Not Enough Resources in Win98SE
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I've been running into this a lot in the past few months. On PCs with 128MB RAM or more, 5GB HD space free, and Win98SE installed the systems crash for lack of resources when only 2 or 3 apps are running. I can't figure out what may be causing it. I've read that earlier MS O/Ss had time bombs built in that cause them to cease working after a set date, but I've found no evidence of this in Win98. The owners of these PCs want to install more memory, but I think that's a waste of their money and I don't believe that lack of RAM is really the problem. I've tried to relieve the situation by clearing out the cache for IE and removing temp files, but it hasn't helped. Any other ideas?
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus Long -
I've been running into this a lot in the past few months. On PCs with 128MB RAM or more, 5GB HD space free, and Win98SE installed the systems crash for lack of resources when only 2 or 3 apps are running. I can't figure out what may be causing it. I've read that earlier MS O/Ss had time bombs built in that cause them to cease working after a set date, but I've found no evidence of this in Win98. The owners of these PCs want to install more memory, but I think that's a waste of their money and I don't believe that lack of RAM is really the problem. I've tried to relieve the situation by clearing out the cache for IE and removing temp files, but it hasn't helped. Any other ideas?
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongHi Roger, Believe or not I had that exact same problem as well. Ok here is the story: I was using Win98 as a test machine on my network at home and I had the ZIP drive connected to it, shared with all other machines on the net. From time to time I was finding that resources would be 100% is use, and couldn't start any apps --> Error: Not enough memory to run this application. I thought the iomega driver was causing this (as it did in the past). removed it, to my disappoitment it wasnt that. So I had a copy of Win98 First Edition and installed that in. Bang, problem did not appear anymore, it has been running for a year now with no problems, but the mystery with Win 98 SE, still not solved. Strange thing about that was, with Process Explorer I couldn't see what application was eating the memory! What's happening on your machines when you run a Process Utility? Can you see where the RAM is going? Regards, Venet. Donec eris felix, multos numerabis amicos.
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I've been running into this a lot in the past few months. On PCs with 128MB RAM or more, 5GB HD space free, and Win98SE installed the systems crash for lack of resources when only 2 or 3 apps are running. I can't figure out what may be causing it. I've read that earlier MS O/Ss had time bombs built in that cause them to cease working after a set date, but I've found no evidence of this in Win98. The owners of these PCs want to install more memory, but I think that's a waste of their money and I don't believe that lack of RAM is really the problem. I've tried to relieve the situation by clearing out the cache for IE and removing temp files, but it hasn't helped. Any other ideas?
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongRoger Wright wrote: Any other ideas? I don't have a solution for you even tough I have run into this problem myself recently. Trying to talk these particular customers into purchasing new machines with (shock horror) Windows XP Professional on them. They have heaps of money and are running their own domain and Exchange Server on NT 4 Server so 9x is a piece of crap in this situation. This gets rid of our Windows 98 problem but also gets them systems that will work with their current setup correctly. Back to your problem, I have two other steps I perform in conjunction* with what you have already done. Ad-aware 6 just in case there are some nasties there and Norton WinDoctor (I have SystemWorks which launches select utilities from the CD) which does a great job of removing crap from the registry. I also perform WindowsUpdate to the machines in case Microsoft actually manage to fix a problem that maybe causing this error. By the sounds of it WindowsUpdate couldn't make it much worse. * Not the word I wanted to use but after a couple of minutes of hard thinkning I couldn't come up with something better. Michael Martin Australia "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Hi Roger, Believe or not I had that exact same problem as well. Ok here is the story: I was using Win98 as a test machine on my network at home and I had the ZIP drive connected to it, shared with all other machines on the net. From time to time I was finding that resources would be 100% is use, and couldn't start any apps --> Error: Not enough memory to run this application. I thought the iomega driver was causing this (as it did in the past). removed it, to my disappoitment it wasnt that. So I had a copy of Win98 First Edition and installed that in. Bang, problem did not appear anymore, it has been running for a year now with no problems, but the mystery with Win 98 SE, still not solved. Strange thing about that was, with Process Explorer I couldn't see what application was eating the memory! What's happening on your machines when you run a Process Utility? Can you see where the RAM is going? Regards, Venet. Donec eris felix, multos numerabis amicos.
The processes running vary, and none seems to be eating RAM excessively. I thought initially that the swap file was running out of space, but checking the disk revealed far more avaiable space than needed. The drive had also been scanned and defragged within the past 5 days on both of the machines I'm currently looking at. There could be a leak somewhere in Win98SE itself, but both machines are turned off every night. Crazy OS...
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus Long -
Roger Wright wrote: Any other ideas? I don't have a solution for you even tough I have run into this problem myself recently. Trying to talk these particular customers into purchasing new machines with (shock horror) Windows XP Professional on them. They have heaps of money and are running their own domain and Exchange Server on NT 4 Server so 9x is a piece of crap in this situation. This gets rid of our Windows 98 problem but also gets them systems that will work with their current setup correctly. Back to your problem, I have two other steps I perform in conjunction* with what you have already done. Ad-aware 6 just in case there are some nasties there and Norton WinDoctor (I have SystemWorks which launches select utilities from the CD) which does a great job of removing crap from the registry. I also perform WindowsUpdate to the machines in case Microsoft actually manage to fix a problem that maybe causing this error. By the sounds of it WindowsUpdate couldn't make it much worse. * Not the word I wanted to use but after a couple of minutes of hard thinkning I couldn't come up with something better. Michael Martin Australia "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
Michael Martin wrote: Not the word I wanted to use It was an appropriate choice.:-D Windows Update, in my experience, is more likely to destroy the machine than fix it, but it may be worth attempting if I can get assurance from the boss involved that buying a new machine is possible if all else fails. I hesitate to try it, though, because at least one of these machines has a lousy ISP connection that drops out frequently, and changing ISPs is not an option.
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus Long -
I've been running into this a lot in the past few months. On PCs with 128MB RAM or more, 5GB HD space free, and Win98SE installed the systems crash for lack of resources when only 2 or 3 apps are running. I can't figure out what may be causing it. I've read that earlier MS O/Ss had time bombs built in that cause them to cease working after a set date, but I've found no evidence of this in Win98. The owners of these PCs want to install more memory, but I think that's a waste of their money and I don't believe that lack of RAM is really the problem. I've tried to relieve the situation by clearing out the cache for IE and removing temp files, but it hasn't helped. Any other ideas?
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongWindows 9x has some of the old Win 3.11 resource limitations imposed on it. It only allows something like 2MB for GDI heap, another 2MB for user, etc. Windows98SE and ME are worse in this respect than Windows 95/98, but they all have big resource trouble. I use Windows 98 for everything I do, 'cause it's what I have. (I'm going to be upgrading when I get the funds.) I have to restart my computer every 15 minutes. I recommend they have resource meter running in the system tray, and restart when the resouces go below 35%. AND upgrade ASAP.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
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I've been running into this a lot in the past few months. On PCs with 128MB RAM or more, 5GB HD space free, and Win98SE installed the systems crash for lack of resources when only 2 or 3 apps are running. I can't figure out what may be causing it. I've read that earlier MS O/Ss had time bombs built in that cause them to cease working after a set date, but I've found no evidence of this in Win98. The owners of these PCs want to install more memory, but I think that's a waste of their money and I don't believe that lack of RAM is really the problem. I've tried to relieve the situation by clearing out the cache for IE and removing temp files, but it hasn't helped. Any other ideas?
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus Longjust dont use win98... it's insecure, buggy and wastes much resources Don't try it, just do it! ;-)