Toe The Line?
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It appears that anyone who has any other opinion than 'nuke em' etc is getting slammed! Why is this so? I do not condone what happened in NY an Washington, but it has happened. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO DID IT nor WHY!!!!! We can only discuss and I do not think we can make policy. Is there anyone here who wants the wrong person or people to pay for this atrocity? I do not think so. There are many points to consider, for example: The Taliban asked for evidence when President Bush requested that they hand over Osama bin Laden. This request was refused! Normally, for extradition purposes, evidence is submitted by the requesting party. This time it is - HAND HIM OVER, WHAT DO YOU NEED EVIDENCE FOR? WE WANT HIM OR ELSE... Now, slam me as well! (May they rest in peace :rose: ) bart
Wether or not Osama was part of this latest attack he has definitley been part of other earlier attacks (US embassies in Africa for instance). There should be no doubt in anybodies mind that he has comitted acts. I personally do not care if he ordered the NYC attack. In my mind he should be handed over and a trial be held. If he is innocent then he has nothing to worry about, does he? But somehow I doubt he is innocent. Your point is valid but the actions of the US are understandable. The powers that be must provide results or loose any credibility they have with the American people. I will take a big bet that if you were in their shoes you would be demanding the same. Osama should be handed over now, or the US will stop playing nice and simply walk in and take him. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
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Wether or not Osama was part of this latest attack he has definitley been part of other earlier attacks (US embassies in Africa for instance). There should be no doubt in anybodies mind that he has comitted acts. I personally do not care if he ordered the NYC attack. In my mind he should be handed over and a trial be held. If he is innocent then he has nothing to worry about, does he? But somehow I doubt he is innocent. Your point is valid but the actions of the US are understandable. The powers that be must provide results or loose any credibility they have with the American people. I will take a big bet that if you were in their shoes you would be demanding the same. Osama should be handed over now, or the US will stop playing nice and simply walk in and take him. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
Is it toe the line or tow the line? cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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It appears that anyone who has any other opinion than 'nuke em' etc is getting slammed! Why is this so? I do not condone what happened in NY an Washington, but it has happened. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO DID IT nor WHY!!!!! We can only discuss and I do not think we can make policy. Is there anyone here who wants the wrong person or people to pay for this atrocity? I do not think so. There are many points to consider, for example: The Taliban asked for evidence when President Bush requested that they hand over Osama bin Laden. This request was refused! Normally, for extradition purposes, evidence is submitted by the requesting party. This time it is - HAND HIM OVER, WHAT DO YOU NEED EVIDENCE FOR? WE WANT HIM OR ELSE... Now, slam me as well! (May they rest in peace :rose: ) bart
"2 + 2 = 5", anybody who doesn't agree with me or says otherwise is just a small minded person who is unwilling to see the other side of an argument. .... Ummm, no. Sometimes people are just wrong. Sometimes they are just a troll. Many have posted intelligent commentaries on the current situation and have been well received. But when trolls come here TRYING to stir up trouble, people usually beat on them. As far as giving Taliban requesting proof, don't confuse due process and extradition with delay and obfuscation tactics. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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Is it toe the line or tow the line? cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Tow... But I guess a case could be made for "toe the line", as in standing along with the party line. Hmm, maybe I don't know. But I always thought it was Tow. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Hmmm. <tappity-tappity-google-tappity> http://members.aol.com/MorelandC/HaveOriginsData.htm: Toe the line ------------ Meaning: Follow the group, don't disagree, do what others are doing. Origin: Many mistakenly think the phrase is "tow the line", thus obscuring the meaning. Mystery solved. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Hmmm. <tappity-tappity-google-tappity> http://members.aol.com/MorelandC/HaveOriginsData.htm: Toe the line ------------ Meaning: Follow the group, don't disagree, do what others are doing. Origin: Many mistakenly think the phrase is "tow the line", thus obscuring the meaning. Mystery solved. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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It appears that anyone who has any other opinion than 'nuke em' etc is getting slammed! Why is this so? I do not condone what happened in NY an Washington, but it has happened. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO DID IT nor WHY!!!!! We can only discuss and I do not think we can make policy. Is there anyone here who wants the wrong person or people to pay for this atrocity? I do not think so. There are many points to consider, for example: The Taliban asked for evidence when President Bush requested that they hand over Osama bin Laden. This request was refused! Normally, for extradition purposes, evidence is submitted by the requesting party. This time it is - HAND HIM OVER, WHAT DO YOU NEED EVIDENCE FOR? WE WANT HIM OR ELSE... Now, slam me as well! (May they rest in peace :rose: ) bart
and your name is.........? Well we can all speculate, but come out, come out whoever you are. I say "pour a bucket of sun" over the whole damn country and have done with it". BTW: "bucket of sun" refers to nuking the bastards. Norm Almond Chief Technical Architect FS Walker Hughes Limited
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"2 + 2 = 5", anybody who doesn't agree with me or says otherwise is just a small minded person who is unwilling to see the other side of an argument. .... Ummm, no. Sometimes people are just wrong. Sometimes they are just a troll. Many have posted intelligent commentaries on the current situation and have been well received. But when trolls come here TRYING to stir up trouble, people usually beat on them. As far as giving Taliban requesting proof, don't confuse due process and extradition with delay and obfuscation tactics. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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Is it toe the line or tow the line? cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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The request should have been accompanied by proof. Requesting any country to hand over a criminal requires proof/evidence that will stand up to scritiny by that country! Bart
Come on, there is tons of proof that existed well before the WTC attack of his involvement in terrorism. Any reasonable country would honor the request just based on that information. Anybody who thinks the Taliban had ANY intention of handing him over is just fooling themselves. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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and your name is.........? Well we can all speculate, but come out, come out whoever you are. I say "pour a bucket of sun" over the whole damn country and have done with it". BTW: "bucket of sun" refers to nuking the bastards. Norm Almond Chief Technical Architect FS Walker Hughes Limited
Are you contributing meaningfully or just spouting garbage? I signed up as bart. That is my real name! Go on and 'Pour a bucket of sun' over the whole country. While you are doing that remember Oklahoma! Remember the initial reaction, subsequent findings and punishment! Did anyone nuke the criminal and his country? How old are u BTW. bart :rose
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Is it toe the line or tow the line? cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Are you contributing meaningfully or just spouting garbage? I signed up as bart. That is my real name! Go on and 'Pour a bucket of sun' over the whole country. While you are doing that remember Oklahoma! Remember the initial reaction, subsequent findings and punishment! Did anyone nuke the criminal and his country? How old are u BTW. bart :rose
Go on and 'Pour a bucket of sun' over the whole country. While you are doing that remember Oklahoma! Remember the initial reaction, subsequent findings and punishment! Did anyone nuke the criminal and his country? The difference is that we had no evidence pointing to Bin Laden or any other Arab terrorists in Oklahoma City. Here, we've already got a money trail, wire transfers, identities of the hijackers...we know who did it, and now we're planning a retaliation against them.
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Are you contributing meaningfully or just spouting garbage? I signed up as bart. That is my real name! Go on and 'Pour a bucket of sun' over the whole country. While you are doing that remember Oklahoma! Remember the initial reaction, subsequent findings and punishment! Did anyone nuke the criminal and his country? How old are u BTW. bart :rose
I am sure Dave Cunningham will remember me! I have actually spoken to him and Troy as well (over the phone). I exist, am real and I AM ALLOWED TO THINK RATIONALLY! bart ps I use Call Alert because I cannot seem to fix my old login as email address has changed (cue chris)
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Go on and 'Pour a bucket of sun' over the whole country. While you are doing that remember Oklahoma! Remember the initial reaction, subsequent findings and punishment! Did anyone nuke the criminal and his country? The difference is that we had no evidence pointing to Bin Laden or any other Arab terrorists in Oklahoma City. Here, we've already got a money trail, wire transfers, identities of the hijackers...we know who did it, and now we're planning a retaliation against them.
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I am sure Dave Cunningham will remember me! I have actually spoken to him and Troy as well (over the phone). I exist, am real and I AM ALLOWED TO THINK RATIONALLY! bart ps I use Call Alert because I cannot seem to fix my old login as email address has changed (cue chris)
I use Call Alert because I cannot seem to fix my old login as email address has changed (cue chris) If you remember you password you can fix the email yourself. If your email changed and you don't know you password then we send Christian around to have a word with you about changing email adresses *before* you lose access to your old box ;) Send me an email and I'll fix it. I'll need some proof of ID for the old box. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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and your name is.........? Well we can all speculate, but come out, come out whoever you are. I say "pour a bucket of sun" over the whole damn country and have done with it". BTW: "bucket of sun" refers to nuking the bastards. Norm Almond Chief Technical Architect FS Walker Hughes Limited
I say "pour a bucket of sun" over the whole damn country and have done with it". You think the whole country is involved in this, and not just the occupying rulers? cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Come on, there is tons of proof that existed well before the WTC attack of his involvement in terrorism. Any reasonable country would honor the request just based on that information. Anybody who thinks the Taliban had ANY intention of handing him over is just fooling themselves. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
I do not think that the request was based on 'tons of proof that existed well before the WTC attack of his involvement in terrorism'. President Bush did not say he was wanted for previous acts. I am not saying he is, or isn't guilty. Tell me that what i say is all wrong and then explain it to me. bart :rose:
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I say "pour a bucket of sun" over the whole damn country and have done with it". You think the whole country is involved in this, and not just the occupying rulers? cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)