Patents..
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Some of the biggest users of plug-ins are Adobe Reader (pdf files), Macromedia Flash and Shockwave, Quicktime, Real One Player and MS Media Player - if the patent is upheld, literally hundreds of thousands of website will "break". No more on-line documentation, movie trailers or music videos. Steve
I really don't want to get started on everything I think is wrong with the U.S. Patent system today or I would be writing a reply all day long. I do think that the system is just plain horrible. No longer do you need to be creative or anything, you can simply run a business by patenting every idea you ever had and just hope some company starts using it and then wait a couple of years(Because you want to wait till it's impossible for them to stop) and sue them. It doesn't have to be broad even something like "The process of inhaling and exhaling gasses" would work just fine. You now owe me $0.05 every time you breathe or smoke (I'll have my lawyers contact you shortly if you choose to do this without paying royalties) I mean look at the current suit against Palm. Where they are being sued by a patent that states something like a small credit card sized device that stores SSN# and CC#'s and all that jazz. A court just overturned a dismissal saying that the patent doesn't just cover that sized device to they are suing again. Now without the size as an issue isn't it just a computer? This patent was in 94 there were plenty of those cheesy electronic organizers before then. Then there are the people who are suing over the transmission of Audio or Video through the internet. They have been going after several adult sites. The people who were suing e-commerce sites over "The use of a video screen to display text and images to sell goods" just had its first defeat in court. The fact that it even got that far is disgusting. I think it's gonna get far worse before it gets better. :doh:
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I really don't want to get started on everything I think is wrong with the U.S. Patent system today or I would be writing a reply all day long. I do think that the system is just plain horrible. No longer do you need to be creative or anything, you can simply run a business by patenting every idea you ever had and just hope some company starts using it and then wait a couple of years(Because you want to wait till it's impossible for them to stop) and sue them. It doesn't have to be broad even something like "The process of inhaling and exhaling gasses" would work just fine. You now owe me $0.05 every time you breathe or smoke (I'll have my lawyers contact you shortly if you choose to do this without paying royalties) I mean look at the current suit against Palm. Where they are being sued by a patent that states something like a small credit card sized device that stores SSN# and CC#'s and all that jazz. A court just overturned a dismissal saying that the patent doesn't just cover that sized device to they are suing again. Now without the size as an issue isn't it just a computer? This patent was in 94 there were plenty of those cheesy electronic organizers before then. Then there are the people who are suing over the transmission of Audio or Video through the internet. They have been going after several adult sites. The people who were suing e-commerce sites over "The use of a video screen to display text and images to sell goods" just had its first defeat in court. The fact that it even got that far is disgusting. I think it's gonna get far worse before it gets better. :doh:
I agree fully. I think patents are downright ridiculous, and stifle free trade. Kluch wrote: even something like "The process of inhaling and exhaling gasses" would work just fine :laugh: ROTFL! :laugh:
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Some of the biggest users of plug-ins are Adobe Reader (pdf files), Macromedia Flash and Shockwave, Quicktime, Real One Player and MS Media Player - if the patent is upheld, literally hundreds of thousands of website will "break". No more on-line documentation, movie trailers or music videos. Steve
Steve Mayfield wrote: if the patent is upheld, literally hundreds of thousands of website will "break". Yep, that is the problem! These companies are nothing more than leaches (spelling?)! Do you happen to know of any web sites that are devoted entirely unfair/unjust patents? Maybe has a list of all the patents that were approved than then later found invalid? Would be nice to find a site that would show how ineffective software and business methods patents and how the are stiffening growth of the industry. Can you imagine if the people where so patent crazed when the Internet first came out? There never would have been a www since it would have been patented and no one could afford the large fees to browse a page. Greed has destroyed a lot of businesses lately but it seems to keep growing! Rocky Moore <><
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Some of the biggest users of plug-ins are Adobe Reader (pdf files), Macromedia Flash and Shockwave, Quicktime, Real One Player and MS Media Player - if the patent is upheld, literally hundreds of thousands of website will "break". No more on-line documentation, movie trailers or music videos. Steve
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I really don't want to get started on everything I think is wrong with the U.S. Patent system today or I would be writing a reply all day long. I do think that the system is just plain horrible. No longer do you need to be creative or anything, you can simply run a business by patenting every idea you ever had and just hope some company starts using it and then wait a couple of years(Because you want to wait till it's impossible for them to stop) and sue them. It doesn't have to be broad even something like "The process of inhaling and exhaling gasses" would work just fine. You now owe me $0.05 every time you breathe or smoke (I'll have my lawyers contact you shortly if you choose to do this without paying royalties) I mean look at the current suit against Palm. Where they are being sued by a patent that states something like a small credit card sized device that stores SSN# and CC#'s and all that jazz. A court just overturned a dismissal saying that the patent doesn't just cover that sized device to they are suing again. Now without the size as an issue isn't it just a computer? This patent was in 94 there were plenty of those cheesy electronic organizers before then. Then there are the people who are suing over the transmission of Audio or Video through the internet. They have been going after several adult sites. The people who were suing e-commerce sites over "The use of a video screen to display text and images to sell goods" just had its first defeat in court. The fact that it even got that far is disgusting. I think it's gonna get far worse before it gets better. :doh:
I wonder how they ever got in the market of patenting ideas and not just products.. How do you think it will ever get stopped? Sounds like you are as unhappy with this as I, but what can people do? How would enough people get organized to actually make a difference and get his changed? Rocky Moore <><
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I wonder how they ever got in the market of patenting ideas and not just products.. How do you think it will ever get stopped? Sounds like you are as unhappy with this as I, but what can people do? How would enough people get organized to actually make a difference and get his changed? Rocky Moore <><
That's the $1,000,000.00 question. There seem to be a few sites out there that are devoted to it but I haven't come across anything all that serious. To answer one of your other questions I keep an eye on slashdot as it has most of the patent crazyness that goes on day to day. It's funny because I guess the UK was considering having software patents but the people seemed to have delayed the vote http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5070092.html?tag=fd_top[^] kinda cool that they were able to have there voices heard!
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But shouldn't he be able to? Shouldn't the flow of information be seamless between document types? I find it useful that I can click on a hyperlink in a Word document, and be directed to a PDF file or an HTML page or an SVG pag, etc, in the same window. It's called integrated information systems, and plugins are a prerequisite to that.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
But shouldn't he be able to? Shouldn't the flow of information be seamless between document types? I find it useful that I can click on a hyperlink in a Word document, and be directed to a PDF file or an HTML page or an SVG pag, etc, in the same window. It's called integrated information systems, and plugins are a prerequisite to that.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiAnd I'll add to that: Patenting plugins is a ridiculous idea, because in essence you're patenting the idea of extending a software product. What's there that is a unique and brilliant idea?
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi -
Do anyone think there is any hope to get out from under the software patents in the U.S.? They seem to have become nothing more than a ploy to feed off of other peoples work such as the recent problem with eBay and several others. Not to metion companies which has a sole purpose of licening them from one company to sue others, feeding off their work. Look at what is happening in the Microsoft case with IE Pluggins. They are now talking about trashing the plugin architecture because of patent issues. Not only them, this will also effect some open source products that do not have deep pockets. Where will all this go? The patent office awards patents on just about anything and there is no requirement to produce. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a limitation so that if you do no thave a product available to the public in two years or so, your patent is disolved? At least it would stop people who get patents only to sit on them. Any ideas? I know that they are now thinking about software patents on the other side of the pond (Europe), is that wise? Isn't copyright enough for software? Rocky Moore <><
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That's the $1,000,000.00 question. There seem to be a few sites out there that are devoted to it but I haven't come across anything all that serious. To answer one of your other questions I keep an eye on slashdot as it has most of the patent crazyness that goes on day to day. It's funny because I guess the UK was considering having software patents but the people seemed to have delayed the vote http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5070092.html?tag=fd_top[^] kinda cool that they were able to have there voices heard!
Yeah, that is cool! Rocky Moore <><
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Do anyone think there is any hope to get out from under the software patents in the U.S.? They seem to have become nothing more than a ploy to feed off of other peoples work such as the recent problem with eBay and several others. Not to metion companies which has a sole purpose of licening them from one company to sue others, feeding off their work. Look at what is happening in the Microsoft case with IE Pluggins. They are now talking about trashing the plugin architecture because of patent issues. Not only them, this will also effect some open source products that do not have deep pockets. Where will all this go? The patent office awards patents on just about anything and there is no requirement to produce. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a limitation so that if you do no thave a product available to the public in two years or so, your patent is disolved? At least it would stop people who get patents only to sit on them. Any ideas? I know that they are now thinking about software patents on the other side of the pond (Europe), is that wise? Isn't copyright enough for software? Rocky Moore <><
A voice[^] against US software patents. Rocky Moore wrote: Look at what is happening in the Microsoft case with IE Pluggins. They are now talking about trashing the plugin architecture because of patent issues. No, plugins != ActiveX If you remember things well, MS already provides with IE6 a browser that is meant not to support anymore plugins à la Netscape. So this patent doesn't change the trend, only enforces it. plugins use MIME types, ActiveX don't. MS keeps full strength on ActiveX and whatever they intend to do with it. By the way, ActiveX in web pages are slowly but firmly being replaced with smart clients, .NET winforms hosted by the CLR sandbox. The EOLAS patent is about the unique use of MIME types to identify and start external apps. It was made unique in a sense that MIME types were designed for emails, not web pages.
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But shouldn't he be able to? Shouldn't the flow of information be seamless between document types? I find it useful that I can click on a hyperlink in a Word document, and be directed to a PDF file or an HTML page or an SVG pag, etc, in the same window. It's called integrated information systems, and plugins are a prerequisite to that.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhijdunlap wrote: Shouldn't the flow of information be seamless between document types? There are at least two ways to do so, including : - through MIME types and a directory of external apps - through OLE (Active Documents). Both are patented. Only the first is being enforced. The second has helped a lot gain market share for IE.
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Steve Mayfield wrote: if the patent is upheld, literally hundreds of thousands of website will "break". Yep, that is the problem! These companies are nothing more than leaches (spelling?)! Do you happen to know of any web sites that are devoted entirely unfair/unjust patents? Maybe has a list of all the patents that were approved than then later found invalid? Would be nice to find a site that would show how ineffective software and business methods patents and how the are stiffening growth of the industry. Can you imagine if the people where so patent crazed when the Internet first came out? There never would have been a www since it would have been patented and no one could afford the large fees to browse a page. Greed has destroyed a lot of businesses lately but it seems to keep growing! Rocky Moore <><
Rocky Moore wrote: Do you happen to know of any web sites that are devoted entirely unfair/unjust patents? Maybe has a list of all the patents that were approved than then later found invalid? Would be nice to find a site that would show how ineffective software and business methods patents and how the are stiffening growth of the industry. Yes http://www.software-rus.com/ **Le Ridder Noir
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