Non judgemental Question: Am I guilty?
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I've been thinking about this over the past few days... It seems that, both in and out of my work enviroment, I have become increasingly judgemental about stupidity. I have an annoying habit of comparing the work of others (inside the office), and the actions of others (outside the office) to what I would have thought was an intelligent approach. I will be the first to admit that I am not perfect, and a varying number of people will tell you that one should not judge least one get judged themselves. I disagree. I feel surrounded by stupidity. The driver that parks their car in a retarded place causing a huge traffic jam and sits there, blissfully unaware... The policies I set in place at work to ensure that Source code is checked-in, checked out.... "so you edited it without checking it out and lost a days work?". Idiot. You should be fired. Or, how about running a data-import script that doesn't work against a customer database rather than a development one? "you're lucky I made a backup, fool". Idiot: "What would you like to drink?" Me: "Pint of Stella please" And the resultant drink is.... Half a diet coke with ice, no lemon. "What?" I read on news.bbc.co.uk that someone at the new directory enquires number didn't know where Scotland was.... and they have a job? My girlfriend calls me clever. no... I just use my head. So I ask the community... am I being too harsh at hating these people? Is my ego too big... should I get a job of significant power and end their bloodline... Perhaps I should post my article on making an ISAPI.DLL talk to an ATL COM Server that hosts the CLR and passes all info to managed classes. ho hum. When it comes to maths and me, the wheel's going but the hamster's dead. [Edit to change some spelling errors. Maybe I should blame myself?!]
I've found that a lot of people just don't know *how* to use their minds. Given the right encouragement, most people can actually think straight. OTOH it's also fun to wind up the really dim bulbs using my superior intellect :-) -- Ian Darling "The moral of the story is that with a contrived example, you can prove anything." - Joel Spolsky
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I've been thinking about this over the past few days... It seems that, both in and out of my work enviroment, I have become increasingly judgemental about stupidity. I have an annoying habit of comparing the work of others (inside the office), and the actions of others (outside the office) to what I would have thought was an intelligent approach. I will be the first to admit that I am not perfect, and a varying number of people will tell you that one should not judge least one get judged themselves. I disagree. I feel surrounded by stupidity. The driver that parks their car in a retarded place causing a huge traffic jam and sits there, blissfully unaware... The policies I set in place at work to ensure that Source code is checked-in, checked out.... "so you edited it without checking it out and lost a days work?". Idiot. You should be fired. Or, how about running a data-import script that doesn't work against a customer database rather than a development one? "you're lucky I made a backup, fool". Idiot: "What would you like to drink?" Me: "Pint of Stella please" And the resultant drink is.... Half a diet coke with ice, no lemon. "What?" I read on news.bbc.co.uk that someone at the new directory enquires number didn't know where Scotland was.... and they have a job? My girlfriend calls me clever. no... I just use my head. So I ask the community... am I being too harsh at hating these people? Is my ego too big... should I get a job of significant power and end their bloodline... Perhaps I should post my article on making an ISAPI.DLL talk to an ATL COM Server that hosts the CLR and passes all info to managed classes. ho hum. When it comes to maths and me, the wheel's going but the hamster's dead. [Edit to change some spelling errors. Maybe I should blame myself?!]
Ben Ashley wrote: Idiot: "What would you like to drink?" Me: "Pint of Stella please" And the resultant drink is.... Half a diet coke with ice, no lemon. Would that be Stella as in Stella Artois ? In that case the "idiot" was only trying to protect your tastebuds ;P
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Ben Ashley wrote: Idiot: "What would you like to drink?" Me: "Pint of Stella please" And the resultant drink is.... Half a diet coke with ice, no lemon. Would that be Stella as in Stella Artois ? In that case the "idiot" was only trying to protect your tastebuds ;P
... and THAT's the funniest thing I read this week!:laugh: (only Tuesday though ;)) When it comes to maths and me, the wheel's going but the hamster's dead.
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I've been thinking about this over the past few days... It seems that, both in and out of my work enviroment, I have become increasingly judgemental about stupidity. I have an annoying habit of comparing the work of others (inside the office), and the actions of others (outside the office) to what I would have thought was an intelligent approach. I will be the first to admit that I am not perfect, and a varying number of people will tell you that one should not judge least one get judged themselves. I disagree. I feel surrounded by stupidity. The driver that parks their car in a retarded place causing a huge traffic jam and sits there, blissfully unaware... The policies I set in place at work to ensure that Source code is checked-in, checked out.... "so you edited it without checking it out and lost a days work?". Idiot. You should be fired. Or, how about running a data-import script that doesn't work against a customer database rather than a development one? "you're lucky I made a backup, fool". Idiot: "What would you like to drink?" Me: "Pint of Stella please" And the resultant drink is.... Half a diet coke with ice, no lemon. "What?" I read on news.bbc.co.uk that someone at the new directory enquires number didn't know where Scotland was.... and they have a job? My girlfriend calls me clever. no... I just use my head. So I ask the community... am I being too harsh at hating these people? Is my ego too big... should I get a job of significant power and end their bloodline... Perhaps I should post my article on making an ISAPI.DLL talk to an ATL COM Server that hosts the CLR and passes all info to managed classes. ho hum. When it comes to maths and me, the wheel's going but the hamster's dead. [Edit to change some spelling errors. Maybe I should blame myself?!]
Thinking you're better or smarter than people will only stop you from being any better or smarter. Personally, I know I'm smart, but I also know there are plenty of people out there smarter than I am (whether I meet them or not is irrelevant). This helps keep me in check and make sure I continue learning and thinking. It's the king of the mountain concept (e.g.; the king may not stay king for too long if he gets complacent). Intelligence comes in many forms. If you don't see someone's intelligence at first glance then it may be because you're not looking hard enough instead of them being stupid. For instance, maybe you can code, but try and write (decent) lyrics to a song. It's not as easy as you'd think. Also, I know smart people who lock up in a situation they are not comfortable in. But, get them in a situation they know well or feel better about and watch their brain cells fly. And remember, we all have our dumb moments no matter how smart we are. [edit] And, just to note, I know that realistically we all have our moments of calling someone stupid, but as for me I just try to keep what I mentioned in mind when the end of the day comes around. [/edit] Jeremy Falcon
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Now as much as it pains me to admit it, being a believer in the common man and all, there are some dim bulbs on this Earth of ours. However it seems a lot of people are not stupid, they just don't use their heads. They are lazy. Instead of applying themselves, they would rather make the mistake then raise their hand and get the local office wunder kind to come over and do it for them. The only reason I am the lead developer here is because I don't bloody well give up. I am no genius but I can put two and two together and as you so well put it; I just use my kop. If XYZ does not work then I will try ABC or DGH. Most people though seem to hit a problem, quail in fear and have a smoke break hoping the problem will have gone away when they get back to their desks. I will try anything and everything, something will work. Naturally you want to try and do it in a smart way and not just a shotgun way, but that is not always possible. So in my round about way what I am trying to say is; A lot of those people we think are stupid, aren't. They are either lazy, won't apply themselves or lack the basic problem solving thinking which is so critical to development. It is hard to learn the later though. What bugs me are people who have potential and talent, and waste it, who don't apply themselves. That drives me up the wall. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Miszou wrote: I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was. Crikey! ain't life grand?
*Elaine nods in agreement* The tigress is here :-D
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Now as much as it pains me to admit it, being a believer in the common man and all, there are some dim bulbs on this Earth of ours. However it seems a lot of people are not stupid, they just don't use their heads. They are lazy. Instead of applying themselves, they would rather make the mistake then raise their hand and get the local office wunder kind to come over and do it for them. The only reason I am the lead developer here is because I don't bloody well give up. I am no genius but I can put two and two together and as you so well put it; I just use my kop. If XYZ does not work then I will try ABC or DGH. Most people though seem to hit a problem, quail in fear and have a smoke break hoping the problem will have gone away when they get back to their desks. I will try anything and everything, something will work. Naturally you want to try and do it in a smart way and not just a shotgun way, but that is not always possible. So in my round about way what I am trying to say is; A lot of those people we think are stupid, aren't. They are either lazy, won't apply themselves or lack the basic problem solving thinking which is so critical to development. It is hard to learn the later though. What bugs me are people who have potential and talent, and waste it, who don't apply themselves. That drives me up the wall. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Miszou wrote: I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was. Crikey! ain't life grand?
*Elaine then considers how Drawinism can be applied to these people* The tigress is here :-D
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I've been thinking about this over the past few days... It seems that, both in and out of my work enviroment, I have become increasingly judgemental about stupidity. I have an annoying habit of comparing the work of others (inside the office), and the actions of others (outside the office) to what I would have thought was an intelligent approach. I will be the first to admit that I am not perfect, and a varying number of people will tell you that one should not judge least one get judged themselves. I disagree. I feel surrounded by stupidity. The driver that parks their car in a retarded place causing a huge traffic jam and sits there, blissfully unaware... The policies I set in place at work to ensure that Source code is checked-in, checked out.... "so you edited it without checking it out and lost a days work?". Idiot. You should be fired. Or, how about running a data-import script that doesn't work against a customer database rather than a development one? "you're lucky I made a backup, fool". Idiot: "What would you like to drink?" Me: "Pint of Stella please" And the resultant drink is.... Half a diet coke with ice, no lemon. "What?" I read on news.bbc.co.uk that someone at the new directory enquires number didn't know where Scotland was.... and they have a job? My girlfriend calls me clever. no... I just use my head. So I ask the community... am I being too harsh at hating these people? Is my ego too big... should I get a job of significant power and end their bloodline... Perhaps I should post my article on making an ISAPI.DLL talk to an ATL COM Server that hosts the CLR and passes all info to managed classes. ho hum. When it comes to maths and me, the wheel's going but the hamster's dead. [Edit to change some spelling errors. Maybe I should blame myself?!]
IMHO, it's a little presumptuous. I can say it, I make the same mistake :-D Basically, there's nothing absolute, and the criterias you use to judge may be valid or not from one to another. For example, "the driver that parks their car in a retarded place causing a huge traffic jam" may not care about creating a traffic jam, and would consider as stupid to park 2 km further. "Vanity, vanity, all is vanity" :)
In every work of genius we see our own rejected thought. - François Rabelais
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I've been thinking about this over the past few days... It seems that, both in and out of my work enviroment, I have become increasingly judgemental about stupidity. I have an annoying habit of comparing the work of others (inside the office), and the actions of others (outside the office) to what I would have thought was an intelligent approach. I will be the first to admit that I am not perfect, and a varying number of people will tell you that one should not judge least one get judged themselves. I disagree. I feel surrounded by stupidity. The driver that parks their car in a retarded place causing a huge traffic jam and sits there, blissfully unaware... The policies I set in place at work to ensure that Source code is checked-in, checked out.... "so you edited it without checking it out and lost a days work?". Idiot. You should be fired. Or, how about running a data-import script that doesn't work against a customer database rather than a development one? "you're lucky I made a backup, fool". Idiot: "What would you like to drink?" Me: "Pint of Stella please" And the resultant drink is.... Half a diet coke with ice, no lemon. "What?" I read on news.bbc.co.uk that someone at the new directory enquires number didn't know where Scotland was.... and they have a job? My girlfriend calls me clever. no... I just use my head. So I ask the community... am I being too harsh at hating these people? Is my ego too big... should I get a job of significant power and end their bloodline... Perhaps I should post my article on making an ISAPI.DLL talk to an ATL COM Server that hosts the CLR and passes all info to managed classes. ho hum. When it comes to maths and me, the wheel's going but the hamster's dead. [Edit to change some spelling errors. Maybe I should blame myself?!]
I recognise the sentiments - I'm afraid you'll just have to get used to stupidity. You're surrounded by it and it ain't going away... Ben Ashley wrote: am I being too harsh at hating these people? Don't waste your hatred on morons - save it for something worth hating...You'll also find, if you consciously think "Don't hate them just because they're stupid" that you can deal with stupidity easier. Stuart Dootson 'Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p'
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I've been thinking about this over the past few days... It seems that, both in and out of my work enviroment, I have become increasingly judgemental about stupidity. I have an annoying habit of comparing the work of others (inside the office), and the actions of others (outside the office) to what I would have thought was an intelligent approach. I will be the first to admit that I am not perfect, and a varying number of people will tell you that one should not judge least one get judged themselves. I disagree. I feel surrounded by stupidity. The driver that parks their car in a retarded place causing a huge traffic jam and sits there, blissfully unaware... The policies I set in place at work to ensure that Source code is checked-in, checked out.... "so you edited it without checking it out and lost a days work?". Idiot. You should be fired. Or, how about running a data-import script that doesn't work against a customer database rather than a development one? "you're lucky I made a backup, fool". Idiot: "What would you like to drink?" Me: "Pint of Stella please" And the resultant drink is.... Half a diet coke with ice, no lemon. "What?" I read on news.bbc.co.uk that someone at the new directory enquires number didn't know where Scotland was.... and they have a job? My girlfriend calls me clever. no... I just use my head. So I ask the community... am I being too harsh at hating these people? Is my ego too big... should I get a job of significant power and end their bloodline... Perhaps I should post my article on making an ISAPI.DLL talk to an ATL COM Server that hosts the CLR and passes all info to managed classes. ho hum. When it comes to maths and me, the wheel's going but the hamster's dead. [Edit to change some spelling errors. Maybe I should blame myself?!]
Think for a second about what you are saying (paraphrase) - "Everyone around me is dumb except me". What's wrong with this picture? In my life I have known a few people who have said almost the same thing you are saying now. If you are like them then the following applies to you. At the risk of sounding mean, I will say this - most likely you are a very self-centered person. Negative connotation aside, you are evaluating other people's behavior in relation to what YOU would do, and how other people's actions affect YOU. Everyone thinks their way of doing things is right even if it is not. Your degree of ability to see outside of your perspective may be your problem. Undoubtedly in some cases you are dealing with stupid people, and in other cases you simply deem people stupid because of your limited perspective of what is really happening. Sure, people screw up, like ignoring source-code procedures etc... but calling the cab driver stupid is going a little far and showing the self-centeredness of your thinking. Do you really know why he parked there? If not, how can you pass judgment and assume it is because he is stupid. If he had the opportunity to tell you why, you may change your mind. If he has a valid reason, who is the foolish one now? I can think of countless times in my life where I was doing something and someone assumed I was doing it wrong until I explained why I was doing it that way. Has this ever happened to you? I bet it has. You are spending much time on the other end of this equation however. Furthermore, since things only tend to affect us or cause notice when they are wrong, stupid, foolish etc... it gives you a skewed view of the overall picture. You need to step outside of your head and realize other people think you are dumb too. In fact, many people probably think you are clueless because you complain about other people. You need to step outside of your head and realize other people think you are dumb too. I am dumb too :) Everyone repeat after me ...
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Think for a second about what you are saying (paraphrase) - "Everyone around me is dumb except me". What's wrong with this picture? In my life I have known a few people who have said almost the same thing you are saying now. If you are like them then the following applies to you. At the risk of sounding mean, I will say this - most likely you are a very self-centered person. Negative connotation aside, you are evaluating other people's behavior in relation to what YOU would do, and how other people's actions affect YOU. Everyone thinks their way of doing things is right even if it is not. Your degree of ability to see outside of your perspective may be your problem. Undoubtedly in some cases you are dealing with stupid people, and in other cases you simply deem people stupid because of your limited perspective of what is really happening. Sure, people screw up, like ignoring source-code procedures etc... but calling the cab driver stupid is going a little far and showing the self-centeredness of your thinking. Do you really know why he parked there? If not, how can you pass judgment and assume it is because he is stupid. If he had the opportunity to tell you why, you may change your mind. If he has a valid reason, who is the foolish one now? I can think of countless times in my life where I was doing something and someone assumed I was doing it wrong until I explained why I was doing it that way. Has this ever happened to you? I bet it has. You are spending much time on the other end of this equation however. Furthermore, since things only tend to affect us or cause notice when they are wrong, stupid, foolish etc... it gives you a skewed view of the overall picture. You need to step outside of your head and realize other people think you are dumb too. In fact, many people probably think you are clueless because you complain about other people. You need to step outside of your head and realize other people think you are dumb too. I am dumb too :) Everyone repeat after me ...
A very good reply. Whether it matters or not (I suspect not), the car that was parked in the retarded place was just a woman waiting. Right in the middle of a main thoroughfare, sitting there, engine off, waiting... She might have parked slightly further up the road, or better still, in the carpark 50m from where she was. I also agree that perspective plays an important factor. But you'd be foolish to call yourself dumb. The safeplay thought that "we're all dumb" is nothing more than a way to make the dumb people feel better about themselves. I've covered the fact that we make mistakes in a previous post... it's all to do with learning. My observations on stupid people to not derive from them making mistakes. It derives from their inability to think intelligently. Sure, people screw up. I can live with that, and I don't have to moan one bit about it. Consistent screwing up should be held in the same realms as consistent genius... e.g. "you got it, or you haven't got it get the hell out of the auditorium you limp excuse for a human". There are several factors that you can always apply to a smart guy: 1) Observation - smart people notice things 2) Experience - On making observations, smart people know what to expect 3) Result - Combining 1 and 2, an informed approach is easy. 4) Intelligence - Smart people can take 1,2,3 and make something happen. There are many common myths in our society, including Survival and Security... neither exist yet we all live religiously by them... When it comes to maths and me, the wheel's going but the hamster's dead.
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Now as much as it pains me to admit it, being a believer in the common man and all, there are some dim bulbs on this Earth of ours. However it seems a lot of people are not stupid, they just don't use their heads. They are lazy. Instead of applying themselves, they would rather make the mistake then raise their hand and get the local office wunder kind to come over and do it for them. The only reason I am the lead developer here is because I don't bloody well give up. I am no genius but I can put two and two together and as you so well put it; I just use my kop. If XYZ does not work then I will try ABC or DGH. Most people though seem to hit a problem, quail in fear and have a smoke break hoping the problem will have gone away when they get back to their desks. I will try anything and everything, something will work. Naturally you want to try and do it in a smart way and not just a shotgun way, but that is not always possible. So in my round about way what I am trying to say is; A lot of those people we think are stupid, aren't. They are either lazy, won't apply themselves or lack the basic problem solving thinking which is so critical to development. It is hard to learn the later though. What bugs me are people who have potential and talent, and waste it, who don't apply themselves. That drives me up the wall. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Miszou wrote: I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Ben Ashley wrote: So I ask the community... am I being too harsh at hating these people? Is my ego too big... Yes. Not everyone is blessed with the same abilities, in more ways than intelligence. It's far better to be kind to those who can't cope as well as you can. I'm not saying it's not irritating - it can be! Here's a typical example from my life which I'm always tempted to get impatient about: I go to the supermarket. In the UK the idea of packing customers bags for them is a new one which supermarkets are advertising in an attempt to draw more of us in. Tesco's have a policy where the person at the till will ask if you need help packing your bags. Now as the items run down a conveyor belt at a constant speed the answer "if I can't cope" seems reasonable to me. In other words, don't bother unless you see I'm in trouble. However, I've yet to meet someone at the tills who can cope with this answer. They only understand "yes" or "no". If I say "yes" they waste loads of time packing for me. If I say "no" and don't pack fast enough they will not stop the belt to help. The point is, if they were intelligent enough to deal with these things possibly they wouldn't be working at a till in Tesco's. Of course, there are perfectly intelligent people doing those jobs as well, for a multitude of reasons. But if you run across someone who can't cope with intelligence and they are in a simple job, rather smile, be kind, and feel grateful that you are able to appreciate the intricacies of life better than they are. :)
Look at the world about you and trust to your own convictions. - Ansel Adams
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Paul Watson wrote: What bugs me are people who have potential and talent, and waste it, who don't apply themselves. That drives me up the wall. Why?
In every work of genius we see our own rejected thought. - François Rabelais
To waste potential and talent... argh, it is so.. irresponsible! They were given these wonderful gifts which not many have... and then they throw it away. Now sure, it is their lives. But I want to see them do well and it pains me when they don't. Recently let a developer go. At the begining I had great hopes for him, really turn him into a team leader and all that. He could have, but he didn't. He did not apply himself, gave him every opportunity to, but he would not respond. I don't have much talent or potential, but I work hard. So I get angry when people who do have don't use it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Miszou wrote: I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Ha! :-) Know that one. I think that Query Analyzer needs to have a spong test of some kind so that when you install it, each unauthenticated user accessing it has to undergo some kind of test that defines which options are available... 100% pass-rate - All options available, including "Nuke Server" 75% pass-rate - Pro options available, but not anything that involves databse links or DTI packages. 50% pass-rate - Pro options unavailable. Each SQL statement halted by "Are you really sure?" annoying alert box. 25% pass-rate - Meagre pleb access to databases. Can write SELECT statements, but only under the strict supervision of a Microsoft Clippit-esque assistant called DataShag. > 25% pass-rate - Redirects to oracle website. :-) When it comes to maths and me, the wheel's going but the hamster's dead.
It's way too easy to do this in SQL, and no easy way to say to Query Analyzer 'yup, just delete all the rows I just selected'. You can do it in Enterprise Manager though, although you can only delete the rows selected first time round, rather than deleting all rows which now match the criteria. My big complaint about Enterprise Manager in the query definition stakes is that it insists on interpreting my
WHEREclause by eliminating all the parentheses and then applying the operator precedences. I wrote the damn parentheses to stop it doing that! Specifically, I needed a view where the criteria were(field1 = 'A' AND field2 = 'B') OR (field1 = 'C' AND field2 = 'D'), which can't be rewritten usingIN. The damn thing decided I wantedfield1 = 'A' AND (field2 = 'B' OR field1 = 'C') AND field2 = 'D'. If I'd wanted that, I'd have typed that. :mad: WritingWHERE field1 + field2 IN ( 'AB', 'CD' )is not helpful, because SQL Server can't use an index (unless you've created a computed column onfield1+field2, but that has difficulties in itself - see SET Options That Affect Results[^]). As a result, I have to write and update the view in Query Analyzer. The guy who did it is an experienced developer, so your scale wouldn't help at all. There's a difference between not knowing how to do something and doing something without thinking properly. The first is a matter of education; the second a case of self-discipline. -
Ben Ashley wrote: So I ask the community... am I being too harsh at hating these people? Is my ego too big... Yes. Not everyone is blessed with the same abilities, in more ways than intelligence. It's far better to be kind to those who can't cope as well as you can. I'm not saying it's not irritating - it can be! Here's a typical example from my life which I'm always tempted to get impatient about: I go to the supermarket. In the UK the idea of packing customers bags for them is a new one which supermarkets are advertising in an attempt to draw more of us in. Tesco's have a policy where the person at the till will ask if you need help packing your bags. Now as the items run down a conveyor belt at a constant speed the answer "if I can't cope" seems reasonable to me. In other words, don't bother unless you see I'm in trouble. However, I've yet to meet someone at the tills who can cope with this answer. They only understand "yes" or "no". If I say "yes" they waste loads of time packing for me. If I say "no" and don't pack fast enough they will not stop the belt to help. The point is, if they were intelligent enough to deal with these things possibly they wouldn't be working at a till in Tesco's. Of course, there are perfectly intelligent people doing those jobs as well, for a multitude of reasons. But if you run across someone who can't cope with intelligence and they are in a simple job, rather smile, be kind, and feel grateful that you are able to appreciate the intricacies of life better than they are. :)
Look at the world about you and trust to your own convictions. - Ansel Adams
Meg's World - Blog Photography - The product of my passionMegan Forbes wrote: In the UK the idea of packing customers bags for them is a new one which supermarkets are advertising in an attempt to draw more of us in. I think that's just Sainsbury's - I used to work at Safeway as a student (over 10 years ago) and we had to pack bags way back then. ASDA :-D is very good at being helpful. Tesco X| has to be the worse; They either ask and ignore your answer, or don't bother asking while they continue their conversation with the next cashier about when their shift ends - If you don't like working there get another job! :doh: --Colin Mackay--
"In the confrontation between the stream and the rock, the stream always wins - not through strength but perseverance." (H. Jackson Brown)
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Like yourself, I am a lead developer and can sympathise with you when you say that others just give up and it's up to you bust the roadblock and make something happen. My situation at the moment might be considered a nightmare by some and run-of-the-mill by others. We have an extraordinary amount of workload on at the moment. More than can be done in a day, even with overtime (you don't always want to do overtime). Some developers have said "I should quit" or "why do I have to put up with this crap?". My answer? A quote from a football coach, surprisingly... (paraphrased slightly)... "It's difficult enough rowing a sinking boat to shore without some guy getting up and putting his life jacket on". Some of those developers, are those stupid people I have been ranting about. If they applied their brain, perhaps there wouldn't be so much work to do. Conversely, should they be employed at all? I once did an analysis of workload, which worked out that, given a developer producing crap code, if you got rid of him, would more work be created for the rest of the dev team? my findings were interesting... On the surface, it seems like there is more work to do, but the team would spend less time fixing bad code, that the end situation was less work... When it comes to maths and me, the wheel's going but the hamster's dead.
Motivating people to have a passion for something is probably the hardest task I know of. While in college i was the head tutor for all athletes for 2 years in Intro to CompSci (it was a required class for everyone). Overall the people I tutored, while not the brightest (example: Q: "What's a function?" Me: "WHAT? This is the last week before finals...you learned that the first week of class!"), but they did want to learn. There were a few, tho, who didn't want to be there. I tried to make them interested, by being interested myself, but just proceeded to make a fool of myself. I never did figure out a great way to make people want to succeed in that class, but I can say for certain that I helped every one of them do better. All that to say, good luck with motivating people; if you can do that, you are an incredably well-rounded computing professional. About having a judgemental attitude, i think it comes down to just that; the attitude. When you see people do patently stupid things, do you see them as sub-human? Or do you just see them as a stupid human? As long as you still know they are another person, it's fine to observe another person's weaknesses. D Daniel Larsen, Professional Casanova Blood, Sweat, Toil and Tears
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To waste potential and talent... argh, it is so.. irresponsible! They were given these wonderful gifts which not many have... and then they throw it away. Now sure, it is their lives. But I want to see them do well and it pains me when they don't. Recently let a developer go. At the begining I had great hopes for him, really turn him into a team leader and all that. He could have, but he didn't. He did not apply himself, gave him every opportunity to, but he would not respond. I don't have much talent or potential, but I work hard. So I get angry when people who do have don't use it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Miszou wrote: I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was. Crikey! ain't life grand?
I had the same feelings before. Now I consider that anybody has the right to follow the path he/she wants. Even if it seems not the good one, it can lead to completly different locations, which are in fact better than the previously chosen one.
In every work of genius we see our own rejected thought. - François Rabelais
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I had the same feelings before. Now I consider that anybody has the right to follow the path he/she wants. Even if it seems not the good one, it can lead to completly different locations, which are in fact better than the previously chosen one.
In every work of genius we see our own rejected thought. - François Rabelais
I know Karl, their lives. But it is still hard to see people throwing away their potential. You say "has the right to follow the path he/she wants. Even if it seems not the good one" and that I totally agree with. After all who am I to judge what is right and wrong for them? My quibble is not with them. My quibble is with people who don't do anything, who don't follow anything they want, that just waste it. When they have loads of talent, it just makes it worse. Apathy, I hate it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Miszou wrote: I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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I know Karl, their lives. But it is still hard to see people throwing away their potential. You say "has the right to follow the path he/she wants. Even if it seems not the good one" and that I totally agree with. After all who am I to judge what is right and wrong for them? My quibble is not with them. My quibble is with people who don't do anything, who don't follow anything they want, that just waste it. When they have loads of talent, it just makes it worse. Apathy, I hate it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Miszou wrote: I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was. Crikey! ain't life grand?
You still have the enthusiasm of the Youth, may you keep it for a while. Don't also forget that the Road to Hell is paved With good intentions. An example: my ex-girlfirend was like you said , full of capacities but unwilling/unable to realize them. I pushed her again and again, encouraging her to follow her path and realize her ambitions. She did it. And when her ambitions began to be antynomic with our couple life, she left me (of course, it's not the only reason, but part of it). Was I right or wrong? (I still believe I was right)
In every work of genius we see our own rejected thought. - François Rabelais
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I know Karl, their lives. But it is still hard to see people throwing away their potential. You say "has the right to follow the path he/she wants. Even if it seems not the good one" and that I totally agree with. After all who am I to judge what is right and wrong for them? My quibble is not with them. My quibble is with people who don't do anything, who don't follow anything they want, that just waste it. When they have loads of talent, it just makes it worse. Apathy, I hate it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Miszou wrote: I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was. Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Apathy, I hate it. Apathy.. I can't be bothered to have an opinion about it. :-D ;P The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people]