sub-humans at it again

Mike Gaskey

Terry O`Nolley wrote: Why in the world are people against Israel building a fence to try and stop the murderous Palestinians from killing their civilians? Think about it. Mike

KaRl

After the last announcements about the settlements and the construction of the Wall which will annex new lands to Israel, it's not surprizing to have such reaction from the extremists. Of course, if this new bombing can be explained, it can't be excused. It's such a tragedy when Israelian or Palestinian children are killed, by bombs from helicopters or suicidal fanatics. Israel will retaliate in a few days, new suicidal attacks will occur to avenge from the retalation, Israel will retaliate, new suicidal attacks will occur, Israel will retaliate...

New, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder?

John Carson

Terry O`Nolley wrote: Every time Israel makes an effort to allow Palestinian statehood, Hamas and Al Aqsa begin blowing up civilians. I must have missed all of those Israeli efforts to allow Palestinian statehood. I don't doubt that there are plenty of hate-filled fanatics on the Palestinian side. I also don't doubt that current Israeli policies are having no success in reducing their number. Terry O`Nolley wrote: Why in the world are people against Israel building a fence to try and stop the murderous Palestinians from killing their civilians? You mean people like George Bush? I guess he is just soft on terrorism. http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1013115,00.html[^] John Carson

Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: Israel will retaliate in a few days And what else would you suggest, Israel to open her arms, bare her throat and say, "here, do what you will"? Once again, I'll contend: 1) Palestinians do not want a nation, they want the death of Israel, 2) Palestinians could have their own nation simply by declaring it - the EU and the UN would trip all over themselves trying to fill Palestinian pockets with Euros. And both side would be under world pressure to negotiate. Mike

Mike Gaskey

John Carson wrote: I must have missed all of those Israeli efforts to allow Palestinian statehood. Allow? I'm pretty sure we didn't ask Englands permission. These people to weak to actually declare what they want? John Carson wrote: You mean people like George Bush? I guess he is just soft on terrorism. One of the problems I have with Bush is we're not sending troops in to squash Hamas and brethern. So, I guess we agree on this point. Mike

KaRl

Perhaps could Israel to catch and trial the organizers, instead of dropping a bomb from a F16 on a building? Collateral damages, I love this expression. Mike Gaskey wrote: Palestinians do not want a nation, they want the death of Israel Some probably want, as some Jews want to deport Palestinians. Mike Gaskey wrote: Palestinians could have their own nation simply by declaring it A nation without land, occupied and settled? Mike Gaskey wrote: the EU and the UN would trip all over themselves trying to fill Palestinian pockets with Euros Ok, let's try that: stop any financial help to Palestinians and Israelians.

New, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder?

Terry ONolley

John Carson wrote: I must have missed all of those Israeli efforts to allow Palestinian statehood I don't doubt that. You were probably too busy debugging your idle loop to watch CNN. John Carson wrote: You mean people like George Bush? I guess he is just soft on terrorism Bush is "against" it because if he is outwardly "for" it he would lose the support of the throwback arab regimes he needs as allies of convenience for the short term. Once we wack Syria, Iran, Libya and any other nation that harbors medieval religious terrorists you can bet that we will allow israle to better protect their civilians from murdering Palestinians.

Terry ONolley

Mike Gaskey wrote: One of the problems I have with Bush is we're not sending troops in to squash Hamas and brethern Keep your eye on the news - we have operatives in Lebanon who are working to find a solid Lebanese "govt in internal exile" that we can recognize. Once we recognize this new govt. we will answer their plea for help in expelling the Syrian occupiers and the Hezbollah troops. If we kill enough Hezbollah troops we will find a smoking gun to Iran. Luckily we still haven't rotated our main combat troops out of iraq. So Tehran is just a few days drive away! PAX AMERICANA!!!!!!!!

Terry ONolley

KaЯl wrote: A nation without land, occupied and settled? The Arabs took more land from the Plaestinians than Israel ever did. The other Arab states can't stand the palestinians and are using them as an excuse to murder Israeli women and children. Look, its cool - you side with those that slaughter children on purpose. WHatever. I disagree. I recognize Israel as a state. Palestine has territory that Israel has begun withdrawing from several times and every time Israel begins withdrawing, the Palestinians begin murdering Israeli civilians. All the Palestinians need to do is recognize Israels right to exists, denounce terrorism and like Mike said, the world will recognize the Palestinian state and send in UN buffer troops and begin sending Palestine aid. THe reason this isn't happening is because Arafat and his butt buddies in Hamas and Hezbollah are well funded by states like Syria and Iran who do not want to see peace in the region because they use the conflict as a way to turn world opinion against the west for supporting Israel.

Mike Gaskey

You're missing the point entirely. But as long as there are Palestinian homocide bombers in reality, it doesn't matter a whit that Israelis want to deport anyone - but, Israeli leaders are obligated to defend their people and they have my sympathy. Again, even with fractured non-contiguous land if the Palestinians declared themselves a nation they would be in the driver's seat. They're too focused on their real goal to go after what they claim to want. This is far too obvious. Mike

Mike Gaskey

Terry O`Nolley wrote: Keep your eye on the news - we have operatives in Lebanon I hope so. Mike

KaRl

Terry O`Nolley wrote: you side with those that slaughter children on purpose Utter BS. I don't side with any of them, neither palestinian no israeli. neither on the side of the killers of 900 israeli, nor on the side of the killers of 3000 palestinian.

New, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder?

KaRl

Mike Gaskey wrote: Israeli leaders are obligated to defend their people and they have my sympathy. Defend their people, yes, help the settlers, no.

New, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder?

Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: help the settlers, no. Rumor has it that the settlers are people. This is conquered land, not occupied, but conquered. If what I propose were done, this would be a part of the negotiations. Mike

John Carson

Mike Gaskey wrote: John Carson wrote: Declaring a nation won't get rid of the Israelis. No, they're not going anywhere. After being hounded by the rest of humanity for 2,000 years they intent to both survive and succeed. I meant get rid of them from the West Bank and Gaza strip, not get rid of them from Israel. Incidentally, it is worth noting that the hounding of Jews by Arabs/Muslims is largely a 20th century phenomenon. Historically, most of the persecution of Jews has been by "Christian" nations. They were a particular target of the Spanish Inquisition, for example, having been more or less left alone when Spain was under Muslim rule. The Arab-Israeli conflict was a 20th century creation of the British (see below). Mike Gaskey wrote: That isn't the point I attempted to make and apparently not clear enough. If the Palestinians had the cojones to declare a nation, 95% of the UN member nations would recognize them as a nation. Then they would, as I said earlier, be drowned in aid and opportunity. This is just nonsensical. The West Bank and Gaza Strip are run as police states by the Israelis. They already depend heavily on foreign aid. How any nation under foreign occupation can be considered to be "drowing in opportunity" is beyond me. Mike Gaskey wrote: Again, the only thing I see holding them back is the fact they would then be forced to succeed as a nation and couldn't whine that, :the Israelis won't let us have our own country". Both would have to negotiate and neither could turn down UN/EU/US/Russian monitors o guarantee some degree of real peace. The real fact is the Palestinians DO NOT WANT A NATION, they want the death of Israeli. You seem to know nothing of the relevant history of Palestine. Let me summarise. In 1920, the population in Palestine (i.e., the area that is now Israel plus the West Bank and Gaza Strip) was roughly 90% Arab and 10% Jewish. Jews had been a small minority in Palestine since being dispersed by the Romans after a failed revolt in the 2nd century AD. The British became administrators of Palestine in the aftermath of WWI and promoted large scale Jewish immigration into Palestine with the intention of creating a Jewish homeland. This was done without consulting the existing residents and in spite of their strong opposition. The Arab majority believed that the British had previously promised support for the establishment of an independent self-governing nation in Palestine i

KaRl

Mike Gaskey wrote: This is conquered land, not occupied, but conquered Oh, that's part of the Great Israel, then. You're right, let's promote the use of force and territorial annexions. May the stronger win. Vive la Guerre!

New, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder?

Mike Gaskey

KaЯl wrote: You're right, let's promote the use of force and territorial annexions. Nah. Let's hug'em to death. Mike

KaRl

It that part of free expression to call to murder and promote genocide?

New, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder?

Stan Shannon

Reading the responses to your post it is absolutely incredible how many westerners just cannot bring themselves to blame the Islamic world for the violence going on in the middle east. It seems to all be about moral equivalency: "Everyone's to blame, so no one's to blame" Personally, I don't care if Israel is destroyed. They never should have been there in the first place, and I don't blame the Palestinians for being angry about the situation. But all of that is beside the point. The point is that Islam is a culture of voilence, hatred and intolerance, and becomeing increasingly more so. The reason has nothing at all to do with anything we have ever done to them. That is simply the way their culture is, always has been, and always will be. We in the west have got to get it through our heads that when it comes to Islam we have two choices - submit to it or destroy it.

Terry ONolley

KaЯl wrote: and promote genocide? I take it you are talking about the Palestinians pledge to drive all jews into the sea?