CSS is awesome.
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Anyone who hates it doesn't really know it and cannot come up with a better solution to a *declarative* UI descriptor. And it's muuuuuch easier to hate than to learn, now ain't it? Also, anyone who intentionally is provocative to spew hate (out of boredom or some other psychological issue) only wants to drag people down to their level because it's very, very low and misery loves company. Probably has lousy relationships in real life and is generally not liked... except by other hateful people. Happy Friday! May the winners in life have an awesome weekend. You guys rock.
Jeremy Falcon
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Anyone who hates it doesn't really know it and cannot come up with a better solution to a *declarative* UI descriptor. And it's muuuuuch easier to hate than to learn, now ain't it? Also, anyone who intentionally is provocative to spew hate (out of boredom or some other psychological issue) only wants to drag people down to their level because it's very, very low and misery loves company. Probably has lousy relationships in real life and is generally not liked... except by other hateful people. Happy Friday! May the winners in life have an awesome weekend. You guys rock.
Jeremy Falcon
You baited me again. Yay. Good for you. Here's the attention you were after.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Anyone who hates it doesn't really know it and cannot come up with a better solution to a *declarative* UI descriptor. And it's muuuuuch easier to hate than to learn, now ain't it? Also, anyone who intentionally is provocative to spew hate (out of boredom or some other psychological issue) only wants to drag people down to their level because it's very, very low and misery loves company. Probably has lousy relationships in real life and is generally not liked... except by other hateful people. Happy Friday! May the winners in life have an awesome weekend. You guys rock.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy, as a friend I must tell you that some people might consider this post to be trolling.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Anyone who hates it doesn't really know it and cannot come up with a better solution to a *declarative* UI descriptor. And it's muuuuuch easier to hate than to learn, now ain't it? Also, anyone who intentionally is provocative to spew hate (out of boredom or some other psychological issue) only wants to drag people down to their level because it's very, very low and misery loves company. Probably has lousy relationships in real life and is generally not liked... except by other hateful people. Happy Friday! May the winners in life have an awesome weekend. You guys rock.
Jeremy Falcon
You know what's awesome? Just dragging the stuff you want to place into place, including docking containers, and telling stuff to scale/align accordingly and never needing to screw with some esoteric second hand declaration (that quickly goes 3rd and 4th hand) of what you could just directly see and manipulate in real time even if CSS were sitting somewhere under that hood. But what bit of language sits under it doesn't matter because it's the car that matters.
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Anyone who hates it doesn't really know it and cannot come up with a better solution to a *declarative* UI descriptor. And it's muuuuuch easier to hate than to learn, now ain't it? Also, anyone who intentionally is provocative to spew hate (out of boredom or some other psychological issue) only wants to drag people down to their level because it's very, very low and misery loves company. Probably has lousy relationships in real life and is generally not liked... except by other hateful people. Happy Friday! May the winners in life have an awesome weekend. You guys rock.
Jeremy Falcon
I am by no means an expert in CSS. But I agree, it is great for using for doing layouts. I have used it a bit and it is great. But I can also see how it would be a real pain to parse to properly display the intended layout, which I believe the other post you are taking a dig at was talking about. Please keep your personal dislike of others to yourself. You are both great contributers here and I personally enjoy reading both of your stuff. There is a reason why politics and religion are not discussed on this forum, as it tends to drive a wedge between people, so posts like this are also doing the same. You rock also, but please stop this.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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I am by no means an expert in CSS. But I agree, it is great for using for doing layouts. I have used it a bit and it is great. But I can also see how it would be a real pain to parse to properly display the intended layout, which I believe the other post you are taking a dig at was talking about. Please keep your personal dislike of others to yourself. You are both great contributers here and I personally enjoy reading both of your stuff. There is a reason why politics and religion are not discussed on this forum, as it tends to drive a wedge between people, so posts like this are also doing the same. You rock also, but please stop this.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
PJ Arends wrote:
I am by no means an expert in CSS. But I agree, it is great for using for doing layouts. I have used it a bit and it is great. But I can also see how it would be a real pain to parse to properly display the intended layout, which I believe the other post you are taking a dig at was talking about.
As always... a tool is that is very good for a particular task doesn't specially need to remain that good in the moment you need something slightly different.
PJ Arends wrote:
Please keep your personal dislike of others to yourself.
I am happy that this time I read the other messages before posting mine, I like the way you told it :)
PJ Arends wrote:
You are both great contributers here and I personally enjoy reading both of your stuff.
I totally agree
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Jeremy, as a friend I must tell you that some people might consider this post to be trolling.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
I'm not sure if this was a joke about CSS or about me being anti-hate. If it was a joke about CSS then here's the obligatory "ooohhhh snap". If it's about the anti-hate thing, I can totally see that. But, for those that I'd consider winners in life, it's no less trollish to them than having to endure >50% "I hate XYZ because I hate everything" type posts. This is why people I'd consider successful become disenchanted with this place. You talk about what you hate and everyone agrees. You talk about hate being bad and people get upset. Not sure what you meant buddy. :omg:
Jeremy Falcon
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I am by no means an expert in CSS. But I agree, it is great for using for doing layouts. I have used it a bit and it is great. But I can also see how it would be a real pain to parse to properly display the intended layout, which I believe the other post you are taking a dig at was talking about. Please keep your personal dislike of others to yourself. You are both great contributers here and I personally enjoy reading both of your stuff. There is a reason why politics and religion are not discussed on this forum, as it tends to drive a wedge between people, so posts like this are also doing the same. You rock also, but please stop this.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
PJ Arends wrote:
But I can also see how it would be a real pain to parse to properly display the intended layout,
That's with any technology you don't know though. Struggling is one thing, saying you hate something because you don't know it is another. From my perspective, the lounge is where you go to read about "I hate this and that" from people who know little of what they're speaking about. When I'm learning something new, I find it silly to make "hate" my default mindset. And yet, that's what I see a lot of here. It's immature at best.
PJ Arends wrote:
There is a reason why politics and religion are not discussed on this forum, as it tends to drive a wedge between people, so posts like this are also doing the same.
100% agree, man. But even outside the scope of politics, we don't discuss anything of substance here. It's Wordle, something hateful or complaining, or the occasional CCC. Every now and again, someone will talk about a good book something productive, etc. But, that's few and far, far between.
PJ Arends wrote:
You rock also, but please stop this.
Fair enough, I guess I'm to the point where I've seen it all. And it seems the wrong things are what's tolerated. Like immature hatred is cool, as long as you have enough people to agree with your unfounded hate. It's all good. But pointing out that's how losers think... and we can't have that.
Jeremy Falcon
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PJ Arends wrote:
I am by no means an expert in CSS. But I agree, it is great for using for doing layouts. I have used it a bit and it is great. But I can also see how it would be a real pain to parse to properly display the intended layout, which I believe the other post you are taking a dig at was talking about.
As always... a tool is that is very good for a particular task doesn't specially need to remain that good in the moment you need something slightly different.
PJ Arends wrote:
Please keep your personal dislike of others to yourself.
I am happy that this time I read the other messages before posting mine, I like the way you told it :)
PJ Arends wrote:
You are both great contributers here and I personally enjoy reading both of your stuff.
I totally agree
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
I'm upvoting this even though you don't like my post. Why? I know you're not coming from a place of hate, buddy. Even though you think my post is stanky. :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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You know what's awesome? Just dragging the stuff you want to place into place, including docking containers, and telling stuff to scale/align accordingly and never needing to screw with some esoteric second hand declaration (that quickly goes 3rd and 4th hand) of what you could just directly see and manipulate in real time even if CSS were sitting somewhere under that hood. But what bit of language sits under it doesn't matter because it's the car that matters.
Not everything is drag and drop or WYSIWYG... unless you use VB. Not sure what you're getting at. CSS is a descriptor no different than LaTeX or postscript. Saying you can't drag and drop with it has nothing to do with the language itself.
Jeremy Falcon
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Anyone who hates it doesn't really know it and cannot come up with a better solution to a *declarative* UI descriptor. And it's muuuuuch easier to hate than to learn, now ain't it? Also, anyone who intentionally is provocative to spew hate (out of boredom or some other psychological issue) only wants to drag people down to their level because it's very, very low and misery loves company. Probably has lousy relationships in real life and is generally not liked... except by other hateful people. Happy Friday! May the winners in life have an awesome weekend. You guys rock.
Jeremy Falcon
Take it easy, it is weekend ;) Climax Blues Band - The Seventh Son - YouTube[^] Snowy White - The Time Has Come (1994) - YouTube[^]
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Take it easy, it is weekend ;) Climax Blues Band - The Seventh Son - YouTube[^] Snowy White - The Time Has Come (1994) - YouTube[^]
Thanks buddy, hope you have an awesome weekend too.
Jeremy Falcon
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Anyone who hates it doesn't really know it and cannot come up with a better solution to a *declarative* UI descriptor. And it's muuuuuch easier to hate than to learn, now ain't it? Also, anyone who intentionally is provocative to spew hate (out of boredom or some other psychological issue) only wants to drag people down to their level because it's very, very low and misery loves company. Probably has lousy relationships in real life and is generally not liked... except by other hateful people. Happy Friday! May the winners in life have an awesome weekend. You guys rock.
Jeremy Falcon
While I still don't quite understand what's 'cascading' in CSS, agree that it has a transformational magic which brightens up a bland HTML page.
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While I still don't quite understand what's 'cascading' in CSS, agree that it has a transformational magic which brightens up a bland HTML page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS says[^]:
The name cascading comes from the specified priority scheme to determine which declaration applies if more than one declaration of a property match a particular element. This cascading priority scheme is predictable.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Anyone who hates it doesn't really know it and cannot come up with a better solution to a *declarative* UI descriptor. And it's muuuuuch easier to hate than to learn, now ain't it? Also, anyone who intentionally is provocative to spew hate (out of boredom or some other psychological issue) only wants to drag people down to their level because it's very, very low and misery loves company. Probably has lousy relationships in real life and is generally not liked... except by other hateful people. Happy Friday! May the winners in life have an awesome weekend. You guys rock.
Jeremy Falcon
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Anyone who hates it doesn't really know it and cannot come up with a better solution to a *declarative* UI descriptor. And it's muuuuuch easier to hate than to learn, now ain't it? Also, anyone who intentionally is provocative to spew hate (out of boredom or some other psychological issue) only wants to drag people down to their level because it's very, very low and misery loves company. Probably has lousy relationships in real life and is generally not liked... except by other hateful people. Happy Friday! May the winners in life have an awesome weekend. You guys rock.
Jeremy Falcon
It's not CSS that I hate, it's the fact that we have to compensate for the different browsers because their implementers can't agree not to step outside established standards. After 30 years of hearing peoples complains, they still seem to think that coloring outside the lines is a valid way to one-up the other browsers.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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While I still don't quite understand what's 'cascading' in CSS, agree that it has a transformational magic which brightens up a bland HTML page.
It refers to the specificity rules it follows, which is usually what trips most people up. But, that's also usually because peeps don't read the manual before they say CSS sucks. CSS is awesome.
Jeremy Falcon
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My favorite thing about CSS is how it spits in the face of the "Single Responsibility Principle". I would argue that CSS is not a UI descriptor. CSS has no structural aspects - it alters existing structures, it doesn't declare/describe them.
Gwyll wrote:
My favorite thing about CSS is how it spits in the face of the "Single Responsibility Principle".
No it doesn't. You just don't understand the hieracy of the DOM or specicficity. What I love is people that choose to hate something they know nothing about.
Gwyll wrote:
I would argue that CSS is not a UI descriptor. CSS has no structural aspects - it alters existing structures, it doesn't declare/describe them.
It is. You should read up on what a descriptor is. You don't have to declare to fit that definition... [Data descriptor - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data\_descriptor) Also, it does have structures and describes things. Clearly you don't know anything about pseudo elements, transformations, animation, etc. I've been "arguing" with devs online for 30 years. All with people who know nothing of what they're arguing about. So, sorry if I sound jaded, but again I've been arguing with devs online for 30 years who know nothing of what they're arguing about...
Jeremy Falcon
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It's not CSS that I hate, it's the fact that we have to compensate for the different browsers because their implementers can't agree not to step outside established standards. After 30 years of hearing peoples complains, they still seem to think that coloring outside the lines is a valid way to one-up the other browsers.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I totally agree with that. I don't blame CSS for that though, I blame Microsoft, Apple, Mozilla, etc. And I certainly don't think it justifies perpetual hatred. The good news is it's sooooooo much better these days in regards to browser compatibility. A lot easier. These youngins just don't know how easy they have it. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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I'm upvoting this even though you don't like my post. Why? I know you're not coming from a place of hate, buddy. Even though you think my post is stanky. :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
Thanks for the confidence, and yes, you are right, I am not "hating you". But I know you know you are sometimes (being optmimistic here ;) )a bit polemic (and I think you even like it) and this time is one of those. It is not always what you say, but how you say it. I am not sure if you will search / try it, but I think you would profit a lot from "non violent / Mindful communication". I for sure am doing it, it needs a process, but it helps to reduce verrbal fights without needing to reduce your "saying what you want to say"
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
