Job boards - dice specifically
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As the saying goes, tech brings the world closer together but your neighbors, friends, and family further apart.
Jeremy Falcon
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^ This. It's always been my belief an "influencer"'s 50,000 online friends would probably think they're a jerk IRL.
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I know you think that joke is funny, but it's not. It's ok to be friendly.
Jeremy Falcon
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Alister Morton wrote:
I saw a description recently along the lines of AI enables the wealthy to gain access to skills while denying the skilled access to wealth. Kind of see what they mean.
It's true, but unfortunately in business the labor side of it has never been seen as "valuable" as the business / non-contributor roles. Whether someone agrees with that or not doesn't matter. It is what it is. But from a value perspective, that's how a lot of people think - even if it is shortsighted. As far as AI changing things, can you blame businesses? If you wanted to buy a car and paint it yellow because your customers love yellow cars... and from your perspective it's the same exact car you're buying... either for 3 million and headaches (tech staff) or $30/month... what would you pick? They way I see it is, is that's not so much screwing over the skilled. It's that the required skill set for success is changing. We're not the first generation to see change happen. It's inevitable, you either get with the times or just die out. Circle of life.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
We're not the first generation to see change happen
Is there any generation that didn't see it? (At least in the last 200 Years)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
We're not the first generation to see change happen
Is there any generation that didn't see it? (At least in the last 200 Years)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
Is there any generation that didn't see it?
Probably not. I for one, am glad we don't use outhouses anymore. :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Maybe it's just me. 10 years ago, I would occasionally poke around DICE and it seemed like real people and companies were posting jobs. Now? Not so much. This is what I see on every posting: "Employers have access to artificial intelligence language tools (“AI”) that help generate and enhance job descriptions and AI may have been used to create this description." As soon as you go to dice, you get an immediate idiot pop up "is there something I can help you with?" Don't worry, I'm not picking on dice, so many sites and companies have this turd it is a joke. Worse, most of the HUMANS you talk to after getting through the bot are as dumb as a brick as well. Just didn't want to offend bots out there. The last thing I am going to do is submit anything to a recruiter. Anyone else seeing the AI "revolution" just automating shoveling BS?
Charlie Gilley “Microsoft is the virus..." "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money"
On another note, a number of jobs get posted in some groups of Telegram. (Not sure how much Telegram app is prevalent in the US, Europe, etc., but in India, Telegram is not so uncommon). I am a member of a group called "Remote Jobs", where number of software jobs get posted almost everday.
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Maybe it's just me. 10 years ago, I would occasionally poke around DICE and it seemed like real people and companies were posting jobs. Now? Not so much. This is what I see on every posting: "Employers have access to artificial intelligence language tools (“AI”) that help generate and enhance job descriptions and AI may have been used to create this description." As soon as you go to dice, you get an immediate idiot pop up "is there something I can help you with?" Don't worry, I'm not picking on dice, so many sites and companies have this turd it is a joke. Worse, most of the HUMANS you talk to after getting through the bot are as dumb as a brick as well. Just didn't want to offend bots out there. The last thing I am going to do is submit anything to a recruiter. Anyone else seeing the AI "revolution" just automating shoveling BS?
Charlie Gilley “Microsoft is the virus..." "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money"
This is going to sound like an ad for this website I know, but I'm genuinely enthusiastic and impressed and I'm not getting paid or anything for posting this. So this guy I know set up a website for .NET developers to find a job directly without any recruiters. It's basically a job board with one significant difference: it was created with the developer in mind, not the company doing the hiring. Also, recruiters are actively kept out with a few simple programming questions that prove you're a programmer (sort of captcha). That means companies are required to fill out what stack they use, how they use it, what a typical day in the company looks like, why they're looking for someone, types of applications they work on, their industries, how new releases are deployed, how often you'll typically have to fix bugs... Even some photo's are required. There are about 50 questions in total of which a considerate amount a recruiter or HR employee can't answer without help of a programmer. Not all of them are mandatory, but quite a few are. His goal was, of course, to deal with vague job descriptions like the ones you are seeing and to get better matches between programmer and company. It's also free for programmers and companies pay a small fee per job opening per year (much cheaper than all the other boards). It was quite a hassle to get people on board, but I think it's currently (one of) the biggest job board for .NET developers in the Netherlands. For those interested (Dutch only, unfortunately): https://werkenmet.net/[^]
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I know you think that joke is funny, but it's not. It's ok to be friendly.
Jeremy Falcon
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This is going to sound like an ad for this website I know, but I'm genuinely enthusiastic and impressed and I'm not getting paid or anything for posting this. So this guy I know set up a website for .NET developers to find a job directly without any recruiters. It's basically a job board with one significant difference: it was created with the developer in mind, not the company doing the hiring. Also, recruiters are actively kept out with a few simple programming questions that prove you're a programmer (sort of captcha). That means companies are required to fill out what stack they use, how they use it, what a typical day in the company looks like, why they're looking for someone, types of applications they work on, their industries, how new releases are deployed, how often you'll typically have to fix bugs... Even some photo's are required. There are about 50 questions in total of which a considerate amount a recruiter or HR employee can't answer without help of a programmer. Not all of them are mandatory, but quite a few are. His goal was, of course, to deal with vague job descriptions like the ones you are seeing and to get better matches between programmer and company. It's also free for programmers and companies pay a small fee per job opening per year (much cheaper than all the other boards). It was quite a hassle to get people on board, but I think it's currently (one of) the biggest job board for .NET developers in the Netherlands. For those interested (Dutch only, unfortunately): https://werkenmet.net/[^]
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That's a brilliant idea.
Sander Rossel wrote:
I think it's currently (one of) the biggest job board for .NET developers in the Netherlands.
And if only he spent a bit of money for a translator's services, it probably would only get much bigger still.
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Nelek wrote:
Is there any generation that didn't see it?
Probably not. I for one, am glad we don't use outhouses anymore. :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
am glad we don't use outhouses anymore.
I do not know what "outhouses" means in this context and dict.leo could not help... But I am glad too, that I do not have to go to the WC above the animals... it was a bit creepy to be pooping and see how the chickens were walking around your sh1t or even start to pick it :~X| And no... I am not so old to have seen it as "Serie Equipment" but the small town where my father was born in the middle of nowhere was some decades behind the rest of the country. I learned there how to kill and process pigs, chickens and rabbits (many other things are similar to one those)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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That's a brilliant idea.
Sander Rossel wrote:
I think it's currently (one of) the biggest job board for .NET developers in the Netherlands.
And if only he spent a bit of money for a translator's services, it probably would only get much bigger still.
dandy72 wrote:
it probably would only get much bigger still.
The problem is marketing. Just translating it isn't enough. This guy and his wife sold their house and moved to something smaller in the countryside just so they could pay for marketing. Next to that, he manually contacted hundreds of companies and thousands of developers just to try to get them on the platform. The problem is, companies won't come if there are no developers and developers won't come if there are no companies. But since this platform was made for developers, it's a hassle for companies to set up so they're not all too eager! Luckily, it worked out in the end, but it wasn't easy. Anyway, he's not ready yet to go international.
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dandy72 wrote:
it probably would only get much bigger still.
The problem is marketing. Just translating it isn't enough. This guy and his wife sold their house and moved to something smaller in the countryside just so they could pay for marketing. Next to that, he manually contacted hundreds of companies and thousands of developers just to try to get them on the platform. The problem is, companies won't come if there are no developers and developers won't come if there are no companies. But since this platform was made for developers, it's a hassle for companies to set up so they're not all too eager! Luckily, it worked out in the end, but it wasn't easy. Anyway, he's not ready yet to go international.
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Well, if the site has gathered enough of a following in Dutch only, I'm thinking word of mouth might be enough to increase his viewership, even if it happens more slowly than if he were to burn a big pile of money to advertise himself. I mean, developers network together. You just need a few people to mention they got their job through that site to their English-speaking friends, and it ought to snowball from there. Maybe I'm naive. I'm not a marketing guy.
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Well, if the site has gathered enough of a following in Dutch only, I'm thinking word of mouth might be enough to increase his viewership, even if it happens more slowly than if he were to burn a big pile of money to advertise himself. I mean, developers network together. You just need a few people to mention they got their job through that site to their English-speaking friends, and it ought to snowball from there. Maybe I'm naive. I'm not a marketing guy.
Yeah, I don't think it works that way. You need big numbers on both sides for it to work, so a few worth of mouth users isn't going to cut it in new markets. Although it may be somewhat easier than starting from scratch. For now, he's still busy enough conquering the Dutch market ;)
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