Wow, just had an interesting conversation with my daughter about quitting jobs
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The guilt and attachment about quitting is stressing her. I get it, I never left a company, I left friends and workers. But I see the same cancer in my thought process from 30 years ago raging through her, and this is her first job. When I was trying to decide to retire my "boss" actually very very good friend told me, "You don't worry about billion dollar corporations. We're too old for that shit." So, you youngsters I'm telling you now, you live in a mercenary world. Don't forget it. Avoid buying into this corporate "we're all family" bull$hit. As soon as you can, start your own business. Going to stop now. I'm angry.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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The guilt and attachment about quitting is stressing her. I get it, I never left a company, I left friends and workers. But I see the same cancer in my thought process from 30 years ago raging through her, and this is her first job. When I was trying to decide to retire my "boss" actually very very good friend told me, "You don't worry about billion dollar corporations. We're too old for that shit." So, you youngsters I'm telling you now, you live in a mercenary world. Don't forget it. Avoid buying into this corporate "we're all family" bull$hit. As soon as you can, start your own business. Going to stop now. I'm angry.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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The guilt and attachment about quitting is stressing her. I get it, I never left a company, I left friends and workers. But I see the same cancer in my thought process from 30 years ago raging through her, and this is her first job. When I was trying to decide to retire my "boss" actually very very good friend told me, "You don't worry about billion dollar corporations. We're too old for that shit." So, you youngsters I'm telling you now, you live in a mercenary world. Don't forget it. Avoid buying into this corporate "we're all family" bull$hit. As soon as you can, start your own business. Going to stop now. I'm angry.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
Avoid buying into this corporate "we're all family" bull$hit.
Amen. Corporate is not your friend; they are there to extract the maximum they can from you with minimum compensation.
charlieg wrote:
As soon as you can, start your own business.
This is not necessarily true. Not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur, and not everyone is cut out to run a business. However, if one remains an employee, be mindful of my previous comment. Tell your daughter that leaving employment is a business decision, and emotion should play no part in it. If the business would collapse without her input, she should either be paid a (lot!) more than she currently is, or the owner(s) should be looking to recruit additional experts in her field. If the business cannot afford to employ additional experts, perhaps it has no economic justification. In any case, it is not her concern!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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The guilt and attachment about quitting is stressing her. I get it, I never left a company, I left friends and workers. But I see the same cancer in my thought process from 30 years ago raging through her, and this is her first job. When I was trying to decide to retire my "boss" actually very very good friend told me, "You don't worry about billion dollar corporations. We're too old for that shit." So, you youngsters I'm telling you now, you live in a mercenary world. Don't forget it. Avoid buying into this corporate "we're all family" bull$hit. As soon as you can, start your own business. Going to stop now. I'm angry.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I felt bad the first time: my mentor was a close friend (35 guests at my wedding, his family was 3 of them) and the company took me in as a very green graduate and helped me a lot. The company sucked, they paid a manual labor rate for engineers even after 10 years with them. Second time I felt free: body rental jobs are soul crushing, especially when your competence is wasted to be a figurehead.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
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The guilt and attachment about quitting is stressing her. I get it, I never left a company, I left friends and workers. But I see the same cancer in my thought process from 30 years ago raging through her, and this is her first job. When I was trying to decide to retire my "boss" actually very very good friend told me, "You don't worry about billion dollar corporations. We're too old for that shit." So, you youngsters I'm telling you now, you live in a mercenary world. Don't forget it. Avoid buying into this corporate "we're all family" bull$hit. As soon as you can, start your own business. Going to stop now. I'm angry.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Had the same feeling with my first job. My uncle was one of my employers and it certainly wasn't a billion euro corporation, probably more like a million, if even that. I used to view my employment there as a chance they offered me. They helped me in some way and I had to work there to show them gratitude. At the same time, I felt I probably wasn't good enough to work somewhere else because they were all I knew. I turned my view 360 degrees. They gave me a chance, true, but after that I helped them make money for years. I don't owe any employer anything, just like they don't owe me anything except what was contractually signed (I put in the work and knowledge and they give me salary, vacation, car, etc.). And they owe me because I make them money, which is why they're offering in the first place. Hopefully the giving and taking is in balance, and if it isn't you need to leave. At my second and third job I learned that every workplace has bunglers and I'm better than a lot of them, or at the very least I bring in qualities that benefit other teams as well. I now have my own company and I do my best for my employees, but at the same time I know they don't owe me and they can leave whenever they want. And when they do decide to leave I'll hunt them down and make them pay!!! wish them all the best in their future endeavors :D
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charlieg wrote:
Avoid buying into this corporate "we're all family" bull$hit.
Amen. Corporate is not your friend; they are there to extract the maximum they can from you with minimum compensation.
charlieg wrote:
As soon as you can, start your own business.
This is not necessarily true. Not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur, and not everyone is cut out to run a business. However, if one remains an employee, be mindful of my previous comment. Tell your daughter that leaving employment is a business decision, and emotion should play no part in it. If the business would collapse without her input, she should either be paid a (lot!) more than she currently is, or the owner(s) should be looking to recruit additional experts in her field. If the business cannot afford to employ additional experts, perhaps it has no economic justification. In any case, it is not her concern!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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I felt bad the first time: my mentor was a close friend (35 guests at my wedding, his family was 3 of them) and the company took me in as a very green graduate and helped me a lot. The company sucked, they paid a manual labor rate for engineers even after 10 years with them. Second time I felt free: body rental jobs are soul crushing, especially when your competence is wasted to be a figurehead.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
den2k88 wrote:
they paid a manual labor rate for engineers even after 10 years with them.
Hmmm, that reminds me of my first company. Myself and a buddy of mine - we graduated at the same time - both practically went in together begging for our first jobs in the field, but they only had the budget for one person. We offered to each work for half of the money. The way we both saw it, getting our foot in the door and making names for ourselves was more important than the actual paycheck. They hired us, a few years later we were both working there full-time, then my friend left, but I didn't get much in terms of a raise. It's only when management went through a shuffle and - essentially - another coworker of mine became my boss, reviewed all individual employee files, and told me he was "disgusted" when he found out how little they paid me. Literal quote. I did get a healthy raise that year, and my boss admitted he was aiming at giving me even more but couldn't pull it off "in one go". My salary did increase steadily year after year after that. In hindsight, I did let myself get advantage of at the start. After the first year...and especially after my friend left - I ought to have put my foot down.
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charlieg wrote:
Avoid buying into this corporate "we're all family" bull$hit.
Amen. Corporate is not your friend; they are there to extract the maximum they can from you with minimum compensation.
charlieg wrote:
As soon as you can, start your own business.
This is not necessarily true. Not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur, and not everyone is cut out to run a business. However, if one remains an employee, be mindful of my previous comment. Tell your daughter that leaving employment is a business decision, and emotion should play no part in it. If the business would collapse without her input, she should either be paid a (lot!) more than she currently is, or the owner(s) should be looking to recruit additional experts in her field. If the business cannot afford to employ additional experts, perhaps it has no economic justification. In any case, it is not her concern!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Had the same feeling with my first job. My uncle was one of my employers and it certainly wasn't a billion euro corporation, probably more like a million, if even that. I used to view my employment there as a chance they offered me. They helped me in some way and I had to work there to show them gratitude. At the same time, I felt I probably wasn't good enough to work somewhere else because they were all I knew. I turned my view 360 degrees. They gave me a chance, true, but after that I helped them make money for years. I don't owe any employer anything, just like they don't owe me anything except what was contractually signed (I put in the work and knowledge and they give me salary, vacation, car, etc.). And they owe me because I make them money, which is why they're offering in the first place. Hopefully the giving and taking is in balance, and if it isn't you need to leave. At my second and third job I learned that every workplace has bunglers and I'm better than a lot of them, or at the very least I bring in qualities that benefit other teams as well. I now have my own company and I do my best for my employees, but at the same time I know they don't owe me and they can leave whenever they want. And when they do decide to leave I'll hunt them down and make them pay!!! wish them all the best in their future endeavors :D
Best, Sander Azure DevOps Succinctly (free eBook) Azure Serverless Succinctly (free eBook) Migrating Apps to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript
Are you sure you do not mean 180 degrees.
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The guilt and attachment about quitting is stressing her. I get it, I never left a company, I left friends and workers. But I see the same cancer in my thought process from 30 years ago raging through her, and this is her first job. When I was trying to decide to retire my "boss" actually very very good friend told me, "You don't worry about billion dollar corporations. We're too old for that shit." So, you youngsters I'm telling you now, you live in a mercenary world. Don't forget it. Avoid buying into this corporate "we're all family" bull$hit. As soon as you can, start your own business. Going to stop now. I'm angry.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I tell the youngins' as soon as they start treating you like a friend, keep your hand on your wallet. Your employer is not your friend, no matter how much they want you think they are. Your loyalty to them? What's their loyalty to you? They'd drop you in a NY minute the moment you were not profitable, just like you'd drop them if their paychecks bounced. Don't go down the road of trying to make friends with your bosses. I have had former employers I've been friends with. Key word being "former."
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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charlieg wrote:
Avoid buying into this corporate "we're all family" bull$hit.
Amen. Corporate is not your friend; they are there to extract the maximum they can from you with minimum compensation.
charlieg wrote:
As soon as you can, start your own business.
This is not necessarily true. Not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur, and not everyone is cut out to run a business. However, if one remains an employee, be mindful of my previous comment. Tell your daughter that leaving employment is a business decision, and emotion should play no part in it. If the business would collapse without her input, she should either be paid a (lot!) more than she currently is, or the owner(s) should be looking to recruit additional experts in her field. If the business cannot afford to employ additional experts, perhaps it has no economic justification. In any case, it is not her concern!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
Corporate is not your friend
Get reminded of this hilarious video by a popular Indian comedy youtuber: https://youtu.be/Nivva7G1XFw?si=6PNEam\_URpDaD\_tw
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Had the same feeling with my first job. My uncle was one of my employers and it certainly wasn't a billion euro corporation, probably more like a million, if even that. I used to view my employment there as a chance they offered me. They helped me in some way and I had to work there to show them gratitude. At the same time, I felt I probably wasn't good enough to work somewhere else because they were all I knew. I turned my view 360 degrees. They gave me a chance, true, but after that I helped them make money for years. I don't owe any employer anything, just like they don't owe me anything except what was contractually signed (I put in the work and knowledge and they give me salary, vacation, car, etc.). And they owe me because I make them money, which is why they're offering in the first place. Hopefully the giving and taking is in balance, and if it isn't you need to leave. At my second and third job I learned that every workplace has bunglers and I'm better than a lot of them, or at the very least I bring in qualities that benefit other teams as well. I now have my own company and I do my best for my employees, but at the same time I know they don't owe me and they can leave whenever they want. And when they do decide to leave I'll hunt them down and make them pay!!! wish them all the best in their future endeavors :D
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I used to view my employment there as a chance they offered me. They helped me in some way and I had to work there to show them gratitude. At the same time, I felt I probably wasn't good enough to work somewhere else because they were all I knew.
You summarized my first job accurately.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
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Are you sure you do not mean 180 degrees.
Not if he's back from the start :D
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
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charlieg wrote:
I'm telling you now, you live in a mercenary world.
It's been like that since man first emerged from the primeval slime.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
Corporate is not your friend
Get reminded of this hilarious video by a popular Indian comedy youtuber: https://youtu.be/Nivva7G1XFw?si=6PNEam\_URpDaD\_tw
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I tell the youngins' as soon as they start treating you like a friend, keep your hand on your wallet. Your employer is not your friend, no matter how much they want you think they are. Your loyalty to them? What's their loyalty to you? They'd drop you in a NY minute the moment you were not profitable, just like you'd drop them if their paychecks bounced. Don't go down the road of trying to make friends with your bosses. I have had former employers I've been friends with. Key word being "former."
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Are you sure you do not mean 180 degrees.
No, I'm still going forward ;p
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