Philosophical rant - Some fun on the road?
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for ABS, I agree (great invention) but you can still stop faster without (if you are a very very good driver) . ESP and the like, I am not so sure: ESP will solve a lot of the problems you are not even aware of (if ESP was not there you would start to feel it - hopefully gradually ). The problem is that when the electronics can no longer solve it, there is no hint (except for the stupid flickering ESP warning light) for the driver anymore: The situation has become incorrectable. Instead of helping a bad driver with electronics, should the driver not learn how to control his car for himself? I am totally against cruise control. Driving is dangerous and requires your full attention, always! Check the insurance company statistics: more accidents with cruise controlled cars. I am not against electronics all together: Airconditioning on the other hand is great - it makes the environment more pleasant and raises the attention level. Cars without airconditiong have more chance of getting into an accident on a hot day. -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
then why does formula 1, Indy and who knows what other racing series use abs? initially this was true, a driver that knew how to brake could stop faster. not the case anymore! Josef Wainz Software Developer
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for ABS, I agree (great invention) but you can still stop faster without (if you are a very very good driver) . ESP and the like, I am not so sure: ESP will solve a lot of the problems you are not even aware of (if ESP was not there you would start to feel it - hopefully gradually ). The problem is that when the electronics can no longer solve it, there is no hint (except for the stupid flickering ESP warning light) for the driver anymore: The situation has become incorrectable. Instead of helping a bad driver with electronics, should the driver not learn how to control his car for himself? I am totally against cruise control. Driving is dangerous and requires your full attention, always! Check the insurance company statistics: more accidents with cruise controlled cars. I am not against electronics all together: Airconditioning on the other hand is great - it makes the environment more pleasant and raises the attention level. Cars without airconditiong have more chance of getting into an accident on a hot day. -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
Gert Boddaert wrote: ESP and the like, 'scuse my ignorance, but what is ESP? 'til next we type... HAVE FUN!! -- Jesse
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Hi, Some time ago, I decided to take some advanced driving lessons. Mainly because I felt I could use the practice and also because I bought a more powerful car, hence more responsibility (this could be an advertisement slogan :) ) With all the electronic safety applications getting more and more mainstream, you don't feel like driving a car anymore. You drive 70 mph and have the feeling it is not really fast. The suspension filters all the bumps in the road. The sound isolation is so good you hardly can hear anything. Cars are getting heavier and ‘safer’. Only when you bump into something (or someone) this fact and the enormous amount of potential energy becomes very real. Surprise. I am now hooked on the speed sensation thing (my car) . So in fact, the advanced driving course accomplished the exact opposite of my original intention. An additional side effect (from what I have seen on the driving course and experienced on the race track) is that I am now - more than ever - convinced that 90% of car owners just can't drive. :~ Some snow or just ordinary rain… and the result is clear. :( This has nothing to do with knowing the traffic rules or driving carefully, but with anticipation and car control. Should electronic driving aids be banned? I think so. :-O I refer to the danger of the so-called 'cruise control'. :mad: Also, a driver's license should not be 'given' to anyone. Am I too extreme? Probably just seen to many idiots on the road this evening… :rose: -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
I remember reading a study that said that people (maybe guys only) who had undertaken an advanced driver training course were actually more likely to be in an accident afterwards - mainly because of over confidence. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Hi, Some time ago, I decided to take some advanced driving lessons. Mainly because I felt I could use the practice and also because I bought a more powerful car, hence more responsibility (this could be an advertisement slogan :) ) With all the electronic safety applications getting more and more mainstream, you don't feel like driving a car anymore. You drive 70 mph and have the feeling it is not really fast. The suspension filters all the bumps in the road. The sound isolation is so good you hardly can hear anything. Cars are getting heavier and ‘safer’. Only when you bump into something (or someone) this fact and the enormous amount of potential energy becomes very real. Surprise. I am now hooked on the speed sensation thing (my car) . So in fact, the advanced driving course accomplished the exact opposite of my original intention. An additional side effect (from what I have seen on the driving course and experienced on the race track) is that I am now - more than ever - convinced that 90% of car owners just can't drive. :~ Some snow or just ordinary rain… and the result is clear. :( This has nothing to do with knowing the traffic rules or driving carefully, but with anticipation and car control. Should electronic driving aids be banned? I think so. :-O I refer to the danger of the so-called 'cruise control'. :mad: Also, a driver's license should not be 'given' to anyone. Am I too extreme? Probably just seen to many idiots on the road this evening… :rose: -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
Gert Boddaert wrote: So in fact, the advanced driving course accomplished the exact opposite of my original intention. But perhaps it had the exact result that the trainers intended? Gert Boddaert wrote: I am now - more than ever - convinced that 90% of car owners just can't drive. That low? I would have pegged it at 98% this morning and today. Holy CRAP, how the HELL did they FLIP the car in a 35mph zone? Gert Boddaert wrote: Should electronic driving aids be banned? Yes, because all they do is keep moron drivers from killing themselves, not others or causing accidents. Either take people TOTALLY out of the picture, or else make it so dangerous to drive natural selection cleans it out for us. As for cruse control, this is very handy when driving long distances, but is totally worthless near a city.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Skinning Toolkit MP3 Server for Windows And Lots More "The source, it was leaked : therefore, it must be rewritten."
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Everybody knows that the bird is the word.
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Hi, Some time ago, I decided to take some advanced driving lessons. Mainly because I felt I could use the practice and also because I bought a more powerful car, hence more responsibility (this could be an advertisement slogan :) ) With all the electronic safety applications getting more and more mainstream, you don't feel like driving a car anymore. You drive 70 mph and have the feeling it is not really fast. The suspension filters all the bumps in the road. The sound isolation is so good you hardly can hear anything. Cars are getting heavier and ‘safer’. Only when you bump into something (or someone) this fact and the enormous amount of potential energy becomes very real. Surprise. I am now hooked on the speed sensation thing (my car) . So in fact, the advanced driving course accomplished the exact opposite of my original intention. An additional side effect (from what I have seen on the driving course and experienced on the race track) is that I am now - more than ever - convinced that 90% of car owners just can't drive. :~ Some snow or just ordinary rain… and the result is clear. :( This has nothing to do with knowing the traffic rules or driving carefully, but with anticipation and car control. Should electronic driving aids be banned? I think so. :-O I refer to the danger of the so-called 'cruise control'. :mad: Also, a driver's license should not be 'given' to anyone. Am I too extreme? Probably just seen to many idiots on the road this evening… :rose: -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
Gert Boddaert wrote: Also, a driver's license should not be 'given' to anyone I took my first test in England when I was seventeen and I remember going back to college in the afternoon, boasting about how I had passed first time. A lot of people take 2 or 3 attempts to pass the English driving test, so passing first time is viewed as quite an achievement among your peers. On the other hand, When I took my California driving test, I had a heated argument with my driving examiner, involving whether I had to slow down when approaching an intersection, even though I was on the "major" road. She told me to slow down at least 3 times and I still drove through the interections too fast. I also failed to look properly when performing my 3-point turn. Amazingly, I passed! If that test had occurred in England, the examiner would probably have halted the test early and driven me back to the test center in disgrace. A friend recently failed his UK driving test again - because he didn't click on enough road hazards during a driving simulation. In California, you don't have to do anything remotely difficult: No reversing round a corner, no parallel parking - and look at the ridiculously oversized vehicles that people drive here... As you say, they'll give a driving license to just about anyone - including illegal immigrants it seems. But don't even get me started about that... :mad:
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Gert Boddaert wrote: I refer to the danger of the so-called 'cruise control'. I don't know about you, but keeping my foot on the pedal for all 13 hours of my ride between where I live now and where my family lives is a giant pain. Cruise control is perfectly fine as long as you still pay attention. Again, drivers fault, not the car. If a wheel falls off, then blame the car :) <---signature---> Your kid gets into Duke. You pay the tuition. That tuition goes into my checking account. My money in my checking account goes into beer, porn, and other such fun. Thank you :)
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Hi, Some time ago, I decided to take some advanced driving lessons. Mainly because I felt I could use the practice and also because I bought a more powerful car, hence more responsibility (this could be an advertisement slogan :) ) With all the electronic safety applications getting more and more mainstream, you don't feel like driving a car anymore. You drive 70 mph and have the feeling it is not really fast. The suspension filters all the bumps in the road. The sound isolation is so good you hardly can hear anything. Cars are getting heavier and ‘safer’. Only when you bump into something (or someone) this fact and the enormous amount of potential energy becomes very real. Surprise. I am now hooked on the speed sensation thing (my car) . So in fact, the advanced driving course accomplished the exact opposite of my original intention. An additional side effect (from what I have seen on the driving course and experienced on the race track) is that I am now - more than ever - convinced that 90% of car owners just can't drive. :~ Some snow or just ordinary rain… and the result is clear. :( This has nothing to do with knowing the traffic rules or driving carefully, but with anticipation and car control. Should electronic driving aids be banned? I think so. :-O I refer to the danger of the so-called 'cruise control'. :mad: Also, a driver's license should not be 'given' to anyone. Am I too extreme? Probably just seen to many idiots on the road this evening… :rose: -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
I have to say that I enjoy having cruise control. I'm not saying it can't be dangerous, but it definitely helps me out in not accidently speeding. I have a camaro and sometimes you look down at the speedometer and realize you're going way to fast. I think that it's the drivers that need to be more careful and pay attention.
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then why does formula 1, Indy and who knows what other racing series use abs? initially this was true, a driver that knew how to brake could stop faster. not the case anymore! Josef Wainz Software Developer
I agree, since the 3th and 4th gerneration ABS systems a human driver can no longer beat the ABS electronics. When driving on the track, the intention is still not to use them by gradual braking instead; the ABS is there when you make a mistake. -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
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Gert Boddaert wrote: An additional side effect (from what I have seen on the driving course and experienced on the race track) is that I am now - more than ever - convinced that 90% of car owners just can't drive. You're in Belgium, no? Paul
Paul Oss wrote: You're in Belgium, no? point taken :) -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
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Gert Boddaert wrote: So in fact, the advanced driving course accomplished the exact opposite of my original intention. But perhaps it had the exact result that the trainers intended? Gert Boddaert wrote: I am now - more than ever - convinced that 90% of car owners just can't drive. That low? I would have pegged it at 98% this morning and today. Holy CRAP, how the HELL did they FLIP the car in a 35mph zone? Gert Boddaert wrote: Should electronic driving aids be banned? Yes, because all they do is keep moron drivers from killing themselves, not others or causing accidents. Either take people TOTALLY out of the picture, or else make it so dangerous to drive natural selection cleans it out for us. As for cruse control, this is very handy when driving long distances, but is totally worthless near a city.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Skinning Toolkit MP3 Server for Windows And Lots More "The source, it was leaked : therefore, it must be rewritten."
Todd C. Wilson wrote: Yes, because all they do is keep moron drivers from killing themselves, not others or causing accidents. Either take people TOTALLY out of the picture, or else make it so dangerous to drive natural selection cleans it out for us. :-D Are you driving a beamer, Todd ? ;) -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
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Gert Boddaert wrote: ESP and the like, 'scuse my ignorance, but what is ESP? 'til next we type... HAVE FUN!! -- Jesse
http://en.knorr-bremsesfn.com/graphics/PDFs/P-3513-EN-01.pdf -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
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I remember reading a study that said that people (maybe guys only) who had undertaken an advanced driver training course were actually more likely to be in an accident afterwards - mainly because of over confidence. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: I remember reading a study that said that people (maybe guys only) who had undertaken an advanced driver training course were actually more likely to be in an accident afterwards - mainly because of over confidence. Chris, is that the study from the same institute that said that smoking is healthy? ;) After the course, I and the other course attendants had no confidence left: We knew we couldn't drive. A big motivation to do something about it. -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: Yes, because all they do is keep moron drivers from killing themselves, not others or causing accidents. Either take people TOTALLY out of the picture, or else make it so dangerous to drive natural selection cleans it out for us. :-D Are you driving a beamer, Todd ? ;) -------------------------------------------------- If my messages appear curt, I apologize. I try to be brief to save your time as well as mine. --------------------------------------------------
Gert Boddaert wrote: Are you driving a beamer, Todd No, because (A) I don't have more money than brains and (B) I don't need a penis extension. FYI, I drive a natty old Dodge Caravan that needs body work.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Skinning Toolkit MP3 Server for Windows And Lots More "The source, it was leaked : therefore, it must be rewritten."
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nonsense. what's the diff between stepping on a pedal or pressing a button. anytime i drive a ford vehicle for an extended period of time, i drive with my hands (they put the cruise control on the steering wheel, instead of the turn signal ((are u listening gm)). i can slow down and accelerate with my fingers. it's only braking that requires my foot. for most long trips on highways, full braking isn't required. my current vehicle doesn't have cruise and i really miss it! Josef Wainz Software Developer
JoeJoeMa wrote: i can slow down and accelerate with my fingers. it's only braking that requires my foot. Right, and if your foot is not near the pedals, your reaction time is much greater. I try to think but nothing happens.