What's the object-oriented way to become wealthy?
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Nelek wrote:
And it doesn't need a big (a.k.a. rich) amount of money to see that.
Amen to that.
Nelek wrote:
Down 18k€ partially due to listen who I didn't have to. Not everything lost yet, because I didn't sell, companies still exist, but by all means a good teacher.
Funny thing is man, crypto is following the same exact bust boom cycle the web did in the early 2000s and late 90s. It's a tech that isn't going anywhere; it does need to be priced accurately. It's the tulip craze all over again. And, the bust cycle will weed out the losers/phonies in the market. Which is a good thing because it'll never be taken seriously until the phonies are gone. The lesson I had to learn the hard way is, the "less intelligent" the person they more sure they are of something they know little about. They can be very convincing, even if you know better. So, at least you're not alone. :laugh: :laugh:
Nelek wrote:
Forex is only playing with exchange currencies of different lands? Or does it include more? (Just curious, I know I could google but I want to hear it with you instead of a out-of-the-box tipified answer)
This is why I like you man, you're smart. Short answer is yes. Since the likelihood of using using a one-world currency any time soon is zilch, it's an important market for the global economy to help us price imports, exports, travel, etc. Any time you go to a currency exchange shop when visiting another country, they're tapping into the Forex market. Of course as with any markets you also have derivatives, such as a futures market as well. But, there's a lot "less" to it than the stock market. For instance, there's no concept of options in Forex. There's interest that can be paid out, but you don't really get dividends, perks from holding stock, etc. But, it's by far the most liquid market on the planet, for reasons I can elaborate on if you really want. Slippage is not an issue in the Forex spot market. Shorting is no big deal because it's cash and easy to borrow against. Which IMO makes it great for trading. For investing, that's a different story though. The money supply value is essentially the value of a country's economy all rolled up into one. So, kinda like the S&P in that regards but on steroids and fluctuations in it are usually less severe for the popular currencies. Personally, I love it, but it's the wild west compared to m
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
for reasons I can elaborate on if you really want
I would like to, but not now, I am going through a turbulent time in this moment and I do not want to start anything new, if I can't really focus on what I do (even less if it might imply a risk to my economy). I already have all what I have and although it is not good to "fire and forget", it is the only thing I can do while focusing in one, two or max three things until it / they get solved.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Side note, not sure if you ever read about the [Tulip market bubble](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dutch\_tulip\_bulb\_market\_bubble.asp) in the 16th-17th century. But it's great story to read up on. This whole concept of freaking out over stupid crap thinking you'll print money has been around forever. Nothing new.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
This whole concept of freaking out over stupid crap thinking you'll print money has been around forever. Nothing new.
No wanting to start a discussion, but I think that's specially the strategy of the US. Here I might get in the "not informed enough topic that you complain above", though: For me, once the US got out of the "backing money / debts with gold" they got a white card / free ride on pumping the market with new printed bills, everything has been getting wild(er than usually / needed) since that. It currently is not only a problem with the US, of course, a lot of countries do that, but if I am not wrong they were the first stone causing the lawine. Note: I am not willing to enter in politics, it is only an additional comment about the affirmation you said.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Oh, and since you won't be bothered to read... 1) I said millionaires. Not billionaires. I mentioned they are not the same thing. You gave 4 examples but 1,000s of every day millionaires made their own way. 2) Don't you dare discredit the work they did simply because they came from a good environment. You make it sound like it's so easy to do it. If that's case... go do it yourself. You won't. You can't. You'll just complain. But, let me share with you a truth... it doesn't matter how much money you have, if you have a good idea and vision AND the ability to execute it... the money will find you. Of course, you wouldn't know this in all your jealousy.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Don't you dare discredit the work they did simply because they came from a good environment. You make it sound like it's so easy to do it
Without discrediting them, it does help if you already have a big amount backing you up. The more money you have, the more money you can make or the easier you can make it. Of course the person has to have some sight for it, it is easy to burn wealth too (there are enough examples out there).
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
it doesn't matter how much money you have, if you have a good idea and vision AND the ability to execute it... the money will find you.
and the money to start with is not to be underestimated. Back in college I had a couple of ideas, I even had a very basic concept / design for one of them. I failed because I didn't had the money to continue the development of a physical prototype and to pay a lawyer to file a good patent (the thing had the potential to make millions in my opinion). I tried to find someone to invest in, but I couldn't, at the end some big companies started something similar, so I gave up.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Don't you dare discredit the work they did simply because they came from a good environment. You make it sound like it's so easy to do it
Without discrediting them, it does help if you already have a big amount backing you up. The more money you have, the more money you can make or the easier you can make it. Of course the person has to have some sight for it, it is easy to burn wealth too (there are enough examples out there).
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
it doesn't matter how much money you have, if you have a good idea and vision AND the ability to execute it... the money will find you.
and the money to start with is not to be underestimated. Back in college I had a couple of ideas, I even had a very basic concept / design for one of them. I failed because I didn't had the money to continue the development of a physical prototype and to pay a lawyer to file a good patent (the thing had the potential to make millions in my opinion). I tried to find someone to invest in, but I couldn't, at the end some big companies started something similar, so I gave up.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
Of course the person has to have some sight for it, it is easy to burn wealth too (there are enough examples out there).
This is what people who know little about money want you to believe. I realize this thread has turned crazy out of of control, but investors are everywhere. If your idea is good enough and you can execute it... the money will find you. You cannot be an introvert and pull it off though, you gotta get out there and talk. Anyone who says otherwise is just sitting behind a computer and never leaving their home. Hell, I've had coworkers want to invest with me just because I was yapping about trading. Anyone saying they can't is just using excuses with zero real experience.
Nelek wrote:
and the money to start with is not to be underestimated.
Again, stop listening to losers who do nothing but hate. They'll poison your mind and waste your time.
Nelek wrote:
Back in college I had a couple of ideas, I even had a very basic concept / design for one of them. I failed because I didn't had the money to continue the development of a physical prototype and to pay a lawyer to file a good patent (the thing had the potential to make millions in my opinion). I tried to find someone to invest in, but I couldn't, at the end some big companies started something similar, so I gave up.
You failed because you weren't educated or driven enough. You can (and should) start any business cheaply. And I promise you that you didn't talk to or know any other entrepreneurs or investors. You can start just about any business for less than 1K, unless it's a brick and mortar store. In your specific case, where a patent needed to be filed, you could've done supplementary business to support it. Any patent wouldn't be more than 10k-20k tops for a single patent. You could've pooled from friends and family. You could've taken on a partner since 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing. You know who I learned that from? A wealthy man in real estate who was one of my mentors - for free. Just a good guy sharing the love. And assuming this was before 3D printing, manufacturing a product is the worst starter business to do unless you, again, know people. Which means, stop being introverted. Even if you had the prototype, you'll run into a lot more issues with the manufacturing process if you're new. Again, a supplementary business would'
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
This whole concept of freaking out over stupid crap thinking you'll print money has been around forever. Nothing new.
No wanting to start a discussion, but I think that's specially the strategy of the US. Here I might get in the "not informed enough topic that you complain above", though: For me, once the US got out of the "backing money / debts with gold" they got a white card / free ride on pumping the market with new printed bills, everything has been getting wild(er than usually / needed) since that. It currently is not only a problem with the US, of course, a lot of countries do that, but if I am not wrong they were the first stone causing the lawine. Note: I am not willing to enter in politics, it is only an additional comment about the affirmation you said.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
You will be delighted to know, buddy.... I 100% agree with you. How often does that happen online? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I am not a fan our (the US') fiscal policies at all. I think we took something good and perverted it and screwed it up. History repeats itself as the wrong people continue to get into power. And without getting political, that's all I'll say about that. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
for reasons I can elaborate on if you really want
I would like to, but not now, I am going through a turbulent time in this moment and I do not want to start anything new, if I can't really focus on what I do (even less if it might imply a risk to my economy). I already have all what I have and although it is not good to "fire and forget", it is the only thing I can do while focusing in one, two or max three things until it / they get solved.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
That's the smart approach man. Focus on one or two things and master them. Forget the rest... master something and be better than everyone else at it. Wishing you the best of luck with it.
Jeremy Falcon
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… the vast majority of billionaires are self-made snake oil salesmen. FTFY. Eg. Oracle and SAP. And Elon Musk with his self-driving automobiles.
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David I'm not sure you're able to have a rational conversation with me. I don't buy this premise, but for the sake of argument let's say it's correct (not really). The original comment was most millionaires are self made rather than have it be inherited. That has nothing to do with luck upon making said money. Now, since you clearly just want to disagree with me, I'll simply say winners make their own luck. Losers complain. You can say there's luck in not being born in a tiny village in Africa, but if you live in the western world the knowledge is out there. Argue with that. But I will say this, if you know zero millionaires your opinion means nothing to me.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'll simply say winners make their own luck. Losers complain.
DING DING DING!! This guy gets it. (and in the following, when I say "you", I certainly don't mean you personally. I know you're smart enough to realize that) I think that's the fundamental idea here. Some people are satisfied enough claiming life just dealt them a bad hand and run with that, but ultimately everyone has to take responsibility for their own destiny. Of course there's exceptions (for one, I wouldn't want to have been born in North Korea), but when one lives in the so-called land of opportunity, he only has himself to blame for his own outcome. True, some happen to have things fall on their lap. They're in the extreme minority however, and it's delusional to expect the same to happen to you. You can't use that as an example for what to expect. You want something? Work for it. Not reaching your goals? Turns out you didn't want it badly enough, in spite of your beliefs. You didn't have the balls to make the tough choices and decided to take the easier path. It's like people spending their lives blaming their parents for the way they turned out. No, at some point, you grow into an adult and your day-to-day decisions are your own.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'll simply say winners make their own luck. Losers complain.
DING DING DING!! This guy gets it. (and in the following, when I say "you", I certainly don't mean you personally. I know you're smart enough to realize that) I think that's the fundamental idea here. Some people are satisfied enough claiming life just dealt them a bad hand and run with that, but ultimately everyone has to take responsibility for their own destiny. Of course there's exceptions (for one, I wouldn't want to have been born in North Korea), but when one lives in the so-called land of opportunity, he only has himself to blame for his own outcome. True, some happen to have things fall on their lap. They're in the extreme minority however, and it's delusional to expect the same to happen to you. You can't use that as an example for what to expect. You want something? Work for it. Not reaching your goals? Turns out you didn't want it badly enough, in spite of your beliefs. You didn't have the balls to make the tough choices and decided to take the easier path. It's like people spending their lives blaming their parents for the way they turned out. No, at some point, you grow into an adult and your day-to-day decisions are your own.
Preach, brother.
dandy72 wrote:
It's like people spending their lives blaming their parents for the way they turned out. No, at some point, you grow into an adult and your day-to-day decisions are your own.
What I usually say is you can blame them all you want to if you're under 18 and living in their house. There are abusive parents for instance, I should know... mine were. But, once you're out of their control and an adult. Newsflash, it's your choices now. Granted, you may have been given a terrible blueprint for life from your parents, but nothing but your own mind is preventing you from learning a new blueprint from others. People need to hear that a hell of a lot more than the victim mentality nonsense.
Jeremy Falcon
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Preach, brother.
dandy72 wrote:
It's like people spending their lives blaming their parents for the way they turned out. No, at some point, you grow into an adult and your day-to-day decisions are your own.
What I usually say is you can blame them all you want to if you're under 18 and living in their house. There are abusive parents for instance, I should know... mine were. But, once you're out of their control and an adult. Newsflash, it's your choices now. Granted, you may have been given a terrible blueprint for life from your parents, but nothing but your own mind is preventing you from learning a new blueprint from others. People need to hear that a hell of a lot more than the victim mentality nonsense.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
What I usually say is you can blame them all you want to if you're under 18 and living in their house. There are abusive parents
For sure, as I wrote this I kept telling myself to re-edit and add "...until you're 18" but just forgot to add it in the end - I didn't mean to come across as insensitive, and I fully realize there are truly sh*tty situations. But when I see people well into their 40s, 50s or even much older, complaining they never got ahead in life because daddy liked the bottle more than he liked them - yet haven't been in contact for decades - I'll start to call bullshit.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
What I usually say is you can blame them all you want to if you're under 18 and living in their house. There are abusive parents
For sure, as I wrote this I kept telling myself to re-edit and add "...until you're 18" but just forgot to add it in the end - I didn't mean to come across as insensitive, and I fully realize there are truly sh*tty situations. But when I see people well into their 40s, 50s or even much older, complaining they never got ahead in life because daddy liked the bottle more than he liked them - yet haven't been in contact for decades - I'll start to call bullshit.
dandy72 wrote:
For sure, as I wrote this I kept telling myself to re-edit and add "...until you're 18" but just forgot to add it in the end - I didn't mean to come across as insensitive, and I fully realize there are truly sh*tty situations.
I think intelligent people could pick up on what you meant. Of course, you how that goes. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Personally, I don't think you were being insensitive. IMO people can say something positive without having to saying the negative in every sentence. Doesn't mean you're insensitive or don't recognize that, you're just talking about the normal path 90% of peeps go through. We be too sensitive these days IMO.
dandy72 wrote:
But when I see people well into their 40s, 50s or even much older, complaining they never got ahead in life because daddy liked the bottle more than he liked them - yet haven't been in contact for decades - I'll start to call bullshit.
You beat me to it. :laugh: Did I mention I banged my toe on a coffee table 20 years ago? It really hurt. Between that and Elon, it's why I'm a failure. I'm a victim. :~
Jeremy Falcon
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Vivi Chellappa wrote:
And Elon Musk with his self-driving automobiles.
I don't think the self-driving "feature" of Elon's cars is the main selling point.
Maybe not. But people are paying extra for the “Full self-driving” feature, expecting that is what it means and fail to read the small print full of weasel words. And that is what causes the fatal and non-fatal accidents. And the weasel words protect Elon Musk. By the way, since “Full self-driving” is a software, it is not transferable from one Tesla owner to the next! That gives me an idea: if power steering, power brakes, cruise control can be enabled/disabled by software which merely trips a circuit, car manufacturers can disable the function when the vehicle is sold in the used-car market and charge for enabling it again!
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Don't you dare discredit the work they did simply because they came from a good environment. You make it sound like it's so easy to do it
Without discrediting them, it does help if you already have a big amount backing you up. The more money you have, the more money you can make or the easier you can make it. Of course the person has to have some sight for it, it is easy to burn wealth too (there are enough examples out there).
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
it doesn't matter how much money you have, if you have a good idea and vision AND the ability to execute it... the money will find you.
and the money to start with is not to be underestimated. Back in college I had a couple of ideas, I even had a very basic concept / design for one of them. I failed because I didn't had the money to continue the development of a physical prototype and to pay a lawyer to file a good patent (the thing had the potential to make millions in my opinion). I tried to find someone to invest in, but I couldn't, at the end some big companies started something similar, so I gave up.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
I had a lot of trouble with my first car. It was cheap but that was all I could afford at that time. Having graduated with a MS in computer science (1971), I recalled my course in digital logic system design and wondered why the mechanical distributor in the car (which distributes electrical signals to the spark plugs) couldn’t be replaced with an electronic circuit. I didn’t have the money to develop the idea or to file a patent. Three months later, Chrysler Corporation announced the first electronic ignition system! Observing the mechanical pumps at fueling stations where the prices were being changed daily, I wondered why the prices could not be stored in digital memory with an easy change system and the calculations made with digital circuits. Today, all pumps have that kind of systems. The same idea applies to the fare meters in taxis. When I mentioned it to an experienced PhD electrical engineer and wondered if I could get a patent on it, he said that they would change the layout of the circuits and claim that wouldn’t infringe on my patent if I got one. When a year later my younger brother in India wanted an idea for a senior project in electrical engineering, I told him about the electronic taxi meter and sent him a few TTL circuits made by Texas Instruments. He designed a taxi meter with those parts and he got written up in the local newspaper for his invention! Today, a cyclocomputer (used to measure time, distance, speed, etc) on a bicycle which is essentially the same thing can be had for under $20.
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Nelek wrote:
Of course the person has to have some sight for it, it is easy to burn wealth too (there are enough examples out there).
This is what people who know little about money want you to believe. I realize this thread has turned crazy out of of control, but investors are everywhere. If your idea is good enough and you can execute it... the money will find you. You cannot be an introvert and pull it off though, you gotta get out there and talk. Anyone who says otherwise is just sitting behind a computer and never leaving their home. Hell, I've had coworkers want to invest with me just because I was yapping about trading. Anyone saying they can't is just using excuses with zero real experience.
Nelek wrote:
and the money to start with is not to be underestimated.
Again, stop listening to losers who do nothing but hate. They'll poison your mind and waste your time.
Nelek wrote:
Back in college I had a couple of ideas, I even had a very basic concept / design for one of them. I failed because I didn't had the money to continue the development of a physical prototype and to pay a lawyer to file a good patent (the thing had the potential to make millions in my opinion). I tried to find someone to invest in, but I couldn't, at the end some big companies started something similar, so I gave up.
You failed because you weren't educated or driven enough. You can (and should) start any business cheaply. And I promise you that you didn't talk to or know any other entrepreneurs or investors. You can start just about any business for less than 1K, unless it's a brick and mortar store. In your specific case, where a patent needed to be filed, you could've done supplementary business to support it. Any patent wouldn't be more than 10k-20k tops for a single patent. You could've pooled from friends and family. You could've taken on a partner since 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing. You know who I learned that from? A wealthy man in real estate who was one of my mentors - for free. Just a good guy sharing the love. And assuming this was before 3D printing, manufacturing a product is the worst starter business to do unless you, again, know people. Which means, stop being introverted. Even if you had the prototype, you'll run into a lot more issues with the manufacturing process if you're new. Again, a supplementary business would'
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
This is what people who know little about money want you to believe.
I only say: Mike Tyson.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You failed because you weren't educated or driven enough.
And because I still was student, without income.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You could've pooled from friends and family.
I was still living from family and didn't want to pull more
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You could've taken on a partner since 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
Tried to find one, didn't find anyone
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
And assuming this was before 3D printing, manufacturing a product is the worst starter business to do unless you, again, know people.
Exactly, that's why I just wanted to make a design, file the patent and try to sell it to a bigger company or finish the product with them for a %.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Even if you had the prototype, you'll run into a lot more issues with the manufacturing process if you're new. Again, a supplementary business would've helped to teach you the basics of business first.
Running a business is not really my thing, I know I am not the best option for it.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Also, from my understanding, you don't need a working prototype for the patent. You could've just gotten the patent first and then start talking to people about it to help you out.
Yeah, but back then I didn't know it. Sadly there is not time machine (yet).
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The truth is, you just gave up.
Partially yes. I posponed things to "a better moment" I lost the train
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Starting a business is not for everyone and that's cool;
As I said above, I know it and I think I am not a good option for it. Maybe if I had no choice I would "wake up" but for now, having a good job, I do not even try.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
just don't go hating on those that do (not saying you, you know who) just because they made it. Hate them for other reasons. :laugh:
I don't... at least just because they
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
This is what people who know little about money want you to believe.
I only say: Mike Tyson.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You failed because you weren't educated or driven enough.
And because I still was student, without income.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You could've pooled from friends and family.
I was still living from family and didn't want to pull more
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You could've taken on a partner since 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
Tried to find one, didn't find anyone
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
And assuming this was before 3D printing, manufacturing a product is the worst starter business to do unless you, again, know people.
Exactly, that's why I just wanted to make a design, file the patent and try to sell it to a bigger company or finish the product with them for a %.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Even if you had the prototype, you'll run into a lot more issues with the manufacturing process if you're new. Again, a supplementary business would've helped to teach you the basics of business first.
Running a business is not really my thing, I know I am not the best option for it.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Also, from my understanding, you don't need a working prototype for the patent. You could've just gotten the patent first and then start talking to people about it to help you out.
Yeah, but back then I didn't know it. Sadly there is not time machine (yet).
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The truth is, you just gave up.
Partially yes. I posponed things to "a better moment" I lost the train
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Starting a business is not for everyone and that's cool;
As I said above, I know it and I think I am not a good option for it. Maybe if I had no choice I would "wake up" but for now, having a good job, I do not even try.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
just don't go hating on those that do (not saying you, you know who) just because they made it. Hate them for other reasons. :laugh:
I don't... at least just because they
Well, just to keep this short and fun... :laugh: Mike Tyson doesn't know first thing about money man. He's a boxer who spent it all. A lot of celebrities are like that. Not all, but a lot. They may not be the best examples of someone who knows about money. But, I totally want to see that Jake Paul fight. :laugh: Anywho, it's perfectly ok to not be an entrepreneur. There's so many stigmas out there over everything. Like, I know for me that running a business is boring. After the novelty wore off it became so hard to do the same things over and over again. It's not who I am. I'm a creative. We need both types in the world. Without creatives we don't have new. Without those can just do, nothing gets done. So, if I go into a business again, it'll have to be with enough money to hire peeps so I don't jump off a bridge from boredom. All this to say, the world needs all different types of people. Oh, and I upvoted you. Because we totally disagreed and kept it friendly. Maybe we'll start a trend. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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dandy72 wrote:
For sure, as I wrote this I kept telling myself to re-edit and add "...until you're 18" but just forgot to add it in the end - I didn't mean to come across as insensitive, and I fully realize there are truly sh*tty situations.
I think intelligent people could pick up on what you meant. Of course, you how that goes. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Personally, I don't think you were being insensitive. IMO people can say something positive without having to saying the negative in every sentence. Doesn't mean you're insensitive or don't recognize that, you're just talking about the normal path 90% of peeps go through. We be too sensitive these days IMO.
dandy72 wrote:
But when I see people well into their 40s, 50s or even much older, complaining they never got ahead in life because daddy liked the bottle more than he liked them - yet haven't been in contact for decades - I'll start to call bullshit.
You beat me to it. :laugh: Did I mention I banged my toe on a coffee table 20 years ago? It really hurt. Between that and Elon, it's why I'm a failure. I'm a victim. :~
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I think intelligent people could pick up on what you meant. Of course, you how that goes. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Exactly. I spelled it out for the benefit of others reading the thread, not yours. It's sad when you have to be that paranoid to express anything at all these days out of fear of offending anyone. It's one of many reasons I'm not on social networks that have a wide audience, like Twatter or Facebook. There's relatively few Karens here on CP. :-)
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Maybe not. But people are paying extra for the “Full self-driving” feature, expecting that is what it means and fail to read the small print full of weasel words. And that is what causes the fatal and non-fatal accidents. And the weasel words protect Elon Musk. By the way, since “Full self-driving” is a software, it is not transferable from one Tesla owner to the next! That gives me an idea: if power steering, power brakes, cruise control can be enabled/disabled by software which merely trips a circuit, car manufacturers can disable the function when the vehicle is sold in the used-car market and charge for enabling it again!
Vivi Chellappa wrote:
But people are paying extra for the “Full self-driving” feature, expecting that is what it means and fail to read the small print full of weasel words.
That's their mistake. Governments all over the world have called out Tesla multiple times on this. They don't recognize it as such, and neither should consumers. All car company ads claim theirs is the best. They can't all be right. But I don't get all huffy and puffy when I hear it and I know it's not true. It's called marketing.
Vivi Chellappa wrote:
By the way, since “Full self-driving” is a software, it is not transferable from one Tesla owner to the next!
I'm not gonna say you're wrong, but I would welcome a link to Tesla's EULA or equivalent that spells this out.
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Well, just to keep this short and fun... :laugh: Mike Tyson doesn't know first thing about money man. He's a boxer who spent it all. A lot of celebrities are like that. Not all, but a lot. They may not be the best examples of someone who knows about money. But, I totally want to see that Jake Paul fight. :laugh: Anywho, it's perfectly ok to not be an entrepreneur. There's so many stigmas out there over everything. Like, I know for me that running a business is boring. After the novelty wore off it became so hard to do the same things over and over again. It's not who I am. I'm a creative. We need both types in the world. Without creatives we don't have new. Without those can just do, nothing gets done. So, if I go into a business again, it'll have to be with enough money to hire peeps so I don't jump off a bridge from boredom. All this to say, the world needs all different types of people. Oh, and I upvoted you. Because we totally disagreed and kept it friendly. Maybe we'll start a trend. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So, if I go into a business again, it'll have to be with enough money to hire peeps so I don't jump off a bridge from boredom.
Another way to say that money helps a lot when starting something (what I actually said before :rolleyes: ;P :laugh: )
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
All this to say, the world needs all different types of people.
If we all were the same it would be boring as hell, but I sometimes think so much variety is neither the best option.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
we totally disagreed and kept it friendly.
:thumbsup:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So, if I go into a business again, it'll have to be with enough money to hire peeps so I don't jump off a bridge from boredom.
Another way to say that money helps a lot when starting something (what I actually said before :rolleyes: ;P :laugh: )
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
All this to say, the world needs all different types of people.
If we all were the same it would be boring as hell, but I sometimes think so much variety is neither the best option.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
we totally disagreed and kept it friendly.
:thumbsup:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
Another way to say that money helps a lot when starting something (what I actually said before
We're going to have to disagree on this man. But, let me leave you with this... if you say you can or can't... you're right. IMO you need to talk to more winners rather than argue with them. Please take this in the spirit it's intended.
Nelek wrote:
If we all were the same it would be boring as hell, but I sometimes think so much variety is neither the best option.
Tru dat, man.
Jeremy Falcon
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Nelek wrote:
Another way to say that money helps a lot when starting something (what I actually said before
We're going to have to disagree on this man. But, let me leave you with this... if you say you can or can't... you're right. IMO you need to talk to more winners rather than argue with them. Please take this in the spirit it's intended.
Nelek wrote:
If we all were the same it would be boring as hell, but I sometimes think so much variety is neither the best option.
Tru dat, man.
Jeremy Falcon
It was more to tease you than anything else. I think this thread already had given its fruits and it is a good moment to stop it here. Let's hijack another thread, when an interesting point is made ;) ;P :-D
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.