Same way as everybody else they're trying to hide from. IMO, if nothing else, the very act of running a VPN raises a red flag - the opposite of what you're trying to achieve. So even though I'm (somewhat) privacy conscious, I don't.
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This. I've found the more paranoid and less technical people are, the more likely it is they use or want to use a VPN. They either don't understand how they work, or what it can or cannot do for them. They never know how to respond when I explain that internet services aren't without cost, especially if they're going to route all their traffic through a server in Finland they're not paying for. How do they monetize that, especially when they let you use it for free? Same way as everybody else they're trying to hide from. IMO, if nothing else, the very act of running a VPN raises a red flag - the opposite of what you're trying to achieve. So even though I'm (somewhat) privacy conscious, I don't.
Not to mention, as far as industries go, most of the "reviews" you see online will have links to sign up for said service. Finding truly unbiased info when there's money to be made (in any industry) is easier said than done. It's been well known that a man in the middle attack can [break SSL](https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/65794/it-is-possible-to-decrypt-https-traffic-when-a-man-in-the-middle-proxy-is-alread). Most traffic sniffers do this intentionally. So, end-to-end encryption isn't perfect. What a VPN manages to do, is hide this process from you. :laugh: As they can install whatever they want with their software. And there are still other attacks a hacker can do on a VPN. Not to mention, just like with your ISP, then the VPN will still know all websites you visit. They can collect demographics about you, just like your ISP. While technically in TLS/SSL query string params are encrypted, the base URL isn't. So, they can always tell which sites you visit and how often just like your ISP already knows. Point being, it's not the holy grail as far as security is concerned. To the average person, they can cloak you, which I guess is cool. So, if that's all that's meant by security then cool. And it does offload the traffic logs from your ISP, but there's zero gain if the VPN isn't outside the jurisdiction of any federal agencies. I'm just being pedantic because I don't like false beliefs based on marketing designed to get your money. :-O
Jeremy Falcon
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For someone who is quite Windows computer savvy, but no experience with VPNs, which startup VPN would you recommend. What will it cost? Thanks to all who respond :)
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
Some anti-virus packages come with a built-in VPN. I use Norton 360 on my home computers, and the VPN is useful both for spoofing my location and for security. AIUI, an online VPN is not much use for security, because the segment between you and the VPN node may still be spied upon. Look for a package that has a local component that does the encryption (i.e. the packets are encrypted from your computer until they leave the VPN).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Some anti-virus packages come with a built-in VPN. I use Norton 360 on my home computers, and the VPN is useful both for spoofing my location and for security. AIUI, an online VPN is not much use for security, because the segment between you and the VPN node may still be spied upon. Look for a package that has a local component that does the encryption (i.e. the packets are encrypted from your computer until they leave the VPN).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
I've used ExpressVPN before. Good service, but pricey. Switched to NordVPN - almost half the price - and I'm happy with it. No issues so far. Why I use it? 1. Netflix - like having U.S. programs as an alternative to German ones (hate hearing Morgan Freeman speaking German) 2. Accessing media from other countries, which restrict content to locals 3. Hiding my ip, for privacy reasons - tracking, advertising, etc. 4. Occasionally downloading (usually books, sometimes apps, to check on a VM) from the gray zones, and avoiding (I hope) to have my ISP watching over my shoulder As I don't communicate regularly with Mossad, CIA or KGB, I'm not using VPN for security reasons. I'm also not trying to break into other countries' servers - I live it to the CIA: they're so much better at it! :laugh:
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I've used ExpressVPN before. Good service, but pricey. Switched to NordVPN - almost half the price - and I'm happy with it. No issues so far. Why I use it? 1. Netflix - like having U.S. programs as an alternative to German ones (hate hearing Morgan Freeman speaking German) 2. Accessing media from other countries, which restrict content to locals 3. Hiding my ip, for privacy reasons - tracking, advertising, etc. 4. Occasionally downloading (usually books, sometimes apps, to check on a VM) from the gray zones, and avoiding (I hope) to have my ISP watching over my shoulder As I don't communicate regularly with Mossad, CIA or KGB, I'm not using VPN for security reasons. I'm also not trying to break into other countries' servers - I live it to the CIA: they're so much better at it! :laugh:
Luschan wrote:
As I don't communicate regularly with Mossad, CIA or KGB, I'm not using VPN for security reasons. I'm also not trying to break into other countries' servers - I live it to the CIA: they're so much better at it!
I don't (to my knowledge) have anything to do with official secrets or the intelligence services either, but there is such a thing as commercial IP. My work computer has a VPN that includes a component that encrypts the data from my computer through to the work network.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Luschan wrote:
As I don't communicate regularly with Mossad, CIA or KGB, I'm not using VPN for security reasons. I'm also not trying to break into other countries' servers - I live it to the CIA: they're so much better at it!
I don't (to my knowledge) have anything to do with official secrets or the intelligence services either, but there is such a thing as commercial IP. My work computer has a VPN that includes a component that encrypts the data from my computer through to the work network.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
That is an entire different story! My work computer uses Cisco / Anyconnect VPN. I don’t pay for it, it wasn’t my choice (horrible and expensive) and I am forced to used it (to connect to work network). It rarely works, for short periods, for some people. Everybody has problems with this disease, which the corporate IT department cannot fix! However, I think this is a different subject altogether.
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For someone who is quite Windows computer savvy, but no experience with VPNs, which startup VPN would you recommend. What will it cost? Thanks to all who respond :)
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
If you're looking for a VPN to hide your "grey" activity or to get round geo-locking I can (highly) recommend VPN Unlimited from Keep Solid. They often have special offers on subscriptions making their price unbeatable. Their plan allows for up to 4 devices at a time (IIRC). [VPN Unlimited - Fast & Secure VPN service](https://www.vpnunlimited.com/) On the other hand if you are looking to "phone home" or set up a small system for itinerant users you can try Softether VPN which is very easy to set up and maintain, and is completely free - however they currently have a bug for android clients, but with a workaround. [SoftEther VPN Project - SoftEther VPN Project](https://www.softether.org/)
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Not to mention, as far as industries go, most of the "reviews" you see online will have links to sign up for said service. Finding truly unbiased info when there's money to be made (in any industry) is easier said than done. It's been well known that a man in the middle attack can [break SSL](https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/65794/it-is-possible-to-decrypt-https-traffic-when-a-man-in-the-middle-proxy-is-alread). Most traffic sniffers do this intentionally. So, end-to-end encryption isn't perfect. What a VPN manages to do, is hide this process from you. :laugh: As they can install whatever they want with their software. And there are still other attacks a hacker can do on a VPN. Not to mention, just like with your ISP, then the VPN will still know all websites you visit. They can collect demographics about you, just like your ISP. While technically in TLS/SSL query string params are encrypted, the base URL isn't. So, they can always tell which sites you visit and how often just like your ISP already knows. Point being, it's not the holy grail as far as security is concerned. To the average person, they can cloak you, which I guess is cool. So, if that's all that's meant by security then cool. And it does offload the traffic logs from your ISP, but there's zero gain if the VPN isn't outside the jurisdiction of any federal agencies. I'm just being pedantic because I don't like false beliefs based on marketing designed to get your money. :-O
Jeremy Falcon
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For someone who is quite Windows computer savvy, but no experience with VPNs, which startup VPN would you recommend. What will it cost? Thanks to all who respond :)
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
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That is an entire different story! My work computer uses Cisco / Anyconnect VPN. I don’t pay for it, it wasn’t my choice (horrible and expensive) and I am forced to used it (to connect to work network). It rarely works, for short periods, for some people. Everybody has problems with this disease, which the corporate IT department cannot fix! However, I think this is a different subject altogether.
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I have never understood what people would use a VPN for.
Be free from censorship!
Behzad
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I have never understood what people would use a VPN for.
Connecting to the free world!
Behzad
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If you're looking for a VPN to hide your "grey" activity or to get round geo-locking I can (highly) recommend VPN Unlimited from Keep Solid. They often have special offers on subscriptions making their price unbeatable. Their plan allows for up to 4 devices at a time (IIRC). [VPN Unlimited - Fast & Secure VPN service](https://www.vpnunlimited.com/) On the other hand if you are looking to "phone home" or set up a small system for itinerant users you can try Softether VPN which is very easy to set up and maintain, and is completely free - however they currently have a bug for android clients, but with a workaround. [SoftEther VPN Project - SoftEther VPN Project](https://www.softether.org/)
So old that I did my first coding in octal via switches on a DEC PDP 8
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