KDE v's GNOME
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I use KDE under Red Hat 7.1, and it crashes every 2.5 seconds. :-D Of course I'm exaggerating, but KDE is definitely NOT the model of stability. When I get the time, I'm going back to GNOME. KDE does look very nice, though. Jon Sagara Sagara Software
Which versions of KDE and x do you use? I've got KDE2.2 and X4.something. KDE has never crashed on me. Josh josh@that-guy.net
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I run slackware at home and use KDE's latest release for my desktop. Gnome is good as well but I just find KDE's interface more intuitive. I think its just a matter of preference since they're both pretty well done compared to previous releases. KDE comes with all sorts of great apps. KOffice is more than sufficient for any Office type tasks and KDevelop is a great IDE, similar in design to visual C++. The one thing I really would like to see implemented in windoze is the virtual desktop feature found in *nix. Anyways, that's my 2 cents.... Josh josh@that-guy.net
Josh, For a Windows Virtual Screen manager check out Johan Piculell's "VirtuaWin" at http://w1.457.telia.com/~u45706979/ I searched for a long time for a suitable Windows manager when I came across this one. It's GNU. It also has a neat "add-on" capability where people can provide add-ons and publish them on Johan's site. Very neat stuff. I like it because it stays out of the way (ie no on screen little windows etc) but it still displays which screen you're on in the Toolbar. I am able to switch screens using (configurable) hotkeys (I use Alt 1,2,3,4 etc). An absolute must have utility AFAIK. BTW, I run almost exactly opposite to the default setup.:eek: Peter Hayward Ngarkat Technologies Dulwich, South Australia, Australia 61 8 8364 7060 phayward@bigfoot.com
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Okay maybe this is not the site to ask it on, but I value your opinions. I know there are a lot of good coders here with open minds and loads of experience. I've not really touched a UNIX box in 2 years, except when I was on a PERL course recently, and felt nostalgic. I've decided to install one of my home machine with Linux (Mandrake 8.0), and was wondering what people thought about GNOME and KDE? I'm still going to stick with MS, just because the developemt tools are such a sheer joy to use. I know that developer tools are one of the things MS has not been thanked for, yet everyone else has tried to copy, and not come close. So KDE or GENOME and why?????? :eek: I used to use XWindows, and don't know the difference between these two. I've used KDE undr Corel Linux as was disapointed. :( What do you think.......;P Giles
Hello, the codegurus around the world.;) I use GNOME on my RedHat Linux 7.0 box. I used to read the article that Linux group picks up GNOME as the default GUI, but KDE groups don't like this, and it still keeps developing this.:(( If Linux becomes more popluar as the desktop, two differnet GUIs like GNOME and KDE may not be good among the users of Linux.:confused: Have a nice day!
-Masaaki Onishi-
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Okay maybe this is not the site to ask it on, but I value your opinions. I know there are a lot of good coders here with open minds and loads of experience. I've not really touched a UNIX box in 2 years, except when I was on a PERL course recently, and felt nostalgic. I've decided to install one of my home machine with Linux (Mandrake 8.0), and was wondering what people thought about GNOME and KDE? I'm still going to stick with MS, just because the developemt tools are such a sheer joy to use. I know that developer tools are one of the things MS has not been thanked for, yet everyone else has tried to copy, and not come close. So KDE or GENOME and why?????? :eek: I used to use XWindows, and don't know the difference between these two. I've used KDE undr Corel Linux as was disapointed. :( What do you think.......;P Giles
I mostly use KDE for better integration between the apps and for programmming reason. KDE bases on Qt toolkit, a C++ library and it has a powerful free IDE called KDevelop. My favourite apps in KDE is Konqueror and KOffice. I install version 2.2 and it is very nice . jamal
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Hello, the codegurus around the world.;) I use GNOME on my RedHat Linux 7.0 box. I used to read the article that Linux group picks up GNOME as the default GUI, but KDE groups don't like this, and it still keeps developing this.:(( If Linux becomes more popluar as the desktop, two differnet GUIs like GNOME and KDE may not be good among the users of Linux.:confused: Have a nice day!
-Masaaki Onishi-
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Which versions of KDE and x do you use? I've got KDE2.2 and X4.something. KDE has never crashed on me. Josh josh@that-guy.net
Ahhh... maybe that's the problem. I'm running KDE 2.1. I tried it several times, it crashed a bunch, and I said "Screw it, I'm going back to bash." I had pretty much given up on KDE. Hopefully it's more stable now. Jon Sagara Sagara Software
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If Linux becomes more popluar as the desktop, two differnet GUIs like GNOME and KDE may not be good among the users of Linux Why not? XP seems to have two GUI...
I think the problem is that KDE apps won't run under GNOME and vice-versa. I currently see this as the biggest problem for the Linux crowd, since it means that only half as many applications will be written for the Linux environment. I could be wrong though. Please correct me if that is the case. Christian Skovdal Andersen
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Okay maybe this is not the site to ask it on, but I value your opinions. I know there are a lot of good coders here with open minds and loads of experience. I've not really touched a UNIX box in 2 years, except when I was on a PERL course recently, and felt nostalgic. I've decided to install one of my home machine with Linux (Mandrake 8.0), and was wondering what people thought about GNOME and KDE? I'm still going to stick with MS, just because the developemt tools are such a sheer joy to use. I know that developer tools are one of the things MS has not been thanked for, yet everyone else has tried to copy, and not come close. So KDE or GENOME and why?????? :eek: I used to use XWindows, and don't know the difference between these two. I've used KDE undr Corel Linux as was disapointed. :( What do you think.......;P Giles
An interesting point of view can be seen in the last editions (September and October) of Dr. Dobb's Journal. Here, in two consecutive articles the merits of KDE and GNOME are inspected from a programmer's point of view. The author (Al Stevens in his 'C Programming' column) especially checks the underlying class libraries and is quite opposed to the quirks done by QT (the underlying class library of KDE). I checked KDE once, since I heard interesting rumours about KDevelop. Quite opposed to *nix things, especially opposed to EMACS and VI, I was astonished to hear from an integrated programming environment with integrated online help, dialog editor and other stuff similar to what we Windows programmers are accustomed to. Back then, it was KDevelop 1.4. This version came close to the visual appearance of MSVC, but failed in a very important aspect - the editor was a ONE source window at a time application - plain SDI. With today's screen estate (I'm sitting in front of a 1600x1024 display), I consider this braindead and unuseable. Hence I ceased my research. KDevelop 2.0 has MDI, finally, but I hadn't had time to evaluate it any further, since my job demands are still in the W2K world and here MSVC is my tool of choice. Whatever, this (KDE/KDevelop) is an interesting development which might finally bring *nix into the desktop development market.
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I think the problem is that KDE apps won't run under GNOME and vice-versa. I currently see this as the biggest problem for the Linux crowd, since it means that only half as many applications will be written for the Linux environment. I could be wrong though. Please correct me if that is the case. Christian Skovdal Andersen
AFAIK you are correct. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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AFAIK you are correct. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
Gnome can run KDE applications and vice versa (though not all of them). Its worth noting that Sun appears to have also decided to use Gnome for there default desktop in future version of Solaris. I think they have an article about it on they're web site. Gnome is totally open source using the GTK toolkit whilst QT which KDE uses is developed by a company called Trolltech which I believe is based in Norway.
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I use KDE under Red Hat 7.1, and it crashes every 2.5 seconds. :-D Of course I'm exaggerating, but KDE is definitely NOT the model of stability. When I get the time, I'm going back to GNOME. KDE does look very nice, though. Jon Sagara Sagara Software
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I think the problem is that KDE apps won't run under GNOME and vice-versa. I currently see this as the biggest problem for the Linux crowd, since it means that only half as many applications will be written for the Linux environment. I could be wrong though. Please correct me if that is the case. Christian Skovdal Andersen
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Okay maybe this is not the site to ask it on, but I value your opinions. I know there are a lot of good coders here with open minds and loads of experience. I've not really touched a UNIX box in 2 years, except when I was on a PERL course recently, and felt nostalgic. I've decided to install one of my home machine with Linux (Mandrake 8.0), and was wondering what people thought about GNOME and KDE? I'm still going to stick with MS, just because the developemt tools are such a sheer joy to use. I know that developer tools are one of the things MS has not been thanked for, yet everyone else has tried to copy, and not come close. So KDE or GENOME and why?????? :eek: I used to use XWindows, and don't know the difference between these two. I've used KDE undr Corel Linux as was disapointed. :( What do you think.......;P Giles
I have tried both, GNOME and KDE. I prefer to use the KDE. With redhat linux, you can install both and choose which one you would like to operate under when you log in. Also, you can install it on a Windows machine, without messing up your WIndow's files. Visit Ltpb.8m.com Surf the web faster than ever: http://www.404Browser.com
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Yup, as long as the libs for each are installed. Josh josh@that-guy.net
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I go for GNOME, as a KDE sitting at the bottom of the garden just doesn't look right. ;P Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
LOL! :-D
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Gnome can run KDE applications and vice versa (though not all of them). Its worth noting that Sun appears to have also decided to use Gnome for there default desktop in future version of Solaris. I think they have an article about it on they're web site. Gnome is totally open source using the GTK toolkit whilst QT which KDE uses is developed by a company called Trolltech which I believe is based in Norway.
True, KDE uses QT which is free for use if your app is free to use. If your app is commercial then QT has a license fee/royalty attached. Can't remember which. However, if you are targetting Windows *as well as Linux and Unix*, then QT is clearly the way to go as the GUI only gets written once, provided of course that you write the QT version prior to writing the Windows/Linux/Unix version. Ahem, I've just finished my Windows prog and it doesn't use QT, so I'm up a gum tree without a paddle, or something like that. As to which is better, KDE or Gnome, I've no idea. I haven't looked into it. Cheers Stephen Kellett -- C++/Java/Win NT/Unix variants Memory leaks/corruptions/performance/system problems. UK based. Problems with RSI/WRULD? Contact me for advice.
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True, KDE uses QT which is free for use if your app is free to use. If your app is commercial then QT has a license fee/royalty attached. Can't remember which. However, if you are targetting Windows *as well as Linux and Unix*, then QT is clearly the way to go as the GUI only gets written once, provided of course that you write the QT version prior to writing the Windows/Linux/Unix version. Ahem, I've just finished my Windows prog and it doesn't use QT, so I'm up a gum tree without a paddle, or something like that. As to which is better, KDE or Gnome, I've no idea. I haven't looked into it. Cheers Stephen Kellett -- C++/Java/Win NT/Unix variants Memory leaks/corruptions/performance/system problems. UK based. Problems with RSI/WRULD? Contact me for advice.
Damn, That would have been so much cooler if I'd said... As to which is better, KDE or Gnome, I've no idea, truth is a three edged sword. :-) Stephen Kellett -- C++/Java/Win NT/Unix variants Memory leaks/corruptions/performance/system problems. UK based. Problems with RSI/WRULD? Contact me for advice.
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An interesting point of view can be seen in the last editions (September and October) of Dr. Dobb's Journal. Here, in two consecutive articles the merits of KDE and GNOME are inspected from a programmer's point of view. The author (Al Stevens in his 'C Programming' column) especially checks the underlying class libraries and is quite opposed to the quirks done by QT (the underlying class library of KDE). I checked KDE once, since I heard interesting rumours about KDevelop. Quite opposed to *nix things, especially opposed to EMACS and VI, I was astonished to hear from an integrated programming environment with integrated online help, dialog editor and other stuff similar to what we Windows programmers are accustomed to. Back then, it was KDevelop 1.4. This version came close to the visual appearance of MSVC, but failed in a very important aspect - the editor was a ONE source window at a time application - plain SDI. With today's screen estate (I'm sitting in front of a 1600x1024 display), I consider this braindead and unuseable. Hence I ceased my research. KDevelop 2.0 has MDI, finally, but I hadn't had time to evaluate it any further, since my job demands are still in the W2K world and here MSVC is my tool of choice. Whatever, this (KDE/KDevelop) is an interesting development which might finally bring *nix into the desktop development market.
This version came close to the visual appearance of MSVC, but failed in a very important aspect - the editor was a ONE source window at a time application - plain SDI. Indeed, I've met quite a few talented people that insisted on using cough, splutter - vi - the worst editor in the world, after edlin. Single file at a time, or multiple files, but only sequentially, and fully modal interface. Completely unproductive software. But, switch to Emacs, turn on cough, splutter vi mode, and you've a decent multi buffer, fully configurable editor, complete with keystroke compatible vi emulation. I still think thats appalling, but at least its somewhat productive. These days I get to think about the type of people I want to hire. And sure I want bright guys and gals, but I want them productive as well, and by definition, vi isn't. So why do people use this appaling product? Cheers Stephen Kellett -- C++/Java/Win NT/Unix variants Memory leaks/corruptions/performance/system problems. UK based. Problems with RSI/WRULD? Contact me for advice.