Found on /. , posting here. Feelin american...
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Don't forget the way you looked after those West Africans that your forebearers picked up on the way to the good ol'US of A yeah, us and nearly every other country in the world at the time. The way you treated the American Indians. i hear the Australian natives are having a lot of fun these days. Russia kicked your arse in every First to do in space except the Moon Landing. but the US has kicked everyone's ass since then. so we're slow starters. BFD. and no offense, but how's the Aussie space program? You cooked a few of your own astronauts while testing everything for space. no risk, no glory. You lost more soldiers to friendly fire than enemy fire in Desert Storm. it's our fault Iraq can't stand up to the rhetoric their leader spouts? it's our fault that the Iraqi "Replublican Guard" (or whatever they call themselves) couldn't do more damage than we did accidentally? holy shit, man. you are one confused and bitter dude. let's just hope Australia never finds itself in this situation. i don't think i'd be up for insulting them, but, who knows, maybe i could - maybe if i got to know them better. -c ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
This is probably a poor time to argue about this, but... Don't forget the way you looked after those West Africans that your forebearers picked up on the way to the good ol'US of A yeah, us and nearly every other country in the world at the time. Except Britain and her colonies, yes. The way you treated the American Indians. i hear the Australian natives are having a lot of fun these days. What do you mean by that ? The fact they are given money hand over fist, or the fact that we have hordes of white people lining up for such benefits because they 'feel' aboriginal, or because a distance relative was seen speaking to one ? Or the fact they are trying to get an official admission of guilt over things that (regretably) happened 50 years ago, so anyone with off-white skin over 50 years of age can sue the Government ? (This was the point that caused me to respond to the post, if you didn't guess ) Russia kicked your arse in every First to do in space except the Moon Landing. but the US has kicked everyone's ass since then. so we're slow starters. BFD. and no offense, but how's the Aussie space program? We were never stupid enough to waste that much money to visit a rock. The space program was propaganda for the cold war. I believe you'll find you wouldn't have been able to WATCH Neil hit the moon without our help though. You cooked a few of your own astronauts while testing everything for space. My goodness, Michael, this was in poor taste. You lost more soldiers to friendly fire than enemy fire in Desert Storm. it's our fault Iraq can't stand up to the rhetoric their leader spouts? it's our fault that the Iraqi "Replublican Guard" (or whatever they call themselves) couldn't do more damage than we did accidentally? Bwhahaha - good point. It is indeed hardly your fault the damn towel heads can't shoot straight. let's just hope Australia never finds itself in this situation. i don't think i'd be up for insulting them, but, who knows, maybe i could - maybe if i got to know them better. I'm not sure what prompted Michael's post, although I must admit I agree to point. Yes, the US does a lot of good in the world, but it is very much in poor taste to blow ones own trumpet. However, this is probably a time where it's understandable. I think everyone is probably still too shell shocked to completely consider what they are saying. I know I am in a daze. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me,
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BTW, Mikey, all those American's who died saving your country's bacon at the Battle of the Coral Sea were happy to die so that you could be free to spout such crap. No thank's necessary, glad to help.
Mick not Mikey. Didn't realise there was a Battle of the Coral Sea, found a good site with a good account of it. Why is what I say just spouting crap when this Canadian's sycophantic arse kissing look at the US through rose coloured glasses is nothing but Gods own truth. You want the praise but as I said, before others can get to it you have already praised yourselves. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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This is probably a poor time to argue about this, but... Don't forget the way you looked after those West Africans that your forebearers picked up on the way to the good ol'US of A yeah, us and nearly every other country in the world at the time. Except Britain and her colonies, yes. The way you treated the American Indians. i hear the Australian natives are having a lot of fun these days. What do you mean by that ? The fact they are given money hand over fist, or the fact that we have hordes of white people lining up for such benefits because they 'feel' aboriginal, or because a distance relative was seen speaking to one ? Or the fact they are trying to get an official admission of guilt over things that (regretably) happened 50 years ago, so anyone with off-white skin over 50 years of age can sue the Government ? (This was the point that caused me to respond to the post, if you didn't guess ) Russia kicked your arse in every First to do in space except the Moon Landing. but the US has kicked everyone's ass since then. so we're slow starters. BFD. and no offense, but how's the Aussie space program? We were never stupid enough to waste that much money to visit a rock. The space program was propaganda for the cold war. I believe you'll find you wouldn't have been able to WATCH Neil hit the moon without our help though. You cooked a few of your own astronauts while testing everything for space. My goodness, Michael, this was in poor taste. You lost more soldiers to friendly fire than enemy fire in Desert Storm. it's our fault Iraq can't stand up to the rhetoric their leader spouts? it's our fault that the Iraqi "Replublican Guard" (or whatever they call themselves) couldn't do more damage than we did accidentally? Bwhahaha - good point. It is indeed hardly your fault the damn towel heads can't shoot straight. let's just hope Australia never finds itself in this situation. i don't think i'd be up for insulting them, but, who knows, maybe i could - maybe if i got to know them better. I'm not sure what prompted Michael's post, although I must admit I agree to point. Yes, the US does a lot of good in the world, but it is very much in poor taste to blow ones own trumpet. However, this is probably a time where it's understandable. I think everyone is probably still too shell shocked to completely consider what they are saying. I know I am in a daze. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me,
I'm not sure what prompted Michael's post... Probably should have taken a few deep breathes and counted to ten and this wouldn't have happened. I understand the tradgedy that has occured is unprecedented and everyone is trying to come to terms with what it all means, if anyone had read any of my posts over the last couple of days they would understand this. This post on America added to the pro US banter I have received here at work the last couple of days from the Americans we have working here tipped me over the edge. I won't apologise for my opinions any more than I expect John, Stan or Christian too on theirs. I will though apologise for the timing. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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Mick not Mikey. Didn't realise there was a Battle of the Coral Sea, found a good site with a good account of it. Why is what I say just spouting crap when this Canadian's sycophantic arse kissing look at the US through rose coloured glasses is nothing but Gods own truth. You want the praise but as I said, before others can get to it you have already praised yourselves. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
"Blowing our own trumpet" as Christian observed above is a very time honored American tradition. "I'm a ring tailed howler, an alligator horse. I can lasso the stars and drink the oceans dry..." etc. etc. etc. BTW, I am descendent from very long ancestral lines in the Old South. When my ancestors were not forcing "indians" out of their homes they were forcing black slaves to help them get farming operations going on the lands acquired. I make neither an excuse or an apology for that, beyond this: The Indians my ancestors encountered were not like your aboriginies. They were large, powerful tribes built around violent warrior cults. Each tribe diffrent, with unique cultures, language, customs. They were well armed and were constantly making war upon one another and conquering and enslaving other tribes. We gave them nothing they were not giving each other before we got here. I regret the institution of slavery that the English government establish here and upon which my ancestors became dependent. But, for the most part, they worked their own land with their own hands, using slaves no more than was needed to get the work done. Few Southerners lived like Scarlet O'Hara, but their racism was wrong, their intolerance was wrong. I sincerely wish things could have been different, but we cannot improve the past, only the future.
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"Blowing our own trumpet" as Christian observed above is a very time honored American tradition. "I'm a ring tailed howler, an alligator horse. I can lasso the stars and drink the oceans dry..." etc. etc. etc. BTW, I am descendent from very long ancestral lines in the Old South. When my ancestors were not forcing "indians" out of their homes they were forcing black slaves to help them get farming operations going on the lands acquired. I make neither an excuse or an apology for that, beyond this: The Indians my ancestors encountered were not like your aboriginies. They were large, powerful tribes built around violent warrior cults. Each tribe diffrent, with unique cultures, language, customs. They were well armed and were constantly making war upon one another and conquering and enslaving other tribes. We gave them nothing they were not giving each other before we got here. I regret the institution of slavery that the English government establish here and upon which my ancestors became dependent. But, for the most part, they worked their own land with their own hands, using slaves no more than was needed to get the work done. Few Southerners lived like Scarlet O'Hara, but their racism was wrong, their intolerance was wrong. I sincerely wish things could have been different, but we cannot improve the past, only the future.
No worries Stan, never really had any understanding of the whole Indian situation, just another arrow I quickly notched and fired. I am a decendant of free settlers (yeah not everyone was a convict) who squatted (illegally used) on land until such times as the government allowed them to purchase it. The eight acres is still in my family (grandmother) but due to a major falling out on my part with the family I don't think I will ever get to have it. I'm a ring tailed howler, an alligator horse. What the hell are these? Are they actual animals? Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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This is probably a poor time to argue about this, but... Don't forget the way you looked after those West Africans that your forebearers picked up on the way to the good ol'US of A yeah, us and nearly every other country in the world at the time. Except Britain and her colonies, yes. The way you treated the American Indians. i hear the Australian natives are having a lot of fun these days. What do you mean by that ? The fact they are given money hand over fist, or the fact that we have hordes of white people lining up for such benefits because they 'feel' aboriginal, or because a distance relative was seen speaking to one ? Or the fact they are trying to get an official admission of guilt over things that (regretably) happened 50 years ago, so anyone with off-white skin over 50 years of age can sue the Government ? (This was the point that caused me to respond to the post, if you didn't guess ) Russia kicked your arse in every First to do in space except the Moon Landing. but the US has kicked everyone's ass since then. so we're slow starters. BFD. and no offense, but how's the Aussie space program? We were never stupid enough to waste that much money to visit a rock. The space program was propaganda for the cold war. I believe you'll find you wouldn't have been able to WATCH Neil hit the moon without our help though. You cooked a few of your own astronauts while testing everything for space. My goodness, Michael, this was in poor taste. You lost more soldiers to friendly fire than enemy fire in Desert Storm. it's our fault Iraq can't stand up to the rhetoric their leader spouts? it's our fault that the Iraqi "Replublican Guard" (or whatever they call themselves) couldn't do more damage than we did accidentally? Bwhahaha - good point. It is indeed hardly your fault the damn towel heads can't shoot straight. let's just hope Australia never finds itself in this situation. i don't think i'd be up for insulting them, but, who knows, maybe i could - maybe if i got to know them better. I'm not sure what prompted Michael's post, although I must admit I agree to point. Yes, the US does a lot of good in the world, but it is very much in poor taste to blow ones own trumpet. However, this is probably a time where it's understandable. I think everyone is probably still too shell shocked to completely consider what they are saying. I know I am in a daze. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me,
The way you treated the American Indians. i hear the Australian natives are having a lot of fun these days. What do you mean by that ? when Sydney hosted the olympics, i heard a lot of stories about how the Australian aboriginies were treated as second class citizens: given benefits officially, sure, but discriminated against in reality. maybe i heard incorrectly or maybe the stories were wrong. i certainly meant no offense to the country as a whole - i generally like what i know of .AU . I believe you'll find you wouldn't have been able to WATCH Neil hit the moon without our help though. yeah, i saw the movie :) the moon landing was possibly the greatest thing man has yet accomplished, whatever the reasons. almost every other great invention was driven by necessity. the moon landing was driven by pride, the desire to say "Hey! Look what we can do!" - something Americans are very big on. , but it is very much in poor taste to blow ones own trumpet really? how then does a site like this even exist? isn't the point of a site like this at least partially to say "Hey! look what i did!" ? -c ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
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The way you treated the American Indians. i hear the Australian natives are having a lot of fun these days. What do you mean by that ? when Sydney hosted the olympics, i heard a lot of stories about how the Australian aboriginies were treated as second class citizens: given benefits officially, sure, but discriminated against in reality. maybe i heard incorrectly or maybe the stories were wrong. i certainly meant no offense to the country as a whole - i generally like what i know of .AU . I believe you'll find you wouldn't have been able to WATCH Neil hit the moon without our help though. yeah, i saw the movie :) the moon landing was possibly the greatest thing man has yet accomplished, whatever the reasons. almost every other great invention was driven by necessity. the moon landing was driven by pride, the desire to say "Hey! Look what we can do!" - something Americans are very big on. , but it is very much in poor taste to blow ones own trumpet really? how then does a site like this even exist? isn't the point of a site like this at least partially to say "Hey! look what i did!" ? -c ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
The way you treated the American Indians. i hear the Australian natives are having a lot of fun these days. What do you mean by that ? when Sydney hosted the olympics, i heard a lot of stories about how the Australian aboriginies were treated as second class citizens: given benefits officially, sure, but discriminated against in reality. maybe i heard incorrectly or maybe the stories were wrong. i certainly meant no offense to the country as a whole - i generally like what i know of .AU . I think you'll find racism is an individual thing which cannot be stopped. But in reality I doubt anyone could discriminate against an Aboriginal here without getting hell over it. Our laws are more geared towards discrimination against white heterosexual men. I believe you'll find you wouldn't have been able to WATCH Neil hit the moon without our help though. yeah, i saw the movie the moon landing was possibly the greatest thing man has yet accomplished, whatever the reasons. almost every other great invention was driven by necessity. the moon landing was driven by pride, the desire to say "Hey! Look what we can do!" - something Americans are very big on. Then you'll know what I mean when I say the Australian psyche is a lot more laid back and tending towards self depreciation than self promotion. Hell, I work with three guys and we insult each other and ourselves all day. If someone walked up to me and said half the stuff that gets said to me here, I would smack them. , but it is very much in poor taste to blow ones own trumpet really? how then does a site like this even exist? isn't the point of a site like this at least partially to say "Hey! look what i did!" ? Do you think so ? I starting writing articles in order to feel I had put back after learning so much here. I answer questions for the same reason. I don't have a problem with people taking pride in what they have done ( people like Chris and Michael Dunn certainly deserve to, have you SEEN some of the stuff they put up ? ), but I'd suspect a lot of people would be like me, not really regarding that they have done anything overly wonderful, just trying to do a bit to contribute to a great site and a great on-line community. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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No worries Stan, never really had any understanding of the whole Indian situation, just another arrow I quickly notched and fired. I am a decendant of free settlers (yeah not everyone was a convict) who squatted (illegally used) on land until such times as the government allowed them to purchase it. The eight acres is still in my family (grandmother) but due to a major falling out on my part with the family I don't think I will ever get to have it. I'm a ring tailed howler, an alligator horse. What the hell are these? Are they actual animals? Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Well the Alligator horse is extinct now. My ol' daddy was the last one. But I'm pretty sure my younger brother is at least part ring tailed howler.;) Talk about squatters, do you know what a "Sooner" was? Western Oklahoma was opened by "land runs" during the 1890's. That's where the prospective settlers line up, someone fires a gun, and everyone takes off in a mad rush for the land they want in a specified area. My Great-Granddaddy, Levi Emerson, was a cowboy who had worked Cattle on the Cheyenne-Arapahoe reservation of western Oklahoma. When that area opened in 1892, he and a bunch of his friends just hid out on the land they wanted and when they heard the crowd coming they jumped up, staked their claim and basically shot anyone who tried to do anything about it. Thus they were "Sooners" i.e. they got there sooner than was legal. Thats why Oklahoma is called the "Sooner" state. See? We even make heroes out of cheats!:)
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The way you treated the American Indians. i hear the Australian natives are having a lot of fun these days. What do you mean by that ? when Sydney hosted the olympics, i heard a lot of stories about how the Australian aboriginies were treated as second class citizens: given benefits officially, sure, but discriminated against in reality. maybe i heard incorrectly or maybe the stories were wrong. i certainly meant no offense to the country as a whole - i generally like what i know of .AU . I think you'll find racism is an individual thing which cannot be stopped. But in reality I doubt anyone could discriminate against an Aboriginal here without getting hell over it. Our laws are more geared towards discrimination against white heterosexual men. I believe you'll find you wouldn't have been able to WATCH Neil hit the moon without our help though. yeah, i saw the movie the moon landing was possibly the greatest thing man has yet accomplished, whatever the reasons. almost every other great invention was driven by necessity. the moon landing was driven by pride, the desire to say "Hey! Look what we can do!" - something Americans are very big on. Then you'll know what I mean when I say the Australian psyche is a lot more laid back and tending towards self depreciation than self promotion. Hell, I work with three guys and we insult each other and ourselves all day. If someone walked up to me and said half the stuff that gets said to me here, I would smack them. , but it is very much in poor taste to blow ones own trumpet really? how then does a site like this even exist? isn't the point of a site like this at least partially to say "Hey! look what i did!" ? Do you think so ? I starting writing articles in order to feel I had put back after learning so much here. I answer questions for the same reason. I don't have a problem with people taking pride in what they have done ( people like Chris and Michael Dunn certainly deserve to, have you SEEN some of the stuff they put up ? ), but I'd suspect a lot of people would be like me, not really regarding that they have done anything overly wonderful, just trying to do a bit to contribute to a great site and a great on-line community. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
really? how then does a site like this even exist? isn't the point of a site like this at least partially to say "Hey! look what i did!" ? Do you think so ? I starting writing articles in order to feel I had put back after learning so much here. I answer questions for the same reason. yes, i really think so. in fact. i'll start a thread about it, right now :) -c ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
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really? how then does a site like this even exist? isn't the point of a site like this at least partially to say "Hey! look what i did!" ? Do you think so ? I starting writing articles in order to feel I had put back after learning so much here. I answer questions for the same reason. yes, i really think so. in fact. i'll start a thread about it, right now :) -c ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
Okay, I'll see you there then ;P Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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fine, i've deleted it. i simply thought that on a day where the US has been deemed worthy of losing so much that it might be nice to have a 2nd opinion. but, i can see i've offended people by simply sticking up for my own country. this troubles me greatly. i don't think i would ever say anything negative about another person's country, given similar circumstances. and this makes me think that for the critics here, the circumstances must seem different - that the US deserved what it got. again, i hope your countries never go through this - pick you favorite landmark, fill it full of people and drive two planes into it. i guarantee you I won't tell you to keep quiet. -c
Not again ? America (substitute the country of your choice) good , all the rest of the world bad ! Every person in every country I have ever been to will be only to happy to sit you down and give you a diatribe on why they are the best in the world and the rest of the world are horrible , nasty, spongers. The world is a shrinking place , the whole concept of country is being eroded by global trade , and we are slowly but inexorably becoming one interdependant society , tell you what , lets call us humankind ! This , 'we are good all else bad attitude' underlies so many of the problems of the world today . I criticise America , I criticise my own country , I consider and criticise the actions of many other countries. That is freedom , that is a benifit of democracy , isn't that what America holds dear above all else ? There is a world of difference between criticism in a democratic society and the barbaric acts of a few days ago.
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fine, i've deleted it. i simply thought that on a day where the US has been deemed worthy of losing so much that it might be nice to have a 2nd opinion. but, i can see i've offended people by simply sticking up for my own country. this troubles me greatly. i don't think i would ever say anything negative about another person's country, given similar circumstances. and this makes me think that for the critics here, the circumstances must seem different - that the US deserved what it got. again, i hope your countries never go through this - pick you favorite landmark, fill it full of people and drive two planes into it. i guarantee you I won't tell you to keep quiet. -c
Just wanted to say that today is not the day you should be trying to run this by people (American or not). Everyone, except the towel-heads, are sympathetic towards America in these days of tragedy. If we could do more we would but a lot of nations simply can't and those that can are. I know I am grateful for a lot of what America has done and achieved, but I can guarantee that if Americans stopped waiting for the applause after doing something good then the world would be a lot more grateful and a lot less scornful. The general policy of American goodwill reminds me of a comedian who pauses for ten seconds after each joke waiting for the laughter. If the laughter does not come, he stalks off stage in a huff. The comedian should simply tell his jokes in the spirit of humour, not expecting anything in return. Chris (Maunder) did not create CP so that people would thank him, that just comes naturally (and he accepts it humbly). So should America be, simple as that. However if a country accepts aid from America and then turns around and stabs America in the back then I am all for cutting off aid. Frankly I believe America (and the rest of the 1st world nations) should that to a lot of African countries (mine included). As I said Chris, I am grateful to you, your fellow Americans and your country. I like to think that if the tables were reversed and America were the third world country and that South Africa was a 1st world country that we would help America in it's needs and not wait for the applause. I also like to think that America in that situation would not back stab SA, like we do America in this day and age. Just be a bit more humble and think less along the lines of "give to receive". I mean all of this in the sincerest way possible. I am not insulting anyone (ok except the towel-heads) but merely offering my view point and advice to America (or any nation that expects praise in return for goodwill). I don't pretend to think that anyone takes heed or should take heed of my advice, but that is what it is: advice. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Mick not Mikey. Didn't realise there was a Battle of the Coral Sea, found a good site with a good account of it. Why is what I say just spouting crap when this Canadian's sycophantic arse kissing look at the US through rose coloured glasses is nothing but Gods own truth. You want the praise but as I said, before others can get to it you have already praised yourselves. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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fine, i've deleted it. i simply thought that on a day where the US has been deemed worthy of losing so much that it might be nice to have a 2nd opinion. but, i can see i've offended people by simply sticking up for my own country. this troubles me greatly. i don't think i would ever say anything negative about another person's country, given similar circumstances. and this makes me think that for the critics here, the circumstances must seem different - that the US deserved what it got. again, i hope your countries never go through this - pick you favorite landmark, fill it full of people and drive two planes into it. i guarantee you I won't tell you to keep quiet. -c
This is the first time I take time to reply to a post here. I have been reading codeproject for a number of years, ever since some articles of me got moved over here from codeguru. Let me first point out that I hardly think a thread like this belongs here. Theres enough usenet groups that go wild with these sad events the last days. Secondly, I happen to live in a part of Europe (Belgium, Flanders) that has seen millions of dead in the last century. World war one cost my country 5% of its population. The city I live in (even my house) has been destroyed to its fundaments 2 times now. History now repeats itself in the US (for the first time in 200 years) and by all gods, I wished it had never happened. But it did. And although the lunatics choose the US as a target, it could have been 15 miles from here, at NATO headquarters. This event shocked the whole world, every religion and race to its core. The resulting actions and events will influence the whole of mankind. I for one left the Boston airport this week flying back, and could have been in one of the planes. I have been in the towers a few months back. We all understand the pain of the people in the US. Please, do not make it a nationalistic thing by posting or spreading throll stuff like above. I donated money to the US red-cross yesterday. If I was to be still in the states (due to a faster bug fix then presumed, I got back monday instead of today) I would have gladly done anything else I could. I suppose the post is the logical step (anger) in an acceptance process. But lets channel it against the b*st*rds that did this. As said, sadly things will never be the same. Come and have a look at the F-16 that patrol the sky over here near Brussels NATO headquarters if you want to see a small example on how. Erik :rose:
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So you're just an uneducated lout? I never asked for praise, and I'd bet the vast majority of Americans never have either. But I'll be damned if I don't expect a certain amount of respect. You're a complete waste of body organs today.
No, just not that interested in history and more in tune with what is happening today. Though am always ready to listen and learn from facts and not vitriol. Nothing was aimed at anyone personally it was all about the generic Yank/Aussie image that is projected around the world. We all know there isn't anyone actually like that but a particular people (as in Australians) as a whole are grouped together and then the views of outsiders projected on that to come up with the image. Opinions vary, that's your's today fair cop. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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No, just not that interested in history and more in tune with what is happening today. Though am always ready to listen and learn from facts and not vitriol. Nothing was aimed at anyone personally it was all about the generic Yank/Aussie image that is projected around the world. We all know there isn't anyone actually like that but a particular people (as in Australians) as a whole are grouped together and then the views of outsiders projected on that to come up with the image. Opinions vary, that's your's today fair cop. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Hope this makes it (moderated or not). Nothing was aimed at anyone personally it was all about the generic Yank/Aussie image that is projected around the world. And that's just it, a generic image. Unfortunately most people outside the US see the chest-beating sports stars, etc. I can tell you that most Americans are not that way. But hey! You saw it on TV so it must be true! I've seen plenty of examples of Aussies beating their chests here on US television and if you search the CP Lounge I'll bet you'll find a few more examples. If I weren't a little more intelligent than the TV (or idiot box, - some people's US slang), I'd have some very slanted and ridiculous beliefs about Aussies, Russians, Jews, Arabs, Israelis, South Africans, New Zealanders, etc. Fortunately, I've lived in other countries and know that the US is not the best in everything ( as difficult as it may seem :) ). I've worked closely with several people of foreign nationalities and know that everyone of a certain nationality/race/religion is not a mere stereotype, but an individual with their own beliefs, code of ethics, etc. that doesn't always toe the line with their national image. We all know there isn't anyone actually like that but a particular people (as in Australians) as a whole are grouped together and then the views of outsiders projected on that to come up with the image. Then why make your particular comments??:confused: On the one hand you say you know that not everyone is actually like that, and on the other you say they are. Poor form. In the future I'd encourage you to be smarter than the average bear. If you feel the need to flame, do so in the new forum. However I don't feel anything productive will come of it, so I probably won't participate. -Sean ---- Artificial intelligence usually beats real stupidity.
