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Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends -
Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature endsI doubt they're scared. There is too much money to be made by marketing to sheer stupidity. Now, I am not trying to imply that all, or even most, Windows users are stupid - far from it! But by far and away the vast majority of stupid people are Windows users. As long as there are stupid people, there will be a market for dumbed-down OSes and products with animated characters that look cool but don't really do anything. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein
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Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature endsI couldn't agree with you more. One of my favorite quotes when it comes to OS' is, "You pay for your operating system, no matter what it is" (heard on Slashdot, no less. Dont worry, i stopped going there years ago). In any case, i think it rings true for the whole range of OS'. Microsoft, you pay money. Open-source (linux, unix, *bsd) you pay with time. Macs you pay with...well, they're macs (ok, mainly you pay with money, plus a little time getting used to them). In any case, it all comes down to what you're looking for in an OS. D Daniel Larsen, Professional Casanova Blood, Sweat, Toil and Tears
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Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature endsOnce Linux moves beyond the web/email server (where it rules) and has a consistant desktop to design for AND for the user to really use (KDE? QT? G? R? IceBox?), *then* we'll see about it. Right now, non of the clients I've been working with are even considering Linux - hell, most of them are still using Windows 95 (why upgrade? it works, and for simple data entry, this is ALL THEY NEED). On the server side, Windows 2000 and SQL 2000 are the bomb - affordable. Sorry, but Postgress [sp?]/MySQL ain't there yet. Two or three more major versions, then yes, we'll see some serious look-see's. I've done the cross-platform development back BEFORE there was a good Windows - try going Motif<->Mac<->Win31. I'm very happy to stick with one platform. IfDef's suck. I think the real reason that people are thinking about moving away from Microsoft is two fold. First, M$ always wants more money - instead of fixing the bugs and polishing, they keep ramming new and unneeded features on people. This leads into the current problem - with a 90% installed base, the product has to be TOTALLY bullet-proof (not secure, that's a user problem - pick a password, idiot - that's how Linux web pages get defaced). The home user - our moms, for example - has no clue, and shouldn't have. It's OUR jobs as developers to use strncpy, not strcpy. Check for null pointers. Respond to error codes. Etc. ...wanders off muttering to himself...
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com "Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the Way." - Chuang-Tzu "Zen in the Martial Arts"
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Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature endsI fully agree with you. I always was one of the “Windows zealots”, and defended MS enthusiastically, because I always saw MS doing better software than competitors do. However, from the last year to now, I am shocked how Linux (and all other OSS) seems to be taking large steps getting better, while MS sits there, just looking and doing nothing about it nor significantly improving its products (at least, not at the same pace). The situation seems very similar to when MS gave a kick on IBM on microcomputers two decades ago, and when IBM woke up with OS/2 it was too late. IBM was so big that it never saw from where the kick came from. MS even seems to be easing the path for Linux migration with .NET. Mono is becoming a very viable alternative to .NET and several things work there already. Most of my software is .NET now, and it runs on Linux almost without modification. I am strongly considering getting my home machine running only Linux, as soon as I manage to connect to our ISA-server based VPN. Even a Terminal Services RDP is working well. Man, they even ported to Linux emule, a program with heavy MFC use. Moreover, I have to admit; even on Windows, I do not use IE anymore: I use Mozilla, because it has those cool tabs, a nice googlebar, those mouse gestures I became addicted, and the incremental searching on pages. You can do it on anything you choose - from .bat to .net - A customer
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Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature endsJohn Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were. "but down deep, you know it's GOING to be better than where you were" I would say. How long it will take is another question... jhaga --------------------------------- I have discovered that all human evil comes from this, man's being unable to sit still in a room. Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662)
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Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature endshey john i think its that the corporates and others are moving to linux on the backend for costs and perceived security reasons (right or wrong) and us poor sods have to figure out a way to make windows work as a client to linux as a server ... thats where i see things going in my world and it isnt that tough anymore ... i set up a linux server with apache and ftp and php and mysql etc for the first time from scratch and it took a couple of hours only think im beginning to like it too :)
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Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature endsNice quote. In our marketplace (primarily the Automotive sector - most of the big manufacturers and tens of thousands of dealerships worldwide) there is zero sign of desktop Linux - servers yes, but no-one has expressed any interest in using Linux as a Windows desktop replacement - and we have a LOT of customers. Doesn't mean it isn't going to happen though, and I fully expect to be porting some of my apps to Linux within a few years. The prospect of this fills me with both fear and excitement - fear because, well, better the devil you know, and are there actually any decent development environments for Linux? :) or will years of using MS IDEs be a problem? I've heard people say that Visual Studio - any version - bombs what Linux has to offer back to the Stone Age. Excitement because, well, it's something different and MS seem to have lost the plot (innovation - what's that?). I have already had a tinker with wxWindows (only on the Windows side) and it looks promising but we also do a lot of Unix development here (I don't, but others in my dept. do) and cross-platform coding is a royal pain in the arse. #ifdefs everywhere and some of the uglisets code you'll ever see. It's bad enough targetting multiple flavours of *nix! I think there are some serious issues to resolve before people like my mum and dad will be using desktop Linux - lack of information, lack of knowledge, and, let's be honest, an air of "Go and RTFM, Noob!" about the "community". How will that pan out do you think? What's to stop, I dunno, RedHat becoming the next MS for example? Lots of questions, but even little me - a Windows puritan - can see the writing on the wall...
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Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature endsJohn Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there CPians are all tech-heads who can easily deal with installing and upgrading linux, freebsd. My point is that it doesnt really matter. Most home users I know do not talk about operating systems at all. They talk about applications. My dad talks about MSN messenger, Photoshop, and Canon Zoombrowser ( X| ). If these applications were available on Linux he would probably not even notice if I switched the home pc to linux. I think this is the state of most home users.
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Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends...
David Wulff
I’m right there beside you; if only you could see; smiling so you can’t see my tears.
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Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature endsmy take on linux vs. microsoft.... i hear so much b/s on the argument. microsoft is amazing for what they have accomplished.. if it was so easy, why havent you written an o/s that replaces microsofts. its not microsoft monopoly that keeps us working with microsoft, its that nothing is better for multimedia rich data processing / manipulation, or user-friendliness within a production environment than windows. but... linux is too amazing for what it has accomplished. A savvy linux users can cut so much overhead outta their o/s that bar none, it can be speedier than windows on many internet / networking related tasks. this is great to some of us , but of no concern to our general computer user who just want some net access /run games. Microsoft has much more support / functionallity built in to support say video / audio manipulation... whereas linux is better if you want a thin o/s , and FULL control over the movement of data within your o/s. they both have their place and work well together, and niether will replace the other in any near future (or at least a few year)... todo.... :: insert inpirational text here ::
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David Wulff
I’m right there beside you; if only you could see; smiling so you can’t see my tears.
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Has anyone stopped to realize that even here on CP, there are more and more posts about moving to Linux (or at least dabbling in it)? Has Microsoft GOTTEN a clue yet? When the developers start toying with the idea of changing to Linux, doesn't that literrally scare the hell outa Microsoft? I think it should. I posted this in a thread on another website that I frequent when someone asked what was so great about Linux:
Linux is great if you have a lot of time to spend on what amounts to re-learning how to walk upright. It's the computer equivalant of Neo escaping his pod in The Matrix. It's gonna be a bit scary, and you're just gonna stare open-mouthed at some of the crap you're seeing for the first time, but down deep, you KNOW it's better than where you were.------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature endsI think most of you so far have missed the point. I'm not talking about end-users, I'm talking about the programmers here on CP that are talking about Linux more every day, and whether or not MS has taken notice. Afterall (and regardless of whether or not MS wants to admit it), Windows is a success because of *us*. We all jumped on the bandwagon and programmed our asses off to come up with applications. I think the same thing is about to happen with Linux, and if it does, Windows will become nothing but a memory for most of us. With the talk of a managed API in Longhorn, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a good number of programms that are currently writing for Windows just collectively say "screw this", and move en masse to Linux where the dev tools are free or relatively cheap, and the OS remains fairly static in terms of what it does. I know *I'm* tired of MS changing the rules EVERY YEAR (OLE, no wait, DDE, no wait COM, no wait, DCOM, no wait, .NET) without fixing things that are wrong with the previous year's crap. If more Windows programmers were to make the switch to Linux, I think Linux would become that much better (and viable on the desktop) that much faster. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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I think most of you so far have missed the point. I'm not talking about end-users, I'm talking about the programmers here on CP that are talking about Linux more every day, and whether or not MS has taken notice. Afterall (and regardless of whether or not MS wants to admit it), Windows is a success because of *us*. We all jumped on the bandwagon and programmed our asses off to come up with applications. I think the same thing is about to happen with Linux, and if it does, Windows will become nothing but a memory for most of us. With the talk of a managed API in Longhorn, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a good number of programms that are currently writing for Windows just collectively say "screw this", and move en masse to Linux where the dev tools are free or relatively cheap, and the OS remains fairly static in terms of what it does. I know *I'm* tired of MS changing the rules EVERY YEAR (OLE, no wait, DDE, no wait COM, no wait, DCOM, no wait, .NET) without fixing things that are wrong with the previous year's crap. If more Windows programmers were to make the switch to Linux, I think Linux would become that much better (and viable on the desktop) that much faster. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
>If more Windows programmers were to make the switch to Linux, >I think Linux would become that much better (and viable on >the desktop) that much faster. And why's would they suddenly decide to do that? Most of us programmers will only switch if our customers demand Linux versions of our Windows apps. I don't have the time to p*ss about with Linux in my spare time let alone consider porting any of my existing apps "for fun" - and porting massive MFC apps isn't going to be easy - it's going to be expensive, time-consuming and probably frustrating if Linux dev tools are as bad as I hear. Unless their is a commercial need for it, it won't happen. Personally, I expect more and more of our customers *will* try desktop Linux in the coming years, but *if* they don't then here's one programmer that will be sticking with MS! If a customer is willing to pay big bucks for us to make the switch, then we will - but it's gonna cost 'em - and perhaps wipe out any saving they make from switching in the first place! It'll be an interesting few years.
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I think most of you so far have missed the point. I'm not talking about end-users, I'm talking about the programmers here on CP that are talking about Linux more every day, and whether or not MS has taken notice. Afterall (and regardless of whether or not MS wants to admit it), Windows is a success because of *us*. We all jumped on the bandwagon and programmed our asses off to come up with applications. I think the same thing is about to happen with Linux, and if it does, Windows will become nothing but a memory for most of us. With the talk of a managed API in Longhorn, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a good number of programms that are currently writing for Windows just collectively say "screw this", and move en masse to Linux where the dev tools are free or relatively cheap, and the OS remains fairly static in terms of what it does. I know *I'm* tired of MS changing the rules EVERY YEAR (OLE, no wait, DDE, no wait COM, no wait, DCOM, no wait, .NET) without fixing things that are wrong with the previous year's crap. If more Windows programmers were to make the switch to Linux, I think Linux would become that much better (and viable on the desktop) that much faster. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
but we would only start developing for linux en masse if the demand from users was there and that will be driven by desktop users not server side stuff personally i wouldnt touch linux as a desktop system right now ... the apps for general usage are pretty crappy compared to windows stuff (think office, photoshop, etc) but yeah im getting familiar with it from a coding perspective cos i think its gonna be an important skill one of these days :)
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I think most of you so far have missed the point. I'm not talking about end-users, I'm talking about the programmers here on CP that are talking about Linux more every day, and whether or not MS has taken notice. Afterall (and regardless of whether or not MS wants to admit it), Windows is a success because of *us*. We all jumped on the bandwagon and programmed our asses off to come up with applications. I think the same thing is about to happen with Linux, and if it does, Windows will become nothing but a memory for most of us. With the talk of a managed API in Longhorn, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a good number of programms that are currently writing for Windows just collectively say "screw this", and move en masse to Linux where the dev tools are free or relatively cheap, and the OS remains fairly static in terms of what it does. I know *I'm* tired of MS changing the rules EVERY YEAR (OLE, no wait, DDE, no wait COM, no wait, DCOM, no wait, .NET) without fixing things that are wrong with the previous year's crap. If more Windows programmers were to make the switch to Linux, I think Linux would become that much better (and viable on the desktop) that much faster. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Oh ! I must be one of them who missed your point. Currently there seems to be a vicious cycle , the main beneficiary of which is Microsoft. Lets take an example , my sister whose main use of the computer is for editing using Adobe Premiere. (1) She wants to use Adobe Premiere ----> She must choose MS-Windows so that he/she can have (1) The question is what will motivate Adobe to port Premiere to Linux so that the user can *cut* MS out of this cycle. I see this pattern repeated in every corporate desktop environment. There are one or two "flagship" applications that are used, such as AutoCAD, Illustrator, Rational Rose, which pretty much determines the OS. Microsoft gets to walk away with a neat chunk of change due to this arrangement. MS however has nothing to worry about as of yet. Even today Linux is no match for Windows when it comes to UI development, Graphics, Multimedia. I tried a hello-world in 'X' and it is X|
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I think most of you so far have missed the point. I'm not talking about end-users, I'm talking about the programmers here on CP that are talking about Linux more every day, and whether or not MS has taken notice. Afterall (and regardless of whether or not MS wants to admit it), Windows is a success because of *us*. We all jumped on the bandwagon and programmed our asses off to come up with applications. I think the same thing is about to happen with Linux, and if it does, Windows will become nothing but a memory for most of us. With the talk of a managed API in Longhorn, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a good number of programms that are currently writing for Windows just collectively say "screw this", and move en masse to Linux where the dev tools are free or relatively cheap, and the OS remains fairly static in terms of what it does. I know *I'm* tired of MS changing the rules EVERY YEAR (OLE, no wait, DDE, no wait COM, no wait, DCOM, no wait, .NET) without fixing things that are wrong with the previous year's crap. If more Windows programmers were to make the switch to Linux, I think Linux would become that much better (and viable on the desktop) that much faster. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I think most of you so far have missed the point. I'm not talking about end-users, I'm talking about the programmers here on CP that are talking about Linux more every day I think you are confusing your Linux forum site with CP. Most of the Linux talk here is the same Linux talk we have had for years. Go collect some proof and then I will listen.
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I think most of you so far have missed the point. I'm not talking about end-users, I'm talking about the programmers here on CP that are talking about Linux more every day, and whether or not MS has taken notice. Afterall (and regardless of whether or not MS wants to admit it), Windows is a success because of *us*. We all jumped on the bandwagon and programmed our asses off to come up with applications. I think the same thing is about to happen with Linux, and if it does, Windows will become nothing but a memory for most of us. With the talk of a managed API in Longhorn, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a good number of programms that are currently writing for Windows just collectively say "screw this", and move en masse to Linux where the dev tools are free or relatively cheap, and the OS remains fairly static in terms of what it does. I know *I'm* tired of MS changing the rules EVERY YEAR (OLE, no wait, DDE, no wait COM, no wait, DCOM, no wait, .NET) without fixing things that are wrong with the previous year's crap. If more Windows programmers were to make the switch to Linux, I think Linux would become that much better (and viable on the desktop) that much faster. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 "You won't like me when I'm angry..." - Dr. Bruce Banner Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Well said, John! "... and programmed our asses off to ..." :laugh: Vikram.
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but we would only start developing for linux en masse if the demand from users was there and that will be driven by desktop users not server side stuff personally i wouldnt touch linux as a desktop system right now ... the apps for general usage are pretty crappy compared to windows stuff (think office, photoshop, etc) but yeah im getting familiar with it from a coding perspective cos i think its gonna be an important skill one of these days :)
I agree with all of what you say- except for the second para. I *do* use Linux, though not as heavily as Windows. Colleges in India are moving to Linux- almost en masse. Vikram.
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