Highest Paying Job On IT?
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Well, working for yourself isn't the path to wealth. :) Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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Hi, Today, whiled I was coding some telnet stuffs, all of a sudden, I was stuck how much my doing job pays. I know that any job's paying depends on many factors, but I wanna know which one is the blowing job on IT industry. I guess I should design my career path at these times. I'm 25-year old engineer and have 3-year of professional Windows programming experience. So I wanna ask you guys which career path would make me paid most? Money, especially for me, means almost everything.(All of my family depends on my earning.) Personally I want myself being a able-engineer, but in reality my situation want me more money :-( So, one simple question. Which career path will make me most money? What would you suggest?.. Regards, Ryan -p.s If this posting sucks, sorry..Pardon me.. I don't remember whose signature this is, that.."Money talks, but all mine ever said was good bye."
highest paying job = CEO of Microsoft lowest paying job = mine. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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highest paying job = CEO of Microsoft lowest paying job = mine. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
I know you've told us all before, but i'm too lazy to ask: "What is your job?" I figured out you work for Viewbuild, but what do you do exactly?
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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I know you've told us all before, but i'm too lazy to ask: "What is your job?" I figured out you work for Viewbuild, but what do you do exactly?
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
I believe Christian's official title at his office is "Senior Vice-President, Internet Chat Forums", with particular responsibility for Code Project. His job brief includes (but is not limited too) antagonising Muslims by constantly equating Islam with Violence, and pushing GDI+ (whether we want it or not). ------------------ Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem."
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I believe Christian's official title at his office is "Senior Vice-President, Internet Chat Forums", with particular responsibility for Code Project. His job brief includes (but is not limited too) antagonising Muslims by constantly equating Islam with Violence, and pushing GDI+ (whether we want it or not). ------------------ Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem."
I accept that this was tongue in cheek, but at what point did I equate Islam with violence ? By the way, you really should be using GDI+ to speed up your binary tree sorting.... I'd have thought it was STL I push a lot to people who don't want it. I don't even do any graphics programming at the moment, my PC is not even configured for GDI+. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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I know you've told us all before, but i'm too lazy to ask: "What is your job?" I figured out you work for Viewbuild, but what do you do exactly?
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
I serve drinks, cook cakes on a Friday, test the network bandwidth by my constant posts to internet forums, um..... As the only non 3D programmer I do a bit of everything. I wrote our 2D graphics software, and am currently writing a GUI library that links to our Python console. I've been learning COM in my spare time ( which has no use at work ), but I'm about to re-embark on learning OpenGL, but I'll do it by writing a game in an ActoveX control, so I can still play with COM. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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I accept that this was tongue in cheek, but at what point did I equate Islam with violence ? By the way, you really should be using GDI+ to speed up your binary tree sorting.... I'd have thought it was STL I push a lot to people who don't want it. I don't even do any graphics programming at the moment, my PC is not even configured for GDI+. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
Christian, If it was not your intention to link Islam and violence in at least 50 of the last 1000 or so of your posts, then I strongly suggest you need to watch your wording more closely. Perhaps you need to speak in a tongue understood by mere mortals, rather than supernatural beings ?? (cheap shot, couldn't resist!!) I am interesting in working on merging GDI+ and STL into an all-encompassing framework for cross-platform Javascript emulation. Shall we begin ... --------------------- Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem."
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Christian, If it was not your intention to link Islam and violence in at least 50 of the last 1000 or so of your posts, then I strongly suggest you need to watch your wording more closely. Perhaps you need to speak in a tongue understood by mere mortals, rather than supernatural beings ?? (cheap shot, couldn't resist!!) I am interesting in working on merging GDI+ and STL into an all-encompassing framework for cross-platform Javascript emulation. Shall we begin ... --------------------- Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem."
If it was not your intention to link Islam and violence in at least 50 of the last 1000 or so of your posts, then I strongly suggest you need to watch your wording more closely. Perhaps you need to speak in a tongue understood by mere mortals, rather than supernatural beings ?? (cheap shot, couldn't resist!!) I made some comments on the Quran article that may be viewed in that light. The fact is the Quran DOES encourage killing the infidel, although I'm not suggesting it's followers take that literal interpretation and viewpoint as a whole. Since Sept. 11 I have chosen my words with much more care, because ( as I have said ) I have concerns about the vilification of Islamic people overall as the result of the actions of a few extremists. However, I sometimes see red, especially when people who advocate the killing of Israelis accuse anyone who says something they do not like of being racist. I am not good at holding my tongue ( which is probably the real reason I am #1 poster ) and not good at being politically correct, especially when I believe people are applying a double standard or hiding behind cries of racism as a way to avoid their statements being openly examined or discussed. I would be happy to suggest that people like Hassan, the guys on the Quran article thread and this 'call' dude are the ones who are extremely intolerant. While I may not express myself well, I am certainly on record as saying that while it is my right to consider Islam wrong, it is also the equal right of others to follow it, and that people should be free to make their own choice in this regard without being judged for it in other aspects of their life. I have never seriously advocated killing anyone on any thread here or anywhere else. I can see Islamic people feeling under pressure as a result of recent events, but if they take it out on me, I'll respond. Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem." I just ripped this movie to mpeg - I love it. I have it running while I work at home on my other monitor. Have you seen the scenes that didn't make the movie ? Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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If it was not your intention to link Islam and violence in at least 50 of the last 1000 or so of your posts, then I strongly suggest you need to watch your wording more closely. Perhaps you need to speak in a tongue understood by mere mortals, rather than supernatural beings ?? (cheap shot, couldn't resist!!) I made some comments on the Quran article that may be viewed in that light. The fact is the Quran DOES encourage killing the infidel, although I'm not suggesting it's followers take that literal interpretation and viewpoint as a whole. Since Sept. 11 I have chosen my words with much more care, because ( as I have said ) I have concerns about the vilification of Islamic people overall as the result of the actions of a few extremists. However, I sometimes see red, especially when people who advocate the killing of Israelis accuse anyone who says something they do not like of being racist. I am not good at holding my tongue ( which is probably the real reason I am #1 poster ) and not good at being politically correct, especially when I believe people are applying a double standard or hiding behind cries of racism as a way to avoid their statements being openly examined or discussed. I would be happy to suggest that people like Hassan, the guys on the Quran article thread and this 'call' dude are the ones who are extremely intolerant. While I may not express myself well, I am certainly on record as saying that while it is my right to consider Islam wrong, it is also the equal right of others to follow it, and that people should be free to make their own choice in this regard without being judged for it in other aspects of their life. I have never seriously advocated killing anyone on any thread here or anywhere else. I can see Islamic people feeling under pressure as a result of recent events, but if they take it out on me, I'll respond. Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem." I just ripped this movie to mpeg - I love it. I have it running while I work at home on my other monitor. Have you seen the scenes that didn't make the movie ? Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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The Prophet Mohammed (sp???) also said to protect the Christians and Jews since we (Islam, Christians, Jews) all worship the same god. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
Apparently, although we do not. I'd suggest religion is not worth fighting over. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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If it was not your intention to link Islam and violence in at least 50 of the last 1000 or so of your posts, then I strongly suggest you need to watch your wording more closely. Perhaps you need to speak in a tongue understood by mere mortals, rather than supernatural beings ?? (cheap shot, couldn't resist!!) I made some comments on the Quran article that may be viewed in that light. The fact is the Quran DOES encourage killing the infidel, although I'm not suggesting it's followers take that literal interpretation and viewpoint as a whole. Since Sept. 11 I have chosen my words with much more care, because ( as I have said ) I have concerns about the vilification of Islamic people overall as the result of the actions of a few extremists. However, I sometimes see red, especially when people who advocate the killing of Israelis accuse anyone who says something they do not like of being racist. I am not good at holding my tongue ( which is probably the real reason I am #1 poster ) and not good at being politically correct, especially when I believe people are applying a double standard or hiding behind cries of racism as a way to avoid their statements being openly examined or discussed. I would be happy to suggest that people like Hassan, the guys on the Quran article thread and this 'call' dude are the ones who are extremely intolerant. While I may not express myself well, I am certainly on record as saying that while it is my right to consider Islam wrong, it is also the equal right of others to follow it, and that people should be free to make their own choice in this regard without being judged for it in other aspects of their life. I have never seriously advocated killing anyone on any thread here or anywhere else. I can see Islamic people feeling under pressure as a result of recent events, but if they take it out on me, I'll respond. Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem." I just ripped this movie to mpeg - I love it. I have it running while I work at home on my other monitor. Have you seen the scenes that didn't make the movie ? Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
>>I would be happy to suggest that people like Hassan, the guys on the Quran >> article thread and this 'call' dude are the ones who are extremely intolerant. No arguments from me! >> ... but if they take it out on me, I'll respond Fair enough - go for it! I like to watch... >> I just ripped this movie to mpeg - I love it ... Have you seen the scenes that didn't make the movie ? Watching the movie only highlights (again and again) the stupidity of taking religion too seriously - no offence, of course. And the missing scenes probably deserve to be missing (except for Otto and his boys - but that's probably not a good subject to bring up at this particular time). Now, if only the Flying Circus would give us their interpretation of the Quran... ------------ Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem."
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>>I would be happy to suggest that people like Hassan, the guys on the Quran >> article thread and this 'call' dude are the ones who are extremely intolerant. No arguments from me! >> ... but if they take it out on me, I'll respond Fair enough - go for it! I like to watch... >> I just ripped this movie to mpeg - I love it ... Have you seen the scenes that didn't make the movie ? Watching the movie only highlights (again and again) the stupidity of taking religion too seriously - no offence, of course. And the missing scenes probably deserve to be missing (except for Otto and his boys - but that's probably not a good subject to bring up at this particular time). Now, if only the Flying Circus would give us their interpretation of the Quran... ------------ Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem."
>> I just ripped this movie to mpeg - I love it ... Have you seen the scenes that didn't make the movie ? Watching the movie only highlights (again and again) the stupidity of taking religion too seriously - no offence, of course. And the missing scenes probably deserve to be missing (except for Otto and his boys - but that's probably not a good subject to bring up at this particular time). Actually I always think it highlights what happens when people misinterpret the Bible ( blessed are the cheesemakers, follow the gourd, etc. ). I thought the thing with Otto was that the suicide squad at the end was always puzzling to me - it makes no sense and is not funny. Now, if only the Flying Circus would give us their interpretation of the Quran... Life of Brian began as a joke when they were asked what they were doing next. They read the Bible, decided Jesus had some pretty good things to say and they weren't going to make fun of him, so they created Brian instead. I doubt they would be brave enough to take on people with as little sense of humour or irony as Islam. Remember when Cat Stephens was on TV earnestly saying he would kill Salman Rushdie if he saw him ? Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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Apparently, although we do not. I'd suggest religion is not worth fighting over. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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>> I just ripped this movie to mpeg - I love it ... Have you seen the scenes that didn't make the movie ? Watching the movie only highlights (again and again) the stupidity of taking religion too seriously - no offence, of course. And the missing scenes probably deserve to be missing (except for Otto and his boys - but that's probably not a good subject to bring up at this particular time). Actually I always think it highlights what happens when people misinterpret the Bible ( blessed are the cheesemakers, follow the gourd, etc. ). I thought the thing with Otto was that the suicide squad at the end was always puzzling to me - it makes no sense and is not funny. Now, if only the Flying Circus would give us their interpretation of the Quran... Life of Brian began as a joke when they were asked what they were doing next. They read the Bible, decided Jesus had some pretty good things to say and they weren't going to make fun of him, so they created Brian instead. I doubt they would be brave enough to take on people with as little sense of humour or irony as Islam. Remember when Cat Stephens was on TV earnestly saying he would kill Salman Rushdie if he saw him ? Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
>> Actually I always think it highlights what happens when people misinterpret the Bible We've been here before, but I'd say it's a clear example of how it's not possible to fail to misinterpret the Bible. It says what you want it to say. An example ? The Pentecostal church. For some reason the millions upon millions upon millions of Christians who have read the bible for almost 2,000 years failed to correctly pick on the entire 'tongues' bit, but then 100 years ago we suddenly realised how important the whole "baptism of the Spirit" was. So now the teachings of 2 millemia are to be treated as 'an error', and we are to change the face of christianity to embrace the 'correct' reading of the Bible! Either way, somebody's guilty of a pretty bad case of mis-interpretation!! Ah, if only god, in his infinite wisdom, could have been a 'little' clearer in his wording... >>They read the Bible, decided Jesus had some pretty good things to say and they weren't going to make fun of him.. Well that's one interpretation!! I prefer to think they were just smart enough to realise that the outrage surrounding a direct attack on the stupidity of the Bible would overwhelm them and the movie, so that they tried subtlety rather than full frontal assualt. Much more effective, in my opinion, and a lesson there for Mr Bush ?? >> I doubt they would be brave enough to take on people with as little sense of humour or irony as Islam. Come come now - "as little sense of humor..". After all, you are talking about the people who think that having 4 wifes is a good idea! Surely they must have a sense of humor (or a love of pain ??) ------------------ Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem."
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>> Actually I always think it highlights what happens when people misinterpret the Bible We've been here before, but I'd say it's a clear example of how it's not possible to fail to misinterpret the Bible. It says what you want it to say. An example ? The Pentecostal church. For some reason the millions upon millions upon millions of Christians who have read the bible for almost 2,000 years failed to correctly pick on the entire 'tongues' bit, but then 100 years ago we suddenly realised how important the whole "baptism of the Spirit" was. So now the teachings of 2 millemia are to be treated as 'an error', and we are to change the face of christianity to embrace the 'correct' reading of the Bible! Either way, somebody's guilty of a pretty bad case of mis-interpretation!! Ah, if only god, in his infinite wisdom, could have been a 'little' clearer in his wording... >>They read the Bible, decided Jesus had some pretty good things to say and they weren't going to make fun of him.. Well that's one interpretation!! I prefer to think they were just smart enough to realise that the outrage surrounding a direct attack on the stupidity of the Bible would overwhelm them and the movie, so that they tried subtlety rather than full frontal assualt. Much more effective, in my opinion, and a lesson there for Mr Bush ?? >> I doubt they would be brave enough to take on people with as little sense of humour or irony as Islam. Come come now - "as little sense of humor..". After all, you are talking about the people who think that having 4 wifes is a good idea! Surely they must have a sense of humor (or a love of pain ??) ------------------ Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem."
>> Actually I always think it highlights what happens when people misinterpret the Bible We've been here before, but I'd say it's a clear example of how it's not possible to fail to misinterpret the Bible. It says what you want it to say. An example ? The Pentecostal church. For some reason the millions upon millions upon millions of Christians who have read the bible for almost 2,000 years failed to correctly pick on the entire 'tongues' bit, but then 100 years ago we suddenly realised how important the whole "baptism of the Spirit" was. So now the teachings of 2 millemia are to be treated as 'an error', and we are to change the face of christianity to embrace the 'correct' reading of the Bible! Either way, somebody's guilty of a pretty bad case of mis-interpretation!! Ah, if only god, in his infinite wisdom, could have been a 'little' clearer in his wording... Actually the Holy Spirit has been preached through the ages, it's just become more prevelant in the time of the 'latter rain'. All of this was foretold in the Bible, so where is the surprise ? Actually most of the two millenia the Bible was hidden from the people and Christianity used as a power base to control the masses. The message of the Bible is not suitable for such things, no wonder they changed it. >>They read the Bible, decided Jesus had some pretty good things to say and they weren't going to make fun of him.. Well that's one interpretation!! I prefer to think they were just smart enough to realise that the outrage surrounding a direct attack on the stupidity of the Bible would overwhelm them and the movie, so that they tried subtlety rather than full frontal assualt. Much more effective, in my opinion, and a lesson there for Mr Bush ?? Actually I am quoting an interview I heard with the Python guys. They obviously are not Christians, but they respected what He had to say and decided to take the slant they did. Funny that so many 'christian' people boycotted the movie without ever even seeing it based on false assumptions. >> I doubt they would be brave enough to take on people with as little sense of humour or irony as Islam. Come come now - "as little sense of humor..". After all, you are talking about the people who think that having 4 wifes is a good idea! Surely they must have a sense of humor (or a love of pain ??) Well, you may have a point there.... Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierc
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>> Actually I always think it highlights what happens when people misinterpret the Bible We've been here before, but I'd say it's a clear example of how it's not possible to fail to misinterpret the Bible. It says what you want it to say. An example ? The Pentecostal church. For some reason the millions upon millions upon millions of Christians who have read the bible for almost 2,000 years failed to correctly pick on the entire 'tongues' bit, but then 100 years ago we suddenly realised how important the whole "baptism of the Spirit" was. So now the teachings of 2 millemia are to be treated as 'an error', and we are to change the face of christianity to embrace the 'correct' reading of the Bible! Either way, somebody's guilty of a pretty bad case of mis-interpretation!! Ah, if only god, in his infinite wisdom, could have been a 'little' clearer in his wording... Actually the Holy Spirit has been preached through the ages, it's just become more prevelant in the time of the 'latter rain'. All of this was foretold in the Bible, so where is the surprise ? Actually most of the two millenia the Bible was hidden from the people and Christianity used as a power base to control the masses. The message of the Bible is not suitable for such things, no wonder they changed it. >>They read the Bible, decided Jesus had some pretty good things to say and they weren't going to make fun of him.. Well that's one interpretation!! I prefer to think they were just smart enough to realise that the outrage surrounding a direct attack on the stupidity of the Bible would overwhelm them and the movie, so that they tried subtlety rather than full frontal assualt. Much more effective, in my opinion, and a lesson there for Mr Bush ?? Actually I am quoting an interview I heard with the Python guys. They obviously are not Christians, but they respected what He had to say and decided to take the slant they did. Funny that so many 'christian' people boycotted the movie without ever even seeing it based on false assumptions. >> I doubt they would be brave enough to take on people with as little sense of humour or irony as Islam. Come come now - "as little sense of humor..". After all, you are talking about the people who think that having 4 wifes is a good idea! Surely they must have a sense of humor (or a love of pain ??) Well, you may have a point there.... Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierc
>> Actually the Holy Spirit has been preached through the ages, it's just become >> more prevelant in the time of the 'latter rain'. If by 'more prevalent' you mean the 3.5million or so Pentecostal followers then you need to be careful, because there are 900 million of so Christians who disagree. Any defense you mount on the grounds of "the people never new the truth in the bad old days" (probably true in the sense that the Papcy has always been more a political position that a religions one) is also a little dated, since the general christian population has been able to read and interpret for themselves for at least the past 300 years - and yet the move to embrace the 'correct' bible teachings of the pentecostal church is hardly an overwhemling tidal wave of conversion and enlightenment. The Mormons believe that heaven lies just beyond the orbit of Pluto and ancient Egyptian tablets are a missing book of the bible that vaidates their beliefs. They've been very sucessful at selling their nutty ideas in the last 50 years or so. Does that make them more right than the Pentecostals ? Surely you must admit that either the Catholics, the Mormons or the Pentecostals (just to pick a few for discussion - apologies to the many other flavors of Christianity being sidelined in this discussion) are reading the Bible incorrectly, at least in certain key areas ? One of you is right, and the other two will have to eventually realise this and come to see that they have been either (a) mislead by their 'elders', would new the truth of the mis-interpretation but supressed it from followers, or (b) were genuinely unable to see that they were wrong. This leads to two obvious points : First, all 3 of you know you are right and the other two are wrong, and it's only a metter of time until your truth wins through! Good luck - let the better interpretation win (which still means 2 interpretations lose!) Second, why has god let 2000 years of followers stumble around in the dark trying to figure out exactly which bits are the important onee. Syrely a little 'plain speaking' right at the start would have resolved this ? Or could it be tht the bible has always been a work of men - created by men, interpreted by men, twisted and abused by men? >> All of this was foretold in the Bible, so where is the surprise ? Well, this is really the issue, isn't it! You read the Bible, interpret it as having a meaning, then find passages in the Bible that support your meaning, therefore concluding that your interprations mus
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That's my sig :-) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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The highest paying jobs in the industry have got to be senior executives at Microsoft. Just apply to be a CEO, CTO, etc. [http://jobs.microsoft.com/listall.asp?type=Executive&salary=$800,000+](JavaScript:alert('This was a joke, not a real URL!')) Which career path will make me most money? That is impossible to answer. Every career - regardless of the field (e.g. not necessarily computing related) - can make you lot of money if you are either lucky or hard working. The tricky thing is finding a balance between how much you want to earn, and what you want to do. It wouldn't matter if a mortian was the highest paying career on earth, there is no way I would ever do that job, even if I physically could. If you want more cash, you'll have to be prepared to do something that maybe you would prefer not to - were it not for the money. Being an experienced engineer (I presume you mean software engineer and not a construction engineer) you can branch out into pretty much any development-related field, with a minimum of training. As to which pays the most, you'd have to find that out youself. I could maybe earn 10K a year over here as a "senior project leader", whereas you may get 60k for the same job where you live. Money can't buy you happiness, but you can get pretty much anything else you want!
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
Hi, Thanks for your advice, but even knowing that earning depends on many factors, I wanna know the title that highest paid job near you guys. You can make you lot of money if you are either lucky or hard working Well...You're right.. Now I wanna make my fortune..:-) Regards, Ryan -p.s I guess 800,000+ was too little for MS CEO. :-)
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>> I just ripped this movie to mpeg - I love it ... Have you seen the scenes that didn't make the movie ? Watching the movie only highlights (again and again) the stupidity of taking religion too seriously - no offence, of course. And the missing scenes probably deserve to be missing (except for Otto and his boys - but that's probably not a good subject to bring up at this particular time). Actually I always think it highlights what happens when people misinterpret the Bible ( blessed are the cheesemakers, follow the gourd, etc. ). I thought the thing with Otto was that the suicide squad at the end was always puzzling to me - it makes no sense and is not funny. Now, if only the Flying Circus would give us their interpretation of the Quran... Life of Brian began as a joke when they were asked what they were doing next. They read the Bible, decided Jesus had some pretty good things to say and they weren't going to make fun of him, so they created Brian instead. I doubt they would be brave enough to take on people with as little sense of humour or irony as Islam. Remember when Cat Stephens was on TV earnestly saying he would kill Salman Rushdie if he saw him ? Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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>> Actually the Holy Spirit has been preached through the ages, it's just become >> more prevelant in the time of the 'latter rain'. If by 'more prevalent' you mean the 3.5million or so Pentecostal followers then you need to be careful, because there are 900 million of so Christians who disagree. Any defense you mount on the grounds of "the people never new the truth in the bad old days" (probably true in the sense that the Papcy has always been more a political position that a religions one) is also a little dated, since the general christian population has been able to read and interpret for themselves for at least the past 300 years - and yet the move to embrace the 'correct' bible teachings of the pentecostal church is hardly an overwhemling tidal wave of conversion and enlightenment. The Mormons believe that heaven lies just beyond the orbit of Pluto and ancient Egyptian tablets are a missing book of the bible that vaidates their beliefs. They've been very sucessful at selling their nutty ideas in the last 50 years or so. Does that make them more right than the Pentecostals ? Surely you must admit that either the Catholics, the Mormons or the Pentecostals (just to pick a few for discussion - apologies to the many other flavors of Christianity being sidelined in this discussion) are reading the Bible incorrectly, at least in certain key areas ? One of you is right, and the other two will have to eventually realise this and come to see that they have been either (a) mislead by their 'elders', would new the truth of the mis-interpretation but supressed it from followers, or (b) were genuinely unable to see that they were wrong. This leads to two obvious points : First, all 3 of you know you are right and the other two are wrong, and it's only a metter of time until your truth wins through! Good luck - let the better interpretation win (which still means 2 interpretations lose!) Second, why has god let 2000 years of followers stumble around in the dark trying to figure out exactly which bits are the important onee. Syrely a little 'plain speaking' right at the start would have resolved this ? Or could it be tht the bible has always been a work of men - created by men, interpreted by men, twisted and abused by men? >> All of this was foretold in the Bible, so where is the surprise ? Well, this is really the issue, isn't it! You read the Bible, interpret it as having a meaning, then find passages in the Bible that support your meaning, therefore concluding that your interprations mus
>> Actually the Holy Spirit has been preached through the ages, it's just become >> more prevelant in the time of the 'latter rain'. If by 'more prevalent' you mean the 3.5million or so Pentecostal followers then you need to be careful, because there are 900 million of so Christians who disagree. My intention was to refer to the fact that speaking in tongues was a thing not heard of and considered satanic by most 'mainstream' churches as little as 60 years ago. Nowadays it's more 'you can speak in tongues in the Catholic/ church, but keep it to yourself.' I have friends who became Christians and so left the Anglican church. Their priest came to see them and told them HE spoke in tongues but it was something private because it could create waves. I doubt 60 years ago an Anglican minister would admit such a thing. Any defense you mount on the grounds of "the people never new the truth in the bad old days" (probably true in the sense that the Papcy has always been more a political position that a religions one) is also a little dated, since the general christian population has been able to read and interpret for themselves for at least the past 300 years - and yet the move to embrace the 'correct' bible teachings of the pentecostal church is hardly an overwhemling tidal wave of conversion and enlightenment. And since the Bible was available it's been more a steady movement towards understanding, starting with salvation by grace through faith and moving towards an understanding of what we need to have faith in, and what the promises of the Bible are. Along the way people have stuck to the (partially correct ) teachings they grew up in, even as there are still Catholics. The Bible also says Christians will always be a minority, so I'm sorry if you misunderstood me to believe that there is a majority of Bible believing Christians out there, just that the message is open enough that most people are aware of it one way or the other, in the West at least. The Mormons believe that heaven lies just beyond the orbit of Pluto and ancient Egyptian tablets are a missing book of the bible that vaidates their beliefs. They've been very sucessful at selling their nutty ideas in the last 50 years or so. Does that make them more right than the Pentecostals ? See above - the message is more freely available and there are a lot more Christian's now than 100 years ago, but in the Bible, might makes wrong, only when Jesus returns will His message be accepted by a majori