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John Simmon outlaw programmer

As you know when and if Bush gets and kills Osama Bin Ladin, there will be 10 more Osama Bin Ladin. Osama Bin Ladin is the only major terriost group in the world and the minor ones are all linked to him. Osama Bin Ladin said that he will never ever commit a terrorist attack again if : a) America withdraws his troops from the middle east. b) Stop supporting Isreal. c) Mind their own business If Bush *really* wanted to stop Terrorism, he would do those things. America has nothing to lose by doing those things. Why doesn't America do those things ? It's So Simple !!! Just do those things and there will be no more American Lives at risk. BTW, America has supported terriost before to plot an assassination againts Cuban President, Fidel Castro. Why ? Well, the don't like the Cuban *System*. My words to American Government: Mind Your Own Business Hassan
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David Wulff

Osama Bin Ladin is the only major terriost group in the world Osama Bin Laden is a person, not a terrorist groupe. I think you are thinking of Al Quada, aka "The Base". Why doesn't America do those things? Because no country - America or otherwise - can ever give in to terrorism. Not in todays world anyway. Just do those things and there will be no more American Lives at risk. On the countrary, do those things and It would be an open invitiation for everybody to commit terrorist acts to get their views heard. Many more Americans - and other nationalites - would be at risk. It would be like living in the middle ages again, not knowing when your village was going to be raided and your children raped and murdered. Well, the same concept anyway. My words to American Government: Mind Your Own Business America is the only remaining world super power. It's thier job to poke around in other countries business. If they didn't, who would? Would you like Bin Laden, Sadam Hussain, and friends, to be running around un monitored?

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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com

realJSOP

Message from US: Bite our big collective hairy roots, Akbar. We now return you to your regularly scheduled chaos.

David Wulff

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Lost User

Hassan, Why is it that Osama bin laden so particular about US not supporting Israel? US has the right to support any nation that it deems fit. It is applicable to other nations also. Did US bomb any middle-east country (other than Iraq) before the first WTC bombings? Israel may have done so, but then Israel was also attacked. You are trying to justify a wrong act. US supports Israel. US liberated Kuwait from an illegal annexation by Iraq. So, Osama bin laden will destroy WTC. The middle-east issue between Palestine and Israel started from the day Israel was created. Why was Israel attacked in the first place after its creation? I do not mean to say that Israel was right and all others in that region were wrong. It is a conflict that was started by an attack on Israel, the day/week Israel was created. US is a mediator accepted by Israel and PLO as far as I understand. But, everytime some small milestone is reached, some terrorist org. like Hamas attacks Israel or Israel bombs Palestine. No side wants to yield there. Even if US withdraws completely from that region, nothing will change. All the Muslim nations incl. Syria/Egypt/Palestine wanted Israel not to exist. People have no trust in eachother in that region. Everyone has to accept a period of statusquo and no aggression for a few years, that will build the trust and implement a solution to the Westbank/Gaza problem during that time. Did Saddam Hussain do the 'correct' act invading Kuwait? Why did/is Saudi Arabia supporting US presence there during the Kuwait crisis? Or do you think that it would have been correct to leave Kuwaiti people to the mercy of Iraq, so that they can repeat a 'Kurd disaster' on them. What is the evidence that these terrorists will refrain from doing what they are doing now, if all the claims are accepted? United States DOES NOT have the best foreign policy in the world. US got the reply for trying the Castro assasination - Kennedy was killed (although the official version is different). But, US has a NO ASSASSINATION policy now. I do not think that the policy was changed due to pressure from any country. But, the US people did not deserve the WTC attack either. There can be no justification for this. Again, can any reasonable nation expect to support the acts that Osama bin laden has been doing? Is there any good that he has done to anyone? Also important:

A. Which type of government WOULD YOU LIVE in?
1 Taliban type (advocated by bin laden)
2 Saddam Hussain type (if you speak against him, yo

Paolo Messina

Nobody is good and nobody is bad. Many innocent persons die every day, and they don't even know who is Bush or Bin Laden. Don't they have the right to life and to freedom? Since I was born I heard they say "the third world", "the poor people"... I have 23 years and what's changed? As long as there will be people dying for hunger, there will be wars. As long as there will be people illiterate, there will be wars. Religion is not enough to make a war, but its extremely powerful because it talks about the "afterworld", it talks about another life, a better one, a desirable one for poor people.

Imagine there's no heaven it's easy if you try no hell below us above us only sky Imagine all the people living for today... Imagine there's no countries it isn't hard to do nothing to kill or die for and no religion too Imagine all the people living life in peace... You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one I hope some day you'll join us and the world will be as one. Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can no need for greed no hunger a brotherhood of men Imagine all the people sharing all the world... You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one I hope some day you'll join us and the world will live as one. (John Lennon)

John Simmon outlaw programmer

You guys never understood me. I never favoured Saddam Hussien or Osama Bin Ladin. Reasons are obvious. The point i was trying to make was that if the American Government minds it's own business, according to Osama Bin Ladin, there will be no furthur attacks on US of A. BTW, the attack on Isreal was because Isreal stole the land from Palestinan and the Isreali were backed by the USA. Hassan
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John Simmon outlaw programmer

Fuck You John. You answer without thinking. Stupid American. Hassan
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Tim Deveaux

Thomas Some of your previous posts made some good points. Just thought I'd point out that the creation of Israel was through unilateral military action, not an internationally sanctioned event - Israel, sadly, is a country born of conflict. (Mind you, things were a bit messed up in Pasletine in 1947, so you'll get a nice can of worms on this). US arms given to foriegn interests are accompanied by stipulations regarding use, which don't seem to apply to Israel - again, moot, I suppose, but Sharon's not helping much. The US seems to have re-instated an assasination polilcy. Real quick. I'll check in later to see how badly charred I am... gotta go see if I got that date right, eh...

Lost User

Hassan, Do you think that after WWII and Nazi regime in Germany, any country that has significant say in world affairs should be a silent observer? If the superpowers of the world had acted in 1936, as Winston Churchill suggested, the WWII may not have occurred and Hitler would have been ousted easily. It may have been a minor war. But, the super powers are always reluctant to START a full-fledged war. What I think: No democratic country should be having diplomatic relations or economic co-operation/business with autocratic/morarchy/military ruled countries. There is enough oil in the world outside middle-east for US and the rest of the democratic countries in the world to isolate these regimes, that have no honour for human rights and women's rights even in their constitution/law.

Background
Arab opposition to an Israeli state began after the Balfour Declaration of
1917, which supported the idea of a Jewish national homeland. In the 1920s
there were anti-Zionist riots in Palestine, which was then governed by the UK
under a League of Nations mandate. In 1936 an Arab revolt led to a British
royal commission that recommended partition. This was approved by the UN in
1947, but was rejected by the Arabs, and, though the British mandate over
Palestine did not end until May 1948, intermittent fighting broke out between
the official Jewish forces and various Arab factions, including the Jordan
Arab league, as early as March 1948. The main fighting was for control of the
Tel Aviv–Jerusalem road, which the Jewish forces managed to keep open at
great cost. The Jewish side also gained complete control in Haifa, Jaffa,
Safed, and Tiberias.

First Arab–Israeli War
(15 May 1948–24 March 1949) As soon as the independent state of Israel was
proclaimed on 14 May 1948, it was invaded by combined Arab forces and full-
scale war broke out, which ended finally with Israeli victory and a series of
armistices. Israel retained the western part of Jerusalem, Galilee, and the
Negev, and went on to annex territory until it controlled 75% of what had
been Palestine under British mandate. The Arab states subsequently imposed an
economic boycott on Israel and continued to make raids across the border,
which eventually prompted an Israeli attack on the Egyptian garrison in the
Gaza Strip in February 1955. The war also produced a flood of Arab refugees
from Israel and the war areas.

The arabs never wanted Israel there and even now does not want it there. W

Klaus Probst

I don't know about everybody else, but every time I see posts from this dude I'm reminded of that Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck cartoon about the "Ali Baba" treasure cave and the genie in the lamp? "Hassan want!" "Hassan want!" :) ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]

Paper Sun

If they mind their business properly you will not be able to use personal computer at all and write stupidity like this. I don't see any relation to MFC, COM and another technologies in your message. If you need to discuss about Ladin, switch to another forum, please... PaperSun

Matt Gullett

"Osama Bin Ladin is the only major terriost group in the world and the minor ones are all linked to him." You apparently have a very narrow view on this issue. Osama Bin Ladin is not a group, he is a person. His "group" is Al Quada. Not only this, but there are numerous other terriost groups in the world many of them quite sophisticated. The only reason he is considered to be the "major" one is because he diretly attacks the US. "Osama Bin Ladin said that he will never ever commit a terrorist attack again..." So he admits to being a terrorists, killing innocent people and getting involved in issues which are not his own. And you think by getting out of issues he does not want us in, he will keep his word. HA! The Taliban claims he has done nothing wrong, yet you say he has admitted to these crimes and he himself considers them crimes. (I should add here that if Osama is willing to die for his cause, why was he not on one of those planes?) "a) America withdraws his troops from the middle east." We were asked by Kuwait to come there and Saudai Arabia as a nation allowed us to use their bases. And the oil production in Kuwait (regardless of political views otherwise) is an interest of ours. Not only that, but we have an interest in keeping Sadam from controlling the middle east. "b) Stop supporting Isreal." This is as much our business as it is his. "c) Mind their own business" As other posters have stated, we have many interests. Now, Osama Bin Ladin is one of those interests. So, what are our interests according to Osama? "If Bush *really* wanted to stop Terrorism, he would do those things. America has nothing to lose by doing those things." Nothing to lose? Do you live on the moon? The US has a great deal to loose if it were to stop being involved in our national interests, both home and abroad. We learned long ago that isolationism is not good protection against war and conflict. The US tries to have friendly relations with most all nations. We do not seek war nor do we enjoy it, but we will fight when needed. "Why doesn't America do those things ? It's So Simple !!! Just do those things and there will be no more American Lives at risk. " America does these things for precisely the reason Osama does his things. Because they are our interests. Osama has a hatred for the US, our way of life and our political views and practices. He has decided to act through terrorism and killing innocent people. He has used his followers as pawns gladly sacraficing thei

Tim Smith

That has to be about the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard. So, if someone does something you don't like, you kill tons of people and then blame them because after all, if they didn't do what pissed you off, there wouldn't be a problem. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.

Tim Smith

Actually, as long as people want to control other people, there will be wars. Hunger, illiteracy, and religion are more tools than causes. Bad people always drift towards where the power is. If that is religion, government, etc, that is where they will go. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.

Matt Newman

My words to American Government: Mind Your Own Business What the f*** is this supposed to mean? Thousands of Americans die and thats not any of America's buisness? If you don't have any thing constructive to say just F*** Off

America: Love it or leave it

-Matt Newman :suss:

Eric Sanchez

Yea you are right. We should leave the Middle East. Yes they do have Petroleum but so do we. If there is an unanimous vote on the Middle East, we should do that. However, if this is the case, that section of the world will be the first one to drown, to become a lost civilization. For your information, United States is the biggest provider of humanitarian aid to Afghanistan. American merchandise should therefore be prohibited from there else we would not mind our own business. I'm sure without us they would have no technology, no computers, probably no electricity. We have other partenrs that would benefit us more, Japan, Canade, England, etc. They are stating that we are interfering there so they attacked us. They have no valid excuse and they can not admit they did it, or else. That is just a lame excuse, just like children blame their teachers for getting bad grades. If we abandon them, the terrorist network will be greatly expanded knowing that they have little to fear and then will strike again, then justfying it by saying that we did not help them. Therefore, I believe that the only to way to solve this is to eradicate all these fanatics and murderers and all the countries that sustain them. You also wrote that US commited terrorism when it attempted to overthrow Fidel Castro. I am cuban and I believe that it would have been the right thing to do. It wasn't terrorism because we did not kill innocent people. They were able to combat US. We were not able to combat terrorists because they are cowards. Sea Pirates were like ancient terrorist. Like dinosaurs, they are extinct. Terrorist will share their fate.:(

Erik Funkenbusch

The attacks on the WTC have made Osama Bin Laden, and the Al Queda our business. If we do nothing, we send a message that says "Killing innocment people will go unpunished, AND get your way". How soon before another happens? Also, Bin Laden lies. His saying that he would never committ another terrorist act would and should be viewed with extreme prejudice. He also said he wasn't responsible for the attacks. Even HE must know how wrong they were or he would have admitted to them. Finally, this isn't about Israel. It's about Bin Laden's hatred for America for occupying Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War (and for their continued presence). He is using Israel as an excuse to rile people up and create a mindless army willing to do his bidding. And one last thing. Getting rid of Bin Laden won't create another one. There aren't many spoiled rich kids with tons of family money to fund an army. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

Stan Shannon

Hassan, I could give a flying rats ass about Isreal. If that entire damned country ceased to exist tomorrow I would not care. But you and I both know that Isreal had nothing to do with the WTC. The Arab world could end the conflict over Isreal tomorrow by simply following the tenants of your own religion or the examples set by Martin Luther King, Ghandi, and others. With the camaras of the world trained on you, peaceful noncooporation with Isreal would give you guys 99% of what you *claim* to want. YOu guys know that. The world knows that. But the sad truth is that the leadership of the Islamic world *needs* Isreal. It needs Isreal to keep the Islamic masses in a constant state of agitation so that they will have a constant stream of recruits to throw against their *true* enemy - the U.S. The Islamic world hates and fears the US for what we are, not for what we do. The leadership of the Islamic world sees an Islamic future for all of mankind and you know it. The west's notions of justice and liberty are utterly alien to the bulk of the Islamic world, and most of its people want nothing to do with it. Certainly not the males in that society who tremble at the thought of living in a world in which they have to share power and justice with women. The US is the greatest hurdle towards the achievement of that goal. You are correct, the middle-east could produce 100 bin Ladins tomorrow, and could surround him with 10000 more recrutis. And the middle-east *will* do that. There can be no doubt it will. For as long as it can, it will. Most of the white, middle class school boys who hang out on this forum might believe that we can achieve a "victory" by killing a few "terrorists" and singing a lot of old John Lennon tunes. But you and I know better, don't we Hassan? "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.

philip andrew

>The point i was trying to make was that if the American Government >minds it's own business, according to Osama Bin Ladin, there will >be no furthur attacks on US of A. Do you belive the words of Osama Bin Ladin ? So your simple logic is, ok - get out, and Osama will leave everyone alone and we will all be happy little vegimites. Are you crazy or something? All countrys that the USA get involved in say "Mind your own business, don't get involved in our internal affairs". Such as China, I guess thats OK with you if people in China can't speak differing political views, so the USA should mind its own business, sure I guess it doesn't matter really to us - we arn't in China, so stuff em right? But we do business with them, so the following is important. Ask yourself, who do so many Chinese go to the USA to work and make lots of money if they hate the USA so much. The same goes for lots of foreigners that work there. The USA is not a evil empire, its simple goal in getting involved in the world is to provide an environment for companies to make a profit. That is all, and that generally requires peace, thats why selfish capitalism is so great a system, the role of government - supported by business is to provide a ever growing safe haven for business to exist. THAT IS ALL. The USA is not trying to be "good" or "bad", but of course politially its important to do it with a good image (which all countries do), and as such it can be seen as good. I wish people would see the truth in the matter rather than, over here - some country is good, or over there they are bad. That thinking is very BAD thinking, in Osamas mind he is very good, in the mind of the terrorists that crashes the planes they are very good and going to heaven. That is the crazy truth of it, they belive they are right, we belive we are right, the winner at the end is right, justly or not. Philip