Terrorism and the UK
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One guy on a radio station in the UK made a very good point, when President Bush says he's going to put a stop to terrorism, does that mean he's going to stop the 30 years worth of terror that's been ripping Northern Ireland apart and all the bombing that's been happening in the UK. I live near Manchester and I'll never forget the day the IRA bombed Manchester. Also some of the funding for IRA is coming from the American people. Thoughts on this one please.
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One guy on a radio station in the UK made a very good point, when President Bush says he's going to put a stop to terrorism, does that mean he's going to stop the 30 years worth of terror that's been ripping Northern Ireland apart and all the bombing that's been happening in the UK. I live near Manchester and I'll never forget the day the IRA bombed Manchester. Also some of the funding for IRA is coming from the American people. Thoughts on this one please.
Yeah, and the ETA terrorism in Spain. That would be really good, too. Perhaps that's the reason why our president has jumped so fast saying that we'll give the americans any type of support we can. That's a good point.
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Yeah, and the ETA terrorism in Spain. That would be really good, too. Perhaps that's the reason why our president has jumped so fast saying that we'll give the americans any type of support we can. That's a good point.
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Ups, does it mean we'll see the American army in Spain fighting against ETA? I hope not because I don't have place in my house for a tomahawk missile. ORi.
Hope not. I live really close (100km/60miles) to the Basque Country.:eek:
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One guy on a radio station in the UK made a very good point, when President Bush says he's going to put a stop to terrorism, does that mean he's going to stop the 30 years worth of terror that's been ripping Northern Ireland apart and all the bombing that's been happening in the UK. I live near Manchester and I'll never forget the day the IRA bombed Manchester. Also some of the funding for IRA is coming from the American people. Thoughts on this one please.
Probably not. US will only go so far to eliminate the doers of the WTC tragedy. Also other countries shouldn't expect US to fight their wars. The best thing to happen would be for all democractic countries to come together and form an common agenda to fight terrorism. The world will greatly benefit if all the countries agreed who is a terrorist or who is a freedom (supposedly) fighter. one country's terrorist is somebody else freedom fighter.
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One guy on a radio station in the UK made a very good point, when President Bush says he's going to put a stop to terrorism, does that mean he's going to stop the 30 years worth of terror that's been ripping Northern Ireland apart and all the bombing that's been happening in the UK. I live near Manchester and I'll never forget the day the IRA bombed Manchester. Also some of the funding for IRA is coming from the American people. Thoughts on this one please.
A war on terrorism should be on terrorists throughout the world not just in the Islamic world which I think this is going to focus on. Even Tony Blair declared a war on terrorism but I can't see him doing anything with regard to Northern Ireland.:confused:
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One guy on a radio station in the UK made a very good point, when President Bush says he's going to put a stop to terrorism, does that mean he's going to stop the 30 years worth of terror that's been ripping Northern Ireland apart and all the bombing that's been happening in the UK. I live near Manchester and I'll never forget the day the IRA bombed Manchester. Also some of the funding for IRA is coming from the American people. Thoughts on this one please.
Terrorism can't be seen as an international problem. In each country it comes from different group of people, has different targets and different cause. For USA, terrorism means a guy with a gun, 8 kilos of C4 in his cheast in the middle of a shopping center. For UK, is the IRA. For japan is some wakos, how put lethal gas in metro. And for greece, is 17N which mostly attacks idividuals from the area of politics/army. Each of those cases must be seen separately from the others. Of course, every country can help each other by giving information,etc, but that's what is happend allready. I don't think that bombing afhanistan will resolve the problem of terrorism in USA, and definitly won't solve it in other countries. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234
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A war on terrorism should be on terrorists throughout the world not just in the Islamic world which I think this is going to focus on. Even Tony Blair declared a war on terrorism but I can't see him doing anything with regard to Northern Ireland.:confused:
It is an interesting contrast, how we deal with terrorism in our own backyard and how we deal with Middle Eastern terrorism. I can't quiet see Tony Blair bombing Dublin/Belfast until they hand over Real IRA suspects. However he's certainly going to go along with airstrikes against Middle East terrorist hiding places. To me there should be no difference between how we treat the IRA and how we treat Bin laden groups. It certainly is a quandry for the British government. Michael :-)
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Terrorism can't be seen as an international problem. In each country it comes from different group of people, has different targets and different cause. For USA, terrorism means a guy with a gun, 8 kilos of C4 in his cheast in the middle of a shopping center. For UK, is the IRA. For japan is some wakos, how put lethal gas in metro. And for greece, is 17N which mostly attacks idividuals from the area of politics/army. Each of those cases must be seen separately from the others. Of course, every country can help each other by giving information,etc, but that's what is happend allready. I don't think that bombing afhanistan will resolve the problem of terrorism in USA, and definitly won't solve it in other countries. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Memory leaks is the price we pay \0 01234567890123456789012345678901234
>I don't think that bombing afhanistan will resolve the problem of terrorism >n USA, and definitly won't solve it >in other countries. I agree, but what should we do if the Taleban refuse to hand over Bin Laden for trial. The only way to solve this is to deal with each case using the justice system of the country attacked, but when another harbours a criminal what do you do then. There should be no hiding place for people who commit any crime against another human. It is times like this I'm glad I'm not a world leader. There aren't any easy answers but the American people do deserve to see justice done for the recent crimes against them. (Actually its more a crime against humanity because there were more than Americans killed) Michael :-)
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One guy on a radio station in the UK made a very good point, when President Bush says he's going to put a stop to terrorism, does that mean he's going to stop the 30 years worth of terror that's been ripping Northern Ireland apart and all the bombing that's been happening in the UK. I live near Manchester and I'll never forget the day the IRA bombed Manchester. Also some of the funding for IRA is coming from the American people. Thoughts on this one please.
Didn't he say International Terrorism? The Northern Ireland thing could be seen as internal to the UK, and therefore America would not get involved. Additionally, I think that the IRA are seen as 'Freedom Fighters' in some parts of America and not terrorists, so it would not be Politically Correct for America to stop them
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It is an interesting contrast, how we deal with terrorism in our own backyard and how we deal with Middle Eastern terrorism. I can't quiet see Tony Blair bombing Dublin/Belfast until they hand over Real IRA suspects. However he's certainly going to go along with airstrikes against Middle East terrorist hiding places. To me there should be no difference between how we treat the IRA and how we treat Bin laden groups. It certainly is a quandry for the British government. Michael :-)
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Didn't he say International Terrorism? The Northern Ireland thing could be seen as internal to the UK, and therefore America would not get involved. Additionally, I think that the IRA are seen as 'Freedom Fighters' in some parts of America and not terrorists, so it would not be Politically Correct for America to stop them
"Didn't he say International Terrorism? The Northern Ireland thing could be seen as internal to the UK, and therefore America would not get involved." So far Bin Laden has directed all assaults against American targets. The car bomb outside the WTC a few years ago. The embassy bombings in east Africa. The bombing of the naval ship in Oman. and of course the lastest disaster. This doesn't seem very "International" to me. So why should Britain become involved with America's terrorism and ignore what's happening on it's own doorstep with the IRA? :confused:
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One guy on a radio station in the UK made a very good point, when President Bush says he's going to put a stop to terrorism, does that mean he's going to stop the 30 years worth of terror that's been ripping Northern Ireland apart and all the bombing that's been happening in the UK. I live near Manchester and I'll never forget the day the IRA bombed Manchester. Also some of the funding for IRA is coming from the American people. Thoughts on this one please.
So what is your solution to the problems in Northern Ireland? Blitz the Nationalists in west Belfast? It is true that the IRA have brought shame and infamy to the Irish people. But take a look at the likes of Maggie Tatcher and her predecessors. If I was from the UK I would also be ashamed of these people's solutions to the problems in Northern Ireland. The point I am making is it is never the answer to blitz a country in reaction to the actions of a few nutters who probably do not represent the opinions of the vast majority of the people of that country. Gut reaction is the major failing of humankind. -Mike Remember: Software is only a tool
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One guy on a radio station in the UK made a very good point, when President Bush says he's going to put a stop to terrorism, does that mean he's going to stop the 30 years worth of terror that's been ripping Northern Ireland apart and all the bombing that's been happening in the UK. I live near Manchester and I'll never forget the day the IRA bombed Manchester. Also some of the funding for IRA is coming from the American people. Thoughts on this one please.
It's all part of an old game called "political lobbying". I also lived in Manchester (went to Univ. of Manchester for my engineering degree) and saw how the British media treats IRA. Now I live near Washington D.C. and see things are quite different as you said. Isn’t it interesting how the term “terrorism” is used (or abused) as we cross the boundaries of our lands? What is termed as an “independent struggle” in one place can easily be viewed as “terrorism” in a different place. The same can be seen in relation to Middle East conflict. May be the media should use a HTML – like tag to describe which side they are on. // Fazlul
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It's all part of an old game called "political lobbying". I also lived in Manchester (went to Univ. of Manchester for my engineering degree) and saw how the British media treats IRA. Now I live near Washington D.C. and see things are quite different as you said. Isn’t it interesting how the term “terrorism” is used (or abused) as we cross the boundaries of our lands? What is termed as an “independent struggle” in one place can easily be viewed as “terrorism” in a different place. The same can be seen in relation to Middle East conflict. May be the media should use a HTML – like tag to describe which side they are on. // Fazlul
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Good point Fazlul, Is it not amazing that you can get more sensible conversation from a few minutes of using Code project disussion forum, than a week of watching CNN. Peace be with you Remember: Software is only a tool
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Good point Fazlul, Is it not amazing that you can get more sensible conversation from a few minutes of using Code project disussion forum, than a week of watching CNN. Peace be with you Remember: Software is only a tool
Forgot to mention this important point. G.W.Bush is right to demand bin Laden's head on a platter. If bin Laden was instrumental in the NY attack, hanging is too good for him. He should be hung in Time Square without a blindfold. Remember: Software is only a tool
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Forgot to mention this important point. G.W.Bush is right to demand bin Laden's head on a platter. If bin Laden was instrumental in the NY attack, hanging is too good for him. He should be hung in Time Square without a blindfold. Remember: Software is only a tool
Agreed. Whoever has done this horrific act shouldn't go unpunished. // Fazlul
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So what is your solution to the problems in Northern Ireland? Blitz the Nationalists in west Belfast? It is true that the IRA have brought shame and infamy to the Irish people. But take a look at the likes of Maggie Tatcher and her predecessors. If I was from the UK I would also be ashamed of these people's solutions to the problems in Northern Ireland. The point I am making is it is never the answer to blitz a country in reaction to the actions of a few nutters who probably do not represent the opinions of the vast majority of the people of that country. Gut reaction is the major failing of humankind. -Mike Remember: Software is only a tool
Please don't put words in my post. I haven't suggested any solution, especially one that involves blanket killing, I don't believe there can be a simple solution to this or any other similar conflict. I was only trying to say that Politics is involved in the response being planned by Bush and that Terrorism will only be stopped where it is 'Politically Correct'. In the current situation, there won't be many Americans shouting if Bin Laden hitches a ride on a tomahawke, but since some Americans are pro IRA, it would not be a good political move to act against them.
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"Didn't he say International Terrorism? The Northern Ireland thing could be seen as internal to the UK, and therefore America would not get involved." So far Bin Laden has directed all assaults against American targets. The car bomb outside the WTC a few years ago. The embassy bombings in east Africa. The bombing of the naval ship in Oman. and of course the lastest disaster. This doesn't seem very "International" to me. So why should Britain become involved with America's terrorism and ignore what's happening on it's own doorstep with the IRA? :confused:
Probably because British citizens (200?) died in the WTC too. Not to mention that the US is an ally of the UK. As far as Northern Ireland goes I believe the only reason British troops are in NI is to stop the two sides from starting open warfare. :(( I'll stick my neck out further and say that most people in Britain and the Irish Republic are sick of the whole thing, and would be quite happy if NI left the UK altogether (I doubt whether Ireland wants it as part of the Republic either). My own opinions I hasten to add. Flame me if you wish. ;P Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
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It is an interesting contrast, how we deal with terrorism in our own backyard and how we deal with Middle Eastern terrorism. I can't quiet see Tony Blair bombing Dublin/Belfast until they hand over Real IRA suspects. However he's certainly going to go along with airstrikes against Middle East terrorist hiding places. To me there should be no difference between how we treat the IRA and how we treat Bin laden groups. It certainly is a quandry for the British government. Michael :-)
Hey, that was a really good point, i'll have to remember that. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com