lame jobs

Daniel Turini

Gary Kirkham wrote: is better than anything else that has been tried Exactly the reasoning of the original post. But is it better than things that haven't been tried? You can do it on anything you choose - from .bat to .net - A customer

Gary Kirkham

I don't know...what hasn't been tried? Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

brianwelsch

Capitalism is an idea, and doesn't know country boundaries. it's still working, just the opportunities are moving around the globe. Maybe people are struggling because they buy more crap than they can really afford too.

"Manifest plainness, embrace simplicity,
reduce selfishness, have few desires."
-- Lao Tzu

BW

KaRl

Travailler c'est trop dur Et voler c'est pas beau D'mander la charité C'est qu'que chose j' peux pas faire Chaque jour que moi je vis On m' demande de quoi je vis J' dis que j' vis sur l'amour Et j'espère de viv' vieux / (approximative translation) Working is too hard, And stealing is not good Asking for charity Is something I can't do Each day of my life, Somebody asks me how I make a living I say I live on love And I hope I'll live old (From a cajun song from Zachary Richard)

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed - Dwight D. Eisenhower

David Wulff

Wulffism. It's really rather good. You give me everything you own and in return I let you live on my planet and will kill anyone who upsets you.

David Wulff

"Sanity is just a state of mind, insanity is a developed past-time for Mr Wulff" - Jonny Newman

Marc Clifton

If you didn't want your three bedroom, two car garage house, if you could have succeeded in your first marriage and learned the lessons so that in your second you didn't need to go to counseling, if you only had had a vascectomy so the three kids, private schooling and planning for college didn't have to happen, and if you didn't want that sailboat, SUV, second vehicle, entertainment center, deluxe cable subscription, and, oh yes, if you took care of yourself, ate right, exercised and didn't smoke, you wouldn't be paying those insurance premiums and you wouldn't have to work yourself to death paying for all the rest! Come on. Programmers are ridiculously overpaid as it is! What other job is there where you can get paid an outrageous fee to put something together, and then on top of it, you get paid to fix it! And the mistakes were yours to begin with!!! Geez. In all other industries, the consumers would have sued your a**!!! Doctors get sued. Building constructors get sued. Plumbers get sued. Heck, even lawyers get sued! Cops get sued! But programmer getting sued? Hardly ever happens. They blame "management". Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!

Brit

Look on the bright side. Even under the 'exploitation' of capitalism, work hours have been in decline even as wealth has been increasing. One website, talking about a mill says, "The hours declined only under steady Pressure from state regulation. From an average 73 hours a week in the 1830s and 1840s, a 60-hour week was common by 1874. By 1912 mill owners could demand no more than 54 hours." ( Link[^] ) ------------------------------------------ The ousted but stubbornly non-dead leader reportedly released an audiotape this weekend, ending by calling on Iraqis to, quote, "resist the occupation in any way you can, from writing on walls, to boycotting, to demonstrating and taking up arms." adding, "you know, pretty much anything I used to kill you for." - The Daily Show

Gary Kirkham

But, what if you upset me? :) Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted paychecks

Zachery

"What would you do if you had a million dollars?" "Besides tow chicks at the same time?" "Yea." "I would do nothing." ... "You don't need a million dollars to do nothing. Look at my cousin, he's broke don't do sh^t" -Offic Space

..........Zack.......... Developer Extraordinaire && Full Time Geek

"I will stand on my side of the fence, reguardless of the circumstances or the consequence." - Monoxide "Wait! My brain is working!" - Ed "Everyone! I know something!!" - Freakazoid GCS\P\SS d- s-:- a-- C++$ U--- P--- L- E- W++ N o K-? w+++ O++ !M-- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X+ R++ tv++ b++ DI++ D+++ G+>G++++ e* h- r++ y+

Daniel Turini

Several things have not been tried. One of them is the total elimination of money. Other is people receiving money without working. And I think that both may happen, sooner or later; I'll try to explain without writing a book about it: :-D The base point of my reasoning is, “technology improvements will allow the society to get most of its needs without working”. If you do not agree with it, do not even bother to read the rest of my text. For a while you could even try to create some new needs (like software, nowadays), but this will someday fail as a mass employer. I do not risk guessing when it will happen, but I strongly believe it will. When this happens, most of people would be “unemployed”. Actually, the whole employment concept would disappear, since some sort of machine would do most of the work. Ok, there will be some work at machine design (assuming AI never achieves to build an electronic human brain), but this will not move the economy for 6x10^9 people (assuming population will not grow). Now, to whom will you sell your products if no one is working, and no one will have money? Money only makes sense when it is circulating, and one of the main gears of money circulation is working. This leads to my original affirmative: elimination of money or people receiving money without working. You can do it on anything you choose - from .bat to .net - A customer

David Wulff

If I upset you then you'd ask me to kill me and I'd be upset at you and have to ask me to kill you. Easy.

David Wulff

"Sanity is just a state of mind, insanity is a developed past-time for Mr Wulff" - Jonny Newman

peterchen

a) Because I like the job, and the place, and thetown, and the 10 minutes commute by bike b) I didn't starve to cdeath

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Matt Newman

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Zachery

To paraphrase Jack Handy: "I wish [robots] would conquer the Earth and make people their pets, because I'd like to have one of those little beds with my name on it."

..........Zack.......... Developer Extraordinaire && Full Time Geek

"I will stand on my side of the fence, reguardless of the circumstances or the consequence." - Monoxide "Wait! My brain is working!" - Ed "Everyone! I know something!!" - Freakazoid GCS\P\SS d- s-:- a-- C++$ U--- P--- L- E- W++ N o K-? w+++ O++ !M-- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X+ R++ tv++ b++ DI++ D+++ G+>G++++ e* h- r++ y+

Navin

Daniel Turini wrote: The base point of my reasoning is, “technology improvements will allow the society to get most of its needs without working”. If you do not agree with it, do not even bother to read the rest of my text. What about food? Sure, they have replicators in Star Trek, but I have a feeling the technology is a long way off. And of course, somebody has to work to maintain and improve technology. We'll always have to work one way or the other. (btw, I read to the end of your post anyway.) "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

Navin

No, the question is why do *you* put up with long working hours and lame pay? If you don't like your job, quit and do something else. If you aren't willing to do that, then it means you value something else (your location, your field of work, etc.) more than having a decent job or good pay. Which is ultimately your decision to make. As Mark pointed out, most software engineers make a lot more than those in other professions. I don't buy all this crap about people losing their jobs becuase they are moving to India, etc... the jobs I've seen move down there are maintenance or other grunt work. Most corporations aren't going to just up and move all of their trade secrets and intellectual property offshore. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

Daniel Turini

Food? Machines soon will be able to take care of a whole farm. Somebody has to work to maintain and improve technology (actually, improve for what? money?), but will this be able to employ 6,000,000,000 people? Or will we need only 100,000 (choose the number you want) jobs for this? Where will the other 5,999,900,000 people work? And these 100,000 lucky guys will receive all the money in the world. What about the rest? You can do it on anything you choose - from .bat to .net - A customer

David Wulff

Interesting thought - if replicators were a reality would they would elmininate the need for money?

David Wulff

"Sanity is just a state of mind, insanity is a developed past-time for Mr Wulff" - Jonny Newman

Gary Wheeler

I think you need to ease down on the medication there, son.

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Alvaro Mendez

Marc Clifton wrote: If you didn't want your three bedroom, two car garage house, if you could have succeeded in your first marriage and learned the lessons so that in your second you didn't need to go to counseling, if you only had had a vascectomy so the three kids, private schooling and planning for college didn't have to happen, and if you didn't want that sailboat, SUV, second vehicle, entertainment center, deluxe cable subscription, and, oh yes, if you took care of yourself, ate right, exercised and didn't smoke, you wouldn't be paying those insurance premiums and you wouldn't have to work yourself to death paying for all the rest! Damn straight! I blame the lottery-number-picking machine. It never picks the same 6 numbers I pick! :-) Marc Clifton wrote: Come on. Programmers are ridiculously overpaid as it is! Compared to who? How much should a programmer in the US make? If programmers are ridiculously overpaid, then what about professional atheletes? Marc Clifton wrote: And the mistakes were yours to begin with!!! The programmer made the mistakes, but why weren't they discovered before the product went out the door? In many cases it is management's fault for not QAing the thing well enough. Marc Clifton wrote: But programmer getting sued? Hardly ever happens. The programmer is often like the brick layer. Do you sue a brick layer or the company you contracted to build your house? Regards, Alvaro

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