Just ordered my new board...
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Olli wrote: I'm working with computers for 18 years now, and I'm still surprised how fast 'standards' are changing... Reminds me of a quote I read in Reader's Digest a while back: "The wonderful thing about standards is, there's so many to choose from"
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ATA, UATA, UDMA, IDE = the same.... you got a standard harddisk that fits on most motherboards. SATA = new, you will need a special controller for this (it's 166 MB/sec). Most new motherboards have a controller on-board. Well, and for the memory.... different types, different speeds, and most of all different stabilities. Don't buy something that's too new ! I prefer AOpen motherboards, but Asus is fine too :) with the hyperthreading you got a fast computer. I use it too. 30% speed increase :) Greetings.... :)
I prefer MSI motherboard. Good for overclocking. ;) Sonork 100.41263:Anthony_Yio
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...and I can say, the only conclusion I have: I am stupid! One thing was really confusing me: The DDR-RAM thing. Can anybody tell me why each and every manufacturer must name the stuff a different way?? PC266, PC2100, PC333, PC2700, PC400, PC3200... :confused: CLS2, CLS2.5, CLS3 :confused: :confused: ATA, UATA, SATA, UDMA, IDE.... :confused:, I just wanted to use my harddisks as usual... I always thought I knew what was goin on there, but I'm at least ... confused. Now I'm feeling better (but still a bit confused) BTW.: I bought an ASUS P4P800 deluxe, Pentium IV 2600/800 HT, 2x512GB DDR400 RAM, GeForce FX5200 At least I'm curious if it works...
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
:beer: + :java: = NULL :=> X|The drive stuff has been explained. However, ATA133 is not a true spec, but one that has been created by Maxtor. Some hardware supports it, some do not. You're NOT going to see any sort of major speed increase vs ATA100. Pay attention to the IDE cables, and don't get the too long one/crappy ones. Memory: PC133 & PC266 are the same thing - this is "stock" SDRAM. PC266 is usually seen on some VIA-chipset motherboards where they bs around with the numbers and claim that accessing two sticks of ram at "once" is the same as PC266 (it's not and it can't). PC333, PC400, these do not exist. You MIGHT be confusing these with RAMBUS stuff, which uses similar numbering. Rambus is serial ram, and is supposed to offer higherbandwidth, but at a huge cost - the numbers don't hold up for it, and there is legal issues with it, too. Or with DDRnnn, which can be called the same things sometime. PC2100 and etc (PCnn00) - this is all DDR ram, and is the current standard. Basically, the higher the number here the true higher the memory buss clock speed, unlike PC133, which the memory speed is the same as the rest of the system. For this, just buy ram that is the same speed (or higher) from whoever you trust. CLSx[.y] is the refresh speed of the ram. Ignore this. BIOS will automatically pick the correct value, and unless you're into overclocking and bragging how your CLS2 is faster than my CLS2.5 and believing that you're measuring a real speed increase (you're not), skip it. As for the video card, you wasted your money. You would have been much better served to purchase a top-end GForce4 for less money, or an ATI offering at the same cost.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Visual Face Lift: Skinning for apps Listen! Audio Server: Be the music "Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the Way." - Chuang-Tzu "Zen in the Martial Arts"
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Azel Low wrote: Drooling over your P4 2.6HT Why?? :confused:
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
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The drive stuff has been explained. However, ATA133 is not a true spec, but one that has been created by Maxtor. Some hardware supports it, some do not. You're NOT going to see any sort of major speed increase vs ATA100. Pay attention to the IDE cables, and don't get the too long one/crappy ones. Memory: PC133 & PC266 are the same thing - this is "stock" SDRAM. PC266 is usually seen on some VIA-chipset motherboards where they bs around with the numbers and claim that accessing two sticks of ram at "once" is the same as PC266 (it's not and it can't). PC333, PC400, these do not exist. You MIGHT be confusing these with RAMBUS stuff, which uses similar numbering. Rambus is serial ram, and is supposed to offer higherbandwidth, but at a huge cost - the numbers don't hold up for it, and there is legal issues with it, too. Or with DDRnnn, which can be called the same things sometime. PC2100 and etc (PCnn00) - this is all DDR ram, and is the current standard. Basically, the higher the number here the true higher the memory buss clock speed, unlike PC133, which the memory speed is the same as the rest of the system. For this, just buy ram that is the same speed (or higher) from whoever you trust. CLSx[.y] is the refresh speed of the ram. Ignore this. BIOS will automatically pick the correct value, and unless you're into overclocking and bragging how your CLS2 is faster than my CLS2.5 and believing that you're measuring a real speed increase (you're not), skip it. As for the video card, you wasted your money. You would have been much better served to purchase a top-end GForce4 for less money, or an ATI offering at the same cost.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Visual Face Lift: Skinning for apps Listen! Audio Server: Be the music "Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the Way." - Chuang-Tzu "Zen in the Martial Arts"
Thanks Todd, very good explanation... Todd C. Wilson wrote: As for the video card, you wasted your money. It's the one most of my video-edditing-pals use, and they are very content with it....
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
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...and I can say, the only conclusion I have: I am stupid! One thing was really confusing me: The DDR-RAM thing. Can anybody tell me why each and every manufacturer must name the stuff a different way?? PC266, PC2100, PC333, PC2700, PC400, PC3200... :confused: CLS2, CLS2.5, CLS3 :confused: :confused: ATA, UATA, SATA, UDMA, IDE.... :confused:, I just wanted to use my harddisks as usual... I always thought I knew what was goin on there, but I'm at least ... confused. Now I'm feeling better (but still a bit confused) BTW.: I bought an ASUS P4P800 deluxe, Pentium IV 2600/800 HT, 2x512GB DDR400 RAM, GeForce FX5200 At least I'm curious if it works...
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
:beer: + :java: = NULL :=> X|I'll try and explain the DDR thing, but for starters your gonna want to run DDR400 for your 800Mhz FSB DDR266 PC2100 - This is the slower end of DDR DDDR333 PC2700 - This is mid grade for Athlons, I am running this overclocked to DDR400 specs (not as stable though) DDR400 PC3200 - This is that standard for the new Barton core Athlons and its the stuff the P4 uses now DDR433 PC3500 (I think) - This, and anything higher, for the time being is just ram designed for overclocking Matt Newman
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I'll try and explain the DDR thing, but for starters your gonna want to run DDR400 for your 800Mhz FSB DDR266 PC2100 - This is the slower end of DDR DDDR333 PC2700 - This is mid grade for Athlons, I am running this overclocked to DDR400 specs (not as stable though) DDR400 PC3200 - This is that standard for the new Barton core Athlons and its the stuff the P4 uses now DDR433 PC3500 (I think) - This, and anything higher, for the time being is just ram designed for overclocking Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "If you're Noah and you're facing the Flood, don't call a lawyer, start building an Ark." - David CunninghamMatt Newman wrote: but for starters your gonna want to run DDR400 for your 800Mhz FSB OK, this is a least what the configurator (at the online-shop) did....
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
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Matt Newman wrote: but for starters your gonna want to run DDR400 for your 800Mhz FSB OK, this is a least what the configurator (at the online-shop) did....
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
:beer: + :java: = NULL :=> X|btw, I am thinking of upgrading from my P4PE-X to the one you got, and was wondering if you could check to see if it has a Digital SPDIF connection on the back panel (its a RCA connector and your advanced sound properties will have options for digital). The reason is if I seel mine I want to know if I have to keep the bracket for mine, or if there is another different digital audio bracket that Asus uses. (I have both that I know of) Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "If you're Noah and you're facing the Flood, don't call a lawyer, start building an Ark." - David Cunningham -
I prefer MSI motherboard. Good for overclocking. ;) Sonork 100.41263:Anthony_Yio
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because when i wanted to get mine, I made an order for the P4 2.6 HyperThreading but it was only recently lanuched and they quoted me an outragous price. Well i ended up with the P4 2.53 w/o HT instead. :laugh::laugh:
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I wanted to but... i initially waited for Ati 9500 pro 128mb.. then for my casing, then my Motherboard and then my P2 - 266mhz (gosh!) decided that it can't hold on much longer. No choice but to make the change. Surprise that my P2 - 266mhz could last me that long (around 6 years i think) ;P
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btw, I am thinking of upgrading from my P4PE-X to the one you got, and was wondering if you could check to see if it has a Digital SPDIF connection on the back panel (its a RCA connector and your advanced sound properties will have options for digital). The reason is if I seel mine I want to know if I have to keep the bracket for mine, or if there is another different digital audio bracket that Asus uses. (I have both that I know of) Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "If you're Noah and you're facing the Flood, don't call a lawyer, start building an Ark." - David CunninghamHmm, it say there is a connector ( Asus P4P800 deluxe[^]) , but they say nothing about a bracket. But when you wait until I'll have mine (think it should be there in 1-2 days), I can tell you.
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
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They say chaintech is also nice... especially with Kingston X memory (Overclockable and CAS delay of 2 nS). Greetings.... :)
I like Kingston memory for it's lifetime warranty. Memories nowsadays are ought to burn. I just replaced mine few months back. Sonork 100.41263:Anthony_Yio
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Hmm, it say there is a connector ( Asus P4P800 deluxe[^]) , but they say nothing about a bracket. But when you wait until I'll have mine (think it should be there in 1-2 days), I can tell you.
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
:beer: + :java: = NULL :=> X|Cool, now I just have to sell my old one so I have money to upgrade :-D Matt Newman
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Hmm, it say there is a connector ( Asus P4P800 deluxe[^]) , but they say nothing about a bracket. But when you wait until I'll have mine (think it should be there in 1-2 days), I can tell you.
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
:beer: + :java: = NULL :=> X|Olli wrote: But when you wait until I'll have mine (think it should be there in 1-2 days I'm probably gonna order my new board in the next week or two, I was just wondering if you had gotten yours yet, and if there was a RCA/SPDIF port on it. Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "If you're Noah and you're facing the Flood, don't call a lawyer, start building an Ark." - David Cunningham -
Olli wrote: But when you wait until I'll have mine (think it should be there in 1-2 days I'm probably gonna order my new board in the next week or two, I was just wondering if you had gotten yours yet, and if there was a RCA/SPDIF port on it. Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "If you're Noah and you're facing the Flood, don't call a lawyer, start building an Ark." - David CunninghamHi Matt, was a little bit in stress the last few days, sorry that I forgot. As far as I could see, there is an spdif port on it, but there were no cables with it (for the SPDIF). But: 2 serial ATA cables, 4 (!!) HD and CDRom cables, FD cable, ... at least that saved me 20$ or more. I think ASUS boards are really good ones!
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
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Hi Matt, was a little bit in stress the last few days, sorry that I forgot. As far as I could see, there is an spdif port on it, but there were no cables with it (for the SPDIF). But: 2 serial ATA cables, 4 (!!) HD and CDRom cables, FD cable, ... at least that saved me 20$ or more. I think ASUS boards are really good ones!
Olli "Ooooooh, they have the internet on computers now!"
Homer Simpson
:beer: + :java: = NULL :=> X|Olli wrote: was a little bit in stress the last few days, sorry that I forgot. Thats no problem, i am no stranger to stress :) Olli wrote: As far as I could see, there is an spdif port on it, but there were no cables with it (for the SPDIF). The reason I was concerned is the vendor I was buying it from must have mixed up some parts and the product images were inconsistent. But its good to have confirmation from someone who has handled the board. As for the cables, I think the assumption is that if you have digital speakers it came with a cable Olli wrote: But: 2 serial ATA cables, 4 (!!) HD and CDRom cables, FD cable, ... at least that saved me 20$ or more. I know, that is awesome, and from what I have seen there not just the plain grey cables, they actually look kind of nice! Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "If you're Noah and you're facing the Flood, don't call a lawyer, start building an Ark." - David Cunningham