We deserve better than this WTF is going on
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We deserve better than this WTF is going on [Whats going on](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVD-O8GGYzE)
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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We deserve better than this WTF is going on [Whats going on](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVD-O8GGYzE)
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
I harken back to when I mentioned not too long about how the site has been neglected over the years. Either CP doesn't have the budget to staff up this place or they don't have the desire. It's made obvious by the lack of site updates. Of course, as usual I got arguments by those who know little of the web when I say this. But, that's not the only tale tell sign. Their business model hasn't evolved in years either. At least from what I've seen. And sure if it ain't broke don't fix it. But, if it's not staffed then it's broken. And I could again elaborate as to why, but again, I'm tired of arguing with people that have zero experience. And, I'm sure recent economic changes haven't helped either. All of this is to say, the only surprising thing here is that people are surprised. There have been forum thread bugs forever, people don't ask or answer questions in the forums for months. I mean... how many signs people need? Why is this a shock? Now, does this mean CP will die? Not necessarily. It's still one of the best self-publishing sites out there. It does mean it's at an inflection point though. It also means, only a handful of people use the lounge and the vast majority of the peeps that use this site do not. (This is where someone argues that staff _should_ visit the lounge as if I haven't thought of that). P.S. Sorry if I sound jaded, but y'all already know I'm grumpy and poopy. :laugh: :laugh: Let's just say years of arguing online with those who never leave the computer room to experience life or learn got to me.
Jeremy Falcon
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We deserve better than this WTF is going on [Whats going on](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVD-O8GGYzE)
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
Oh and I said it before and I'll say it again, personally the only thing I care about is Chris' happiness. What he built is amazing but he's more important than CP... if that makes sense. I'm glad he's finding new journeys and a passion for health. More peeps here should follow his lead the way I see it. The deciding factor on whether someone else picks up the CP torch is revenue. Someone new coming in won't have the emotional attachment to it we do. Edit: Oh, and I say this as a dude who's been here since day 1... check my user ID... it's 104. I remember before we had user IDs and they got assigned. So, this site has been a part of my life too. But, I'm still happy for Chris and hope he finds what he's looking for.
Jeremy Falcon
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We deserve better than this WTF is going on [Whats going on](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVD-O8GGYzE)
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
pk and all, Maybe a bit more info? I read the part about Chris adjusting his focus, and we have to respect that. I'm chronically anemic at this point in my life, but I'm not dead yet. In my own life, I have found that work is the LEAST stressful to me, so there may be other issues we don't know about. That said.... Maybe it's a time for a group hug sort of thing. Businesses like CP don't happen from a meeting where everyone agrees and its kumbaya. It comes from passion, a huge amount of hard work (x3), and no, we're not going to do that decision making. A lot of us here are old-farts that have retired and run hard all of our lives. Looking at you Hankey ;). Can we preserve the culture? That's what makes CP. God forbid it would ever look like stack*******. Is Chris looking to sell?
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We deserve better than this WTF is going on [Whats going on](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVD-O8GGYzE)
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
pkfox wrote:
We deserve better than this WTF is going on
I don't know of anyone who knows what's going on. With that said, I think it's important that we avoid jumping to conclusions without possessing the knowledge required to form a rational conclusion. I don't have the knowledge to assert what I think is happening, but I would like to share with you a vague guess that may be of some insight. Is the site being sold to a third party? My guess is that it's within the realm of possibility. If a transfer of ownership is what's happening, it's possible that one or both parties involved in the transaction are bound by written agreements that legally prohibit the disclosure of information regarding the transfer of ownership. I've bought and sold business assets many times in the past. For whatever reason (there could be a million different ones), legal agreements require one, or both parties of a transaction to withhold disclosure of information to third parties. Often, it has to do with trademark and branding interests. Sometimes it has to do with keeping important information from competitors. Whatever the reason for non-disclosure of information may be, it's very common for those involved in a transaction to keep a lid on things. Keep in mind, I'm only guessing, but the point I'm trying to get across is that we don't have enough information to assert that the reason behind the secrecy is to spite us. It may just be in the interest of either party in a transaction. For now, that's what I'm going to guess. It's just a vague guess, and nothing more. Hence, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to those dealing directly with the situation at hand. I think we should choose the high road on this one unless we have solid reason to believe otherwise. Who knows, maybe all we need to do is ask. It may achieve something more sound than discussing suppositions in a public forum, IMHO.
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pkfox wrote:
We deserve better than this WTF is going on
I don't know of anyone who knows what's going on. With that said, I think it's important that we avoid jumping to conclusions without possessing the knowledge required to form a rational conclusion. I don't have the knowledge to assert what I think is happening, but I would like to share with you a vague guess that may be of some insight. Is the site being sold to a third party? My guess is that it's within the realm of possibility. If a transfer of ownership is what's happening, it's possible that one or both parties involved in the transaction are bound by written agreements that legally prohibit the disclosure of information regarding the transfer of ownership. I've bought and sold business assets many times in the past. For whatever reason (there could be a million different ones), legal agreements require one, or both parties of a transaction to withhold disclosure of information to third parties. Often, it has to do with trademark and branding interests. Sometimes it has to do with keeping important information from competitors. Whatever the reason for non-disclosure of information may be, it's very common for those involved in a transaction to keep a lid on things. Keep in mind, I'm only guessing, but the point I'm trying to get across is that we don't have enough information to assert that the reason behind the secrecy is to spite us. It may just be in the interest of either party in a transaction. For now, that's what I'm going to guess. It's just a vague guess, and nothing more. Hence, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to those dealing directly with the situation at hand. I think we should choose the high road on this one unless we have solid reason to believe otherwise. Who knows, maybe all we need to do is ask. It may achieve something more sound than discussing suppositions in a public forum, IMHO.
A number of people have asked, but to no avail. Hence the speculation and feelings of abandonment. If it's a sale, the current situation does no one any good. It's not like all the details have to be shared. If it's that the site is no longer viable and it's being shopped around, same thing.
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I harken back to when I mentioned not too long about how the site has been neglected over the years. Either CP doesn't have the budget to staff up this place or they don't have the desire. It's made obvious by the lack of site updates. Of course, as usual I got arguments by those who know little of the web when I say this. But, that's not the only tale tell sign. Their business model hasn't evolved in years either. At least from what I've seen. And sure if it ain't broke don't fix it. But, if it's not staffed then it's broken. And I could again elaborate as to why, but again, I'm tired of arguing with people that have zero experience. And, I'm sure recent economic changes haven't helped either. All of this is to say, the only surprising thing here is that people are surprised. There have been forum thread bugs forever, people don't ask or answer questions in the forums for months. I mean... how many signs people need? Why is this a shock? Now, does this mean CP will die? Not necessarily. It's still one of the best self-publishing sites out there. It does mean it's at an inflection point though. It also means, only a handful of people use the lounge and the vast majority of the peeps that use this site do not. (This is where someone argues that staff _should_ visit the lounge as if I haven't thought of that). P.S. Sorry if I sound jaded, but y'all already know I'm grumpy and poopy. :laugh: :laugh: Let's just say years of arguing online with those who never leave the computer room to experience life or learn got to me.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy..................Go take a walk.........get some fresh air. We, The People are stll here.
Ha ha ha. Yeah, sorry... as you can tell I've gotten years of "pent up"-ness from doing nothing about arguing here. It's always by people that have done nothing in life, are immature or uneducated, hateful, etc. I need better friends. :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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pkfox wrote:
We deserve better than this WTF is going on
I don't know of anyone who knows what's going on. With that said, I think it's important that we avoid jumping to conclusions without possessing the knowledge required to form a rational conclusion. I don't have the knowledge to assert what I think is happening, but I would like to share with you a vague guess that may be of some insight. Is the site being sold to a third party? My guess is that it's within the realm of possibility. If a transfer of ownership is what's happening, it's possible that one or both parties involved in the transaction are bound by written agreements that legally prohibit the disclosure of information regarding the transfer of ownership. I've bought and sold business assets many times in the past. For whatever reason (there could be a million different ones), legal agreements require one, or both parties of a transaction to withhold disclosure of information to third parties. Often, it has to do with trademark and branding interests. Sometimes it has to do with keeping important information from competitors. Whatever the reason for non-disclosure of information may be, it's very common for those involved in a transaction to keep a lid on things. Keep in mind, I'm only guessing, but the point I'm trying to get across is that we don't have enough information to assert that the reason behind the secrecy is to spite us. It may just be in the interest of either party in a transaction. For now, that's what I'm going to guess. It's just a vague guess, and nothing more. Hence, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to those dealing directly with the situation at hand. I think we should choose the high road on this one unless we have solid reason to believe otherwise. Who knows, maybe all we need to do is ask. It may achieve something more sound than discussing suppositions in a public forum, IMHO.
