Let's Help Dave
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Let's all pitch in to help our fellow member @DavesApps. He's making an honest effort to gather reviews for a book he has authored. I think it would be a nice thing to do for a fellow member in need of assistance. I know that if I were in Dave's position, I'd really appreciate the help. His thread is located, here: Dave's Book Review Thread[^]
He posted the publication of his book in his personal forum on
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Friday, April 28, 2023 4:01am by DavesApps
Would it have been a: I am finishing my book and I would like to have some feedback, interested people contact me and I will send you a wartermarked copy of it to evaluate per email... I would have had no problems at all with that. Even with the same message posting the link to a brand new amazon book. Publishing the link almost 18 months later... For me, that's not a legitime use-case anymore. In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse. And you are getting really close to the limit of what I consider trolling. I ask you to stop, please.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Dave, it's OK. Please don't run away. No one is trying to hurt your feelings. These gentlemen are just being silly.
theoldfool wrote:
Good, maybe he will get upset and go away
If you made him cry and run away, I blame it on you. :|
Ah, the Clive Cussler technique... (It's obvious, you are Dave.)
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Clive Cussler, the renowned adventure novelist, had an interesting and somewhat unconventional start to his literary career. When he finished his manuscripts for “The Mediterranean Caper” and “Iceberg,” he struggled to find a literary agent. To overcome this, he created a fictional literary agency called "The Charles Winthrop Agency"1. Cussler went as far as purchasing a thousand sheets of blank letter paper and having a friend design a logo for his fake agency. He then sent out letters to real literary agents, including Peter Lampack of the William Morris Agency, pretending to be a representative of this non-existent agency12. His creative approach paid off, and he eventually secured representation, which helped launch his successful writing career.
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Ah, the Clive Cussler technique... (It's obvious, you are Dave.)
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Clive Cussler, the renowned adventure novelist, had an interesting and somewhat unconventional start to his literary career. When he finished his manuscripts for “The Mediterranean Caper” and “Iceberg,” he struggled to find a literary agent. To overcome this, he created a fictional literary agency called "The Charles Winthrop Agency"1. Cussler went as far as purchasing a thousand sheets of blank letter paper and having a friend design a logo for his fake agency. He then sent out letters to real literary agents, including Peter Lampack of the William Morris Agency, pretending to be a representative of this non-existent agency12. His creative approach paid off, and he eventually secured representation, which helped launch his successful writing career.
raddevus wrote:
Ah, the Clive Cussler technique... (It's obvious, you are Dave.)
LOL, no, I'm not Dave! :laugh: I've never heard of this "Clive Cluster" technique. The thing is, I have years of experience managing advertising campaigns for Fortune 1000 companies. Given my experience, I know how to gather exposure in way that is not only appropriate and ethical, but also cost-monetarily efficient. Dave didn't acquire more than a couple hundred views on his book review requests. The way in which he pitched his request indicates to me that he has minimal experience and knowledge in how to properly promote a product, or service. I don't mean this to be any sort of derogatory statement toward Dave, but I must be honest. When it comes to marketing and advertising, I don't believe Dave has much of a clue. From what I gather, he's trying to do the best he can with what he has. I hope that in the future he will make the effort to learn how to advertise in a way that is effective and ethical. I'm only playing with Dave. I have absolutely no intent of inflicting insult, grief, or harm to anyone whatsoever, including Dave vimself. If anything, I hope that Dave picked up on the fact that there are proper ways in which to advertise, and promote his work effectively. I'm amused by your insinuation, but no worries. By no means is that assumption correct in any way. I do understand how someone may come to reason that I could be Dave, but I'm not Dave. If you were to name any 12 Fortune 1000 companies, or perhaps more specifically, the top 100 companies in the list, you will most likely name one or more of my past clients. Most of my clients have million-dollar budgets, and it was my responsibility to help them make the most out of their investments. I swear, I'm not Dave, and I've never met him. I was just playing with him for laughs, nothing more. :-D
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He posted the publication of his book in his personal forum on
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Friday, April 28, 2023 4:01am by DavesApps
Would it have been a: I am finishing my book and I would like to have some feedback, interested people contact me and I will send you a wartermarked copy of it to evaluate per email... I would have had no problems at all with that. Even with the same message posting the link to a brand new amazon book. Publishing the link almost 18 months later... For me, that's not a legitime use-case anymore. In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse. And you are getting really close to the limit of what I consider trolling. I ask you to stop, please.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Yes, I understand. That's well said. If Dave had communicated his request in a genuine way, and not in a way that violates the rules of this forum, it may have been OK. I too enjoy sharing with others what projects I may be working on, and people may come to the incorrect conclusion about what my intentions are in doing so. In sharing my work, there's no benefit to me in any way. If I were looking to gain something by sharing my work, then I would advertise it properly. As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm well experienced in advertising and marketing. I've managed marketing and advertising campaigns for Fortune 1000 companies with million-dollar budgets. I know how to get the word out in the proper way.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse.
I understand. I think if Dave's post was out-of-line to the extent that it required deletion, then it would have been removed very early on. That would send the message to me that my joking around isn't appreciated.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse. And you are getting really close to the limit of what I consider trolling. I ask you to stop, please.
Certainly. As soon as I saw that others didn't see the humor in my playing around with Dave, and the word "troll" was brought up, I discontinued everything. I apologize to anyone who may have not appreciated my playing around with poor Dave. It was all in jest, and I certainly can't expect everyone to find humor in what I'm doing. This site has members from all over the world. It's a well-establish fact that in large part, someone in country "A" will find no humor (or even find offense) in what someone from country "B" finds to be hilarious. Add on the fact that textual communication strips out 80% of all language that would be conveyed in comparison to what a face-to-face interaction provides to its participants, and that's how problems start. Hence, any attempt at humor in this environment is bound to result in friction most of the time, regardless of context. If I ever get to a point where it's more of an annoyance than an expression of humor, then I stop. That's my rule. It can be a blurred line, and once I realize that it's unwelcome behavior to others, it loses its humor to me. I'm not out to cause trouble, str
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Yes, I understand. That's well said. If Dave had communicated his request in a genuine way, and not in a way that violates the rules of this forum, it may have been OK. I too enjoy sharing with others what projects I may be working on, and people may come to the incorrect conclusion about what my intentions are in doing so. In sharing my work, there's no benefit to me in any way. If I were looking to gain something by sharing my work, then I would advertise it properly. As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm well experienced in advertising and marketing. I've managed marketing and advertising campaigns for Fortune 1000 companies with million-dollar budgets. I know how to get the word out in the proper way.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse.
I understand. I think if Dave's post was out-of-line to the extent that it required deletion, then it would have been removed very early on. That would send the message to me that my joking around isn't appreciated.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse. And you are getting really close to the limit of what I consider trolling. I ask you to stop, please.
Certainly. As soon as I saw that others didn't see the humor in my playing around with Dave, and the word "troll" was brought up, I discontinued everything. I apologize to anyone who may have not appreciated my playing around with poor Dave. It was all in jest, and I certainly can't expect everyone to find humor in what I'm doing. This site has members from all over the world. It's a well-establish fact that in large part, someone in country "A" will find no humor (or even find offense) in what someone from country "B" finds to be hilarious. Add on the fact that textual communication strips out 80% of all language that would be conveyed in comparison to what a face-to-face interaction provides to its participants, and that's how problems start. Hence, any attempt at humor in this environment is bound to result in friction most of the time, regardless of context. If I ever get to a point where it's more of an annoyance than an expression of humor, then I stop. That's my rule. It can be a blurred line, and once I realize that it's unwelcome behavior to others, it loses its humor to me. I'm not out to cause trouble, str
Steve Raw wrote:
Add on the fact that textual communication strips out 80% of all language that would be conveyed in comparison to what a face-to-face interaction provides to its participants, and that's how problems start.
you still have enough ways to show "your intentions" in text if you are an experienced internet user (what I presuppose you are), and you missed all / didn't use any of them. If you want to make jokes, or sarcastic comments... use the textual signs to compensate the missin paraverbal and non verbal information.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Yes, I understand. That's well said. If Dave had communicated his request in a genuine way, and not in a way that violates the rules of this forum, it may have been OK. I too enjoy sharing with others what projects I may be working on, and people may come to the incorrect conclusion about what my intentions are in doing so. In sharing my work, there's no benefit to me in any way. If I were looking to gain something by sharing my work, then I would advertise it properly. As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm well experienced in advertising and marketing. I've managed marketing and advertising campaigns for Fortune 1000 companies with million-dollar budgets. I know how to get the word out in the proper way.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse.
I understand. I think if Dave's post was out-of-line to the extent that it required deletion, then it would have been removed very early on. That would send the message to me that my joking around isn't appreciated.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse. And you are getting really close to the limit of what I consider trolling. I ask you to stop, please.
Certainly. As soon as I saw that others didn't see the humor in my playing around with Dave, and the word "troll" was brought up, I discontinued everything. I apologize to anyone who may have not appreciated my playing around with poor Dave. It was all in jest, and I certainly can't expect everyone to find humor in what I'm doing. This site has members from all over the world. It's a well-establish fact that in large part, someone in country "A" will find no humor (or even find offense) in what someone from country "B" finds to be hilarious. Add on the fact that textual communication strips out 80% of all language that would be conveyed in comparison to what a face-to-face interaction provides to its participants, and that's how problems start. Hence, any attempt at humor in this environment is bound to result in friction most of the time, regardless of context. If I ever get to a point where it's more of an annoyance than an expression of humor, then I stop. That's my rule. It can be a blurred line, and once I realize that it's unwelcome behavior to others, it loses its humor to me. I'm not out to cause trouble, str
Steve Raw wrote:
someone in country "A" will find no humor (or even find offense) in what someone from country "B" finds to be hilarious.
You now made me curious... are you from the U.S.A. as your profile says? Or do you come from somewhere else? (where?)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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raddevus wrote:
Ah, the Clive Cussler technique... (It's obvious, you are Dave.)
LOL, no, I'm not Dave! :laugh: I've never heard of this "Clive Cluster" technique. The thing is, I have years of experience managing advertising campaigns for Fortune 1000 companies. Given my experience, I know how to gather exposure in way that is not only appropriate and ethical, but also cost-monetarily efficient. Dave didn't acquire more than a couple hundred views on his book review requests. The way in which he pitched his request indicates to me that he has minimal experience and knowledge in how to properly promote a product, or service. I don't mean this to be any sort of derogatory statement toward Dave, but I must be honest. When it comes to marketing and advertising, I don't believe Dave has much of a clue. From what I gather, he's trying to do the best he can with what he has. I hope that in the future he will make the effort to learn how to advertise in a way that is effective and ethical. I'm only playing with Dave. I have absolutely no intent of inflicting insult, grief, or harm to anyone whatsoever, including Dave vimself. If anything, I hope that Dave picked up on the fact that there are proper ways in which to advertise, and promote his work effectively. I'm amused by your insinuation, but no worries. By no means is that assumption correct in any way. I do understand how someone may come to reason that I could be Dave, but I'm not Dave. If you were to name any 12 Fortune 1000 companies, or perhaps more specifically, the top 100 companies in the list, you will most likely name one or more of my past clients. Most of my clients have million-dollar budgets, and it was my responsibility to help them make the most out of their investments. I swear, I'm not Dave, and I've never met him. I was just playing with him for laughs, nothing more. :-D
(If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so. Then you say you were playing with him. Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!' But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be. And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread. It is hard to take you seriously after these actions. It is incredibly difficult to believe that you are not Dave, even though you refute the idea. (In the future, maybe think a bit more before jumping in head over heels like this. You diminish yourself with actions such as these.)
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(If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so. Then you say you were playing with him. Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!' But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be. And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread. It is hard to take you seriously after these actions. It is incredibly difficult to believe that you are not Dave, even though you refute the idea. (In the future, maybe think a bit more before jumping in head over heels like this. You diminish yourself with actions such as these.)
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David O'Neil wrote:
difficult to believe that you are not Dave
or StevieWondermann - Professional Profile[^] it would seem.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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(If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so. Then you say you were playing with him. Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!' But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be. And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread. It is hard to take you seriously after these actions. It is incredibly difficult to believe that you are not Dave, even though you refute the idea. (In the future, maybe think a bit more before jumping in head over heels like this. You diminish yourself with actions such as these.)
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I do not think both accounts are the same user, in all the rest... I agree 150%
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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(If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so. Then you say you were playing with him. Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!' But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be. And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread. It is hard to take you seriously after these actions. It is incredibly difficult to believe that you are not Dave, even though you refute the idea. (In the future, maybe think a bit more before jumping in head over heels like this. You diminish yourself with actions such as these.)
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David O'Neil wrote:
First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so. Then you say you were playing with him. Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!' But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be. And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread. It is hard to take you seriously after these actions. It is incredibly difficult to believe that you are not Dave, even though you refute the idea.
LOL,
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(If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so. Then you say you were playing with him. Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!' But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be. And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread. It is hard to take you seriously after these actions. It is incredibly difficult to believe that you are not Dave, even though you refute the idea. (In the future, maybe think a bit more before jumping in head over heels like this. You diminish yourself with actions such as these.)
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David O'Neil wrote:
If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot.
If that's how someone prefers to see me, that's fine. Has anyone ever had a conversation with me? Has anyone met me in person? How much can you know about a person based on a fraction of 400 forum posts that I've posted in an Internet forum? What percentage of my posts convey that I am a pompous idiot? Perhaps less than a dozen. Do a dozen stupid posts negate every other quality post I've made? With such a minuscule amount of information to go on, do you really believe that an informed, rational, and accurate assessment of who I am can be determined by anyone? Of course not. For someone to jump to such conclusions would require a great deal of imagination and baseless assumptions. That level of faulty thinking borders on delusion with a complete absence of critical thinking. I find it to be ironic. That's the purest demonstration of what a pompous idiot truly is. And for me to care about what such a person thinks about me? I care more about what an insect thinks about me than I ever could about someone so profoundly foolish. If it weren't so pathetic, it would be hilarious. Yet for a human being to conjure up such an absurd idea? Well, that's truly sad.
David O'Neil wrote:
First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so.
Yes. In what way does that disprove that I was NOT playing with Dave?
David O'Neil wrote:
Then you say you were playing with him.
That makes perfect sense, I was playing with Dave. You need not point out the obvious.
David O'Neil wrote:
Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!'
What evidence can you present that proves my statement to be false?
David O'Neil wrote:
But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be.
I didn't? OK, once again... provide me with inarguable evidence that proves you know what thoughts were going through my mind.
David O'Neil wrote:
And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread.
Yes, I am indeed an awful and vindictive sociopath. Posting a public apology is certainly
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Steve Raw wrote:
Add on the fact that textual communication strips out 80% of all language that would be conveyed in comparison to what a face-to-face interaction provides to its participants, and that's how problems start.
you still have enough ways to show "your intentions" in text if you are an experienced internet user (what I presuppose you are), and you missed all / didn't use any of them. If you want to make jokes, or sarcastic comments... use the textual signs to compensate the missin paraverbal and non verbal information.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
you still have enough ways to show "your intentions" in text if you are an experienced internet user (what I presuppose you are), and you missed all / didn't use any of them.
So, because you failed to comprehend the humor, that makes it my fault for not following your guidelines?
Nelek wrote:
If you want to make jokes, or sarcastic comments... use the textual signs to compensate the missin paraverbal and non verbal information.
...And it's my fault that you didn't pick up on the humor? Since when is it my responsibility to provide you with textual signs to compensate for your inability to properly comprehend what is being said?
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Steve Raw wrote:
someone in country "A" will find no humor (or even find offense) in what someone from country "B" finds to be hilarious.
You now made me curious... are you from the U.S.A. as your profile says? Or do you come from somewhere else? (where?)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
You now made me curious... are you from the U.S.A. as your profile says? Or do you come from somewhere else? (where?)
I was born in the U.S.A., but I've also spent around 5 years in Canada, a year in England, and I estimate that I've been to Mexico at least 300 times, but most of those visits were day trips. From my own experience, I can say with confidence that different countries have completely different views on what is seen to be funny. I'm sure if you search Google, you will find information on a worldwide case study that was performed to determine the extent to which this phenomenon exists. I was surprised to see that there's such a significant difference between countries when it comes to what is deemed funny, vs. not funny.
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Nelek wrote:
You now made me curious... are you from the U.S.A. as your profile says? Or do you come from somewhere else? (where?)
I was born in the U.S.A., but I've also spent around 5 years in Canada, a year in England, and I estimate that I've been to Mexico at least 300 times, but most of those visits were day trips. From my own experience, I can say with confidence that different countries have completely different views on what is seen to be funny. I'm sure if you search Google, you will find information on a worldwide case study that was performed to determine the extent to which this phenomenon exists. I was surprised to see that there's such a significant difference between countries when it comes to what is deemed funny, vs. not funny.
Steve Raw wrote:
I was born in the U.S.A., but I've also spent around 5 years in Canada, a year in England, and I estimate that I've been to Mexico at least 300 times, but most of those visits were day trips.
I was born in spain, now living in germany, worked all around europe, short in the Arabs Emirates and around 9 months alltogether (divided in 3,5 actual years) in India, been in Sri Lanka and in Indonesia for around 7 weeks doing a big trip. Have met and lived my end of studies (almost 2 years) with people around the whole world (outside Europe: Finland, Russia, Macedonia, Israel, Taiwan, China, Australia...) and worked for over a year with people from Canada, USA and Mexico in a big project in Germany I would say, yeah! I know that many things in other cultures might be very, very different... i.E. never touch the head of a kid in Indonesia not burping after a good meal when you are invited at someones place (several places) going to fast to the big point of disagreement without 5 to 10 minutes small talk (many places in asia) ... ... not to say about humor... that can already be really different from person to person WITHIN the same country...
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote:
you still have enough ways to show "your intentions" in text if you are an experienced internet user (what I presuppose you are), and you missed all / didn't use any of them.
So, because you failed to comprehend the humor, that makes it my fault for not following your guidelines?
Nelek wrote:
If you want to make jokes, or sarcastic comments... use the textual signs to compensate the missin paraverbal and non verbal information.
...And it's my fault that you didn't pick up on the humor? Since when is it my responsibility to provide you with textual signs to compensate for your inability to properly comprehend what is being said?
Steve Raw wrote:
Since when is it my responsibility to provide you with textual signs to compensate for your inability to properly comprehend what is being said?
Since in written language you are missing 90% of the information (paraverbal and non verbal). It is not my inability to properly comprehend what was being said or what was missing, it was you inability to signalize properly that the goal of the message was a joke. Heck, even native english people took it "wrong". Message receivers can understand the very same message in several different ways, since you are the sender of a message is up to you to clarify the message as good as you can to avoid missunderstandings. Example: At traffic light, light changes and the copilot says: "It changed to green" A simple message that can be understood in several ways, even sitting next to each other having most of the non verbal information.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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David O'Neil wrote:
If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot.
If that's how someone prefers to see me, that's fine. Has anyone ever had a conversation with me? Has anyone met me in person? How much can you know about a person based on a fraction of 400 forum posts that I've posted in an Internet forum? What percentage of my posts convey that I am a pompous idiot? Perhaps less than a dozen. Do a dozen stupid posts negate every other quality post I've made? With such a minuscule amount of information to go on, do you really believe that an informed, rational, and accurate assessment of who I am can be determined by anyone? Of course not. For someone to jump to such conclusions would require a great deal of imagination and baseless assumptions. That level of faulty thinking borders on delusion with a complete absence of critical thinking. I find it to be ironic. That's the purest demonstration of what a pompous idiot truly is. And for me to care about what such a person thinks about me? I care more about what an insect thinks about me than I ever could about someone so profoundly foolish. If it weren't so pathetic, it would be hilarious. Yet for a human being to conjure up such an absurd idea? Well, that's truly sad.
David O'Neil wrote:
First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so.
Yes. In what way does that disprove that I was NOT playing with Dave?
David O'Neil wrote:
Then you say you were playing with him.
That makes perfect sense, I was playing with Dave. You need not point out the obvious.
David O'Neil wrote:
Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!'
What evidence can you present that proves my statement to be false?
David O'Neil wrote:
But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be.
I didn't? OK, once again... provide me with inarguable evidence that proves you know what thoughts were going through my mind.
David O'Neil wrote:
And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread.
Yes, I am indeed an awful and vindictive sociopath. Posting a public apology is certainly
Steve Raw wrote:
If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. If that's how someone prefers to see me, that's fine...
Responses like that reinforce the conclusion. A "thank you for your input" and then shut up would have been a far better response. Best wishes, David
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Steve Raw wrote:
Since when is it my responsibility to provide you with textual signs to compensate for your inability to properly comprehend what is being said?
Since in written language you are missing 90% of the information (paraverbal and non verbal). It is not my inability to properly comprehend what was being said or what was missing, it was you inability to signalize properly that the goal of the message was a joke. Heck, even native english people took it "wrong". Message receivers can understand the very same message in several different ways, since you are the sender of a message is up to you to clarify the message as good as you can to avoid missunderstandings. Example: At traffic light, light changes and the copilot says: "It changed to green" A simple message that can be understood in several ways, even sitting next to each other having most of the non verbal information.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
Since in written language you are missing 90% of the information (paraverbal and non verbal).
Yes, I wish more people knew that. I wish those of us who already do know it would be more mindful when communicating via text. In terms of what you refer to as textual signs, can you explain a little bit more? Is the term "textual sign" an umbrella term for things such as emoticons, abbreviations, and acronyms? There are many cases in which I intentionally omit things like emoticons from messages that I send because my intention is often to convey some ambiguity. If done properly, it can do a lot to enhance the humor of a joke. It's the exact equivalent of how a verbal joke uses perplexity, engagement, and anticipation to greatly enhance the punchline's humor. Emoticons and other symbols can also be detrimental in text-based communication because they can interrupt the flow and disrupt the timing of a joke. Without proper flow and correct timing, a joke will fall flat losing all of its humor.
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Steve Raw wrote:
If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. If that's how someone prefers to see me, that's fine...
Responses like that reinforce the conclusion. A "thank you for your input" and then shut up would have been a far better response. Best wishes, David
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Steve Raw wrote:
If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. If that's how someone prefers to see me, that's fine...
Responses like that reinforce the conclusion. A "thank you for your input" and then shut up would have been a far better response. Best wishes, David
Our Forgotten Astronomy | Object Oriented Programming with C++ | Wordle solver
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Steve Raw wrote:
I was born in the U.S.A., but I've also spent around 5 years in Canada, a year in England, and I estimate that I've been to Mexico at least 300 times, but most of those visits were day trips.
I was born in spain, now living in germany, worked all around europe, short in the Arabs Emirates and around 9 months alltogether (divided in 3,5 actual years) in India, been in Sri Lanka and in Indonesia for around 7 weeks doing a big trip. Have met and lived my end of studies (almost 2 years) with people around the whole world (outside Europe: Finland, Russia, Macedonia, Israel, Taiwan, China, Australia...) and worked for over a year with people from Canada, USA and Mexico in a big project in Germany I would say, yeah! I know that many things in other cultures might be very, very different... i.E. never touch the head of a kid in Indonesia not burping after a good meal when you are invited at someones place (several places) going to fast to the big point of disagreement without 5 to 10 minutes small talk (many places in asia) ... ... not to say about humor... that can already be really different from person to person WITHIN the same country...
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.