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JohnJ wrote: JohnJ pauses to pull West Highland Terrier off ceiling after loud bang :laugh: We have a German Shepherd - 9 months old and very friendly, but standing his head comes up to my waist. I'm 6' tall. He doesn't so much stick to the ceiling as put a bloody great hole through it. And our official local display is tomorrow night :sigh: Paul
Paul Riley wrote: We have a German Shepherd - 9 months old and very friendly Well this is a 10 year old West Highland Terrier, very freindly but with a bark like a German Shepherd:rolleyes: He's the guard dog, constantly on watch but Fireworks/Extreme loud bangs turn him into a wimp:doh: He had a bad first 2 years before he was rescued, but that doesn't excuse the more stupid people of let these things off:mad: John Hudson Megan Forbes after having cage slightly rattled: Grrrrrrr....:baaaa!: humbug I say!:omg: JohnJ makes a note to wear protective clothing/goggles next time;P http://www.rainbow-innov.co.uk[^]
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Absolutely! The sort of parent that lets their 5 year old play with explosives on their own absolutely should have the right to do so. It's called evolution in action.
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I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!John Cardinal wrote: on their own It's not on their own though, they kill other children too. That's called manslaughter.
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Let's ban paintball / pellet guns also, as the same undisciplined kids are misusing them. And rubber bands. They hurt. And baseball bats - i'm tired of replacing my mailbox. Matches and lighters too - only certified, licensed professionals should be starting fire, ever. Oh, i suppose we should lock up flint and steel at the same time. And gravel - what were we thinking there?! :rolleyes: Or, just maybe, we could put the blame on the little bastards doing the mischief. :| [Edit: Oops, John's already beating this horse. Ah, well, it needs it. :) ]
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Shog9 wrote: Or, just maybe, we could put the blame on the little bastards doing the mischief. Blaming them doesn't help, warning them doesn't help. Arresting them doesn't help. The more attention they get from it the more they do it. Its ok for you to say 'Nanny State' is bad, but if there were no laws, then all 8 year olds would have shotguns and we would be perfectly entitled to drive while pissed(drunk) out of our minds. Is that a safe world?
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I'm with you. Round my way the last few nights and tonight has sounded like I'd moved to downtown Bagdad. I went up to the park the other morning and all the dog-poop bins were shattered around the place with the tell tale sign of fireworks all around. It's been happening for years and I don't see it changing. My advice to the government is to tax them more, that way they'll at least be able to afford to pay for the repairs. This country is sliding toward obvilion - I think it's time I moved to somewhere that isn't stuck in the dark-ages. Michael 'Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.' - The Doctor: The Wheel in Space
Michael P Butler wrote: My advice to the government is to tax them more :laugh: The more expensive they are, the more money will be stolen from the purses of the elderly to pay for them :-)
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Earlier: JohnJ wrote: control the use of fireworks IMHO fireworks should be illigal to buy on the street and should only be used by licensed companies for use in public or private shows. My parents and a few friends are organising a fundraising fireworks night at my college, we are making it a large event with lots of fun stuff to do, we have banned sparklers and instead brought in glow-lamps and stuff like that to sell to the kids. The actual fireworks are being run by a professional company we are paying for the night. And the bonfire will have a team feeding it and making sure its safe. There is no need to have your own fireworks at home when you can enjoy them in a controlled environment with much more spectacular displays, and a cheaper price. Here are the western governments saying how they are cracking down on terrorism, when you can buy enough explosives for a small war for £20 from your local newsagents/corner-shop. They think by making it 18's and older allowed to buy them, but it hasn't stopped under-18's drinking has it? For the last 3 weeks I've been woken up by kids letting off fireworks at 1-2am. Last night my dog was in such a state of fright/panic that we had to lock her in the study to prevent her doing harm to herself or another member of the family. Also, we see clips on the news about kids putting fireworks through letterboxes, in post boxes and in phone booths and blowing them up. Its criminal but for some reason [edit]we are allowed to buy fireworks because[/edit] 'its traditional therefore Ok'.
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Fireworks are illegal in Ireland. You need a licence from a circuit court to buy any and I think that that's the way it shoudl be. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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You guys are all missing the painfully obvious: parents are responsible for those problems, look to yourselves, not your government. When did people stop taking responsibility for their lives?
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I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!John Cardinal wrote: parents are responsible for those problems It doesn't help when the parents are the 3rd generation of 'little-firework-messing-thugs'. They don't give a damn and will complain if the police arrest their kids for setting fire to somones house.
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Earlier: JohnJ wrote: control the use of fireworks IMHO fireworks should be illigal to buy on the street and should only be used by licensed companies for use in public or private shows. My parents and a few friends are organising a fundraising fireworks night at my college, we are making it a large event with lots of fun stuff to do, we have banned sparklers and instead brought in glow-lamps and stuff like that to sell to the kids. The actual fireworks are being run by a professional company we are paying for the night. And the bonfire will have a team feeding it and making sure its safe. There is no need to have your own fireworks at home when you can enjoy them in a controlled environment with much more spectacular displays, and a cheaper price. Here are the western governments saying how they are cracking down on terrorism, when you can buy enough explosives for a small war for £20 from your local newsagents/corner-shop. They think by making it 18's and older allowed to buy them, but it hasn't stopped under-18's drinking has it? For the last 3 weeks I've been woken up by kids letting off fireworks at 1-2am. Last night my dog was in such a state of fright/panic that we had to lock her in the study to prevent her doing harm to herself or another member of the family. Also, we see clips on the news about kids putting fireworks through letterboxes, in post boxes and in phone booths and blowing them up. Its criminal but for some reason [edit]we are allowed to buy fireworks because[/edit] 'its traditional therefore Ok'.
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Fireworks should be legal for adults to purchase and use at their own discretion. The reason kids (and adults) so often do wrong and hurtful things with them is that they have no appreciation of the power to expect from them, and this is precisely because they have no experience with them. When I was growing up they were legal, and we (all the kids in the neighborhood) knew exactly what they could do, having played with them all our lives. We had no such accidents, ever, even with the explosive devices we built in our garages. "Nanny" government weakens the people in mind and spirit, and improperly prevents the useless and stupid from being culled out by natural selection. "Your village called -
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Shog9 wrote: Or, just maybe, we could put the blame on the little bastards doing the mischief. Blaming them doesn't help, warning them doesn't help. Arresting them doesn't help. The more attention they get from it the more they do it. Its ok for you to say 'Nanny State' is bad, but if there were no laws, then all 8 year olds would have shotguns and we would be perfectly entitled to drive while pissed(drunk) out of our minds. Is that a safe world?
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman blog.nonny.com [^]
Jonny Newman wrote: Is that a safe world? Since when is the world supposed to be safe? I'm spending the afternoon using a wet saw to cut ceramic tile. Now, i'm a moderately careful person, so haven't had any trouble - but, certainly there's ample opportunity for someone to use the saw to cut off their hand, someone else's hand, electrocute themselves, start a destructive fire, or simply ruin an otherwise good piece of equipment. For the sake of my new floor, i'm glad there aren't any heavy-handed laws preventing the use of power tools for these reasons. To use a slightly more relevant example, it's now difficult for persons under the age of 18 to buy spray paint here. Why? Because a few idiots thought it fun to huff the stuff. Great. Now my sister has to get someone else to buy art supplies for her. Meanwhile, the same idiots are probably huffing petroleum straight from a pump somewhere, and drinking denatured alcohol. You wanna ban fireworks to keep kids from blowing up mailboxes? Guess what - a bottle filled with aluminum foil and toilet bowl cleaner does the job just as well, while being (if anything) even easier to obtain than fireworks. And the numbskulls who survive that will probably go on to fill many roles in society where their careless, thoughtless ways will harm you in much more significant ways. A wall covered and stained by mildew can be painted over much more easily than it can be cleaned. But it doesn't help nearly as much in the long run. But enough griping. I don't know what system of local government you have there, but i'd imagine there is some sort of town council or the like. Get other concerned citizens to sign a petition, and bring it to the attention of local lawmakers. Suggest that explosives be restricted within city limits, or that a designated area be set aside for their use. Suggest stiff penalties for anyone violating this ordinance. Take a democratic approach to the situation, and see how far it gets you before resorting to heavy-handed restrictions.
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Earlier: JohnJ wrote: control the use of fireworks IMHO fireworks should be illigal to buy on the street and should only be used by licensed companies for use in public or private shows. My parents and a few friends are organising a fundraising fireworks night at my college, we are making it a large event with lots of fun stuff to do, we have banned sparklers and instead brought in glow-lamps and stuff like that to sell to the kids. The actual fireworks are being run by a professional company we are paying for the night. And the bonfire will have a team feeding it and making sure its safe. There is no need to have your own fireworks at home when you can enjoy them in a controlled environment with much more spectacular displays, and a cheaper price. Here are the western governments saying how they are cracking down on terrorism, when you can buy enough explosives for a small war for £20 from your local newsagents/corner-shop. They think by making it 18's and older allowed to buy them, but it hasn't stopped under-18's drinking has it? For the last 3 weeks I've been woken up by kids letting off fireworks at 1-2am. Last night my dog was in such a state of fright/panic that we had to lock her in the study to prevent her doing harm to herself or another member of the family. Also, we see clips on the news about kids putting fireworks through letterboxes, in post boxes and in phone booths and blowing them up. Its criminal but for some reason [edit]we are allowed to buy fireworks because[/edit] 'its traditional therefore Ok'.
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman blog.nonny.com [^]
Not sure my disagrement with your position is proper for the lounge. So I'll leave it that.
Please save us from the baby-sitter-by-goverment crowd. We, the unwashed masses, can and do get along just fine without these malentioned do-gooders.
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little past them into the impossible.--Arthur C. Clark
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John Cardinal wrote: on their own It's not on their own though, they kill other children too. That's called manslaughter.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Putting the laughter back into slaughter
It is called shit happens. Your airsoft guns should be banned for all the same reasons as fireworks mate. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Marc Clifton wrote: "organically fed captivity free regurgitated bee nectar" (honey) on dieting. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Fireworks are illegal in Ireland. You need a licence from a circuit court to buy any and I think that that's the way it shoudl be. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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MFC.NET Application Wizard Mix .NET and MFC easily.You never played with fireworks when you were a kid? Crikey, you poor, poor man. I mean, I know Ulla is a good substitute and all but it is just so much fun to stuff crackers down your friends shirt and blow his pocket off! regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Marc Clifton wrote: "organically fed captivity free regurgitated bee nectar" (honey) on dieting. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Earlier: JohnJ wrote: control the use of fireworks IMHO fireworks should be illigal to buy on the street and should only be used by licensed companies for use in public or private shows. My parents and a few friends are organising a fundraising fireworks night at my college, we are making it a large event with lots of fun stuff to do, we have banned sparklers and instead brought in glow-lamps and stuff like that to sell to the kids. The actual fireworks are being run by a professional company we are paying for the night. And the bonfire will have a team feeding it and making sure its safe. There is no need to have your own fireworks at home when you can enjoy them in a controlled environment with much more spectacular displays, and a cheaper price. Here are the western governments saying how they are cracking down on terrorism, when you can buy enough explosives for a small war for £20 from your local newsagents/corner-shop. They think by making it 18's and older allowed to buy them, but it hasn't stopped under-18's drinking has it? For the last 3 weeks I've been woken up by kids letting off fireworks at 1-2am. Last night my dog was in such a state of fright/panic that we had to lock her in the study to prevent her doing harm to herself or another member of the family. Also, we see clips on the news about kids putting fireworks through letterboxes, in post boxes and in phone booths and blowing them up. Its criminal but for some reason [edit]we are allowed to buy fireworks because[/edit] 'its traditional therefore Ok'.
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman blog.nonny.com [^]
and you know it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Marc Clifton wrote: "organically fed captivity free regurgitated bee nectar" (honey) on dieting. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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and you know it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Marc Clifton wrote: "organically fed captivity free regurgitated bee nectar" (honey) on dieting. Crikey! ain't life grand?
It does make it harder to do though. And you can hardly conseal the use of fireworks...
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It does make it harder to do though. And you can hardly conseal the use of fireworks...
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman blog.nonny.com [^]
The problem with banning is that the people most likely to cause harm are the most determined. Banning will filter out the kids who just want a bit of fun in a deserted parking lot or field. A couple fo the malicious buggers will also be thawted because they are just lazy. But the ones who blow up telephone booths and scare little old ladies are going to get their paws on the things. It will also drive supplier underground. The honourable suppliers will looses their livelihood while the crooks will gain more control. I know not all bad kids respond to education and better environments but a lot do and the results are probably at least as good if not better than outright banning. As a kid I had a great time with fireworks. Worst thing that happened was blowing the pocket off a friends shirt with a string of crackers. He was fine, I was not becaues I got a hiding from my mom. Most of the time we used fireworks in fields and parking lots and never did anybody any harm. Yeah, we were good kids and most kids are. Ruining it for everybody because of a few bad apples is a rubbish thing to do. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Marc Clifton wrote: "organically fed captivity free regurgitated bee nectar" (honey) on dieting. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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It is called shit happens. Your airsoft guns should be banned for all the same reasons as fireworks mate. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Marc Clifton wrote: "organically fed captivity free regurgitated bee nectar" (honey) on dieting. Crikey! ain't life grand?
Airsoft toys are regulated with far more serious consequences for missusing them (i.e. death by ARU, mandatory prison sentances for armed robbery and assault -- in fact every single consequence for misusing a firearm applies), and they are incapable of causing anything more than a skin wound if missused. (Hence the 'soft' part of their name). Airguns however are capable of much higher velocities and yet are regulated far less - a 14 year old can own an airgun which can blind and even kill a person, yet you must be 17/18 to own (and increasingly to even use) an airsoft toy. And excluding some dishonest market sellers the airsoft retailer community do take their responsibilities to the sport and the public very seriously indeed. They are not in it to make money, they are in it for the love of the sport -- that makes them their money. Fireworks however are a very different picture. Unless you live in the sticks chances are the only place fireworks can be let off is on public ground or large private areas (as is the case with organised events), or in the streets dogding the moving vehicles. Very few residential gardens (~5%) in this country are capable of being safe areas for letting off fireworks, both through not being able to provide the required safety distance from people, animals and property, and through missiles falling onto other residences and public roads. Misuse of fireworks is a very small proportion of the problem, it is the legal use that causes more fear, accidents, abuse of animals, loss of property and deaths, both at the hands of the users and the devices themselves. Just as industrial grade explosive, fireworks should be regulated so that you require a license to purchase and use them. Police must be given the ability to stop and request this license whenever they feel like it, and must be able to give out mandatory fines and/or sentances for unlicensed use. We're not talking licensing sparklers here -- we are talking about preventing people like you and me from walking into my local corner shop and buying 50lbs of explosive for £100 and a smile. Don't go thinking this will prevent people enjoying fireworks - that is utter shite. Every year I get to choose from at least half a dozen massive organised display events, and this weekend alone I have been able to see two very well done displays from the comfort of my own garden. One was organised by the local school, the other appeared to be coming from private farm land outside of town. This and the following weekend will see more
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Fireworks are illegal in Ireland. You need a licence from a circuit court to buy any and I think that that's the way it shoudl be. Regards, Brian Dela :-) http://www.briandela.com IE 6 required.
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The problem with banning is that the people most likely to cause harm are the most determined. Banning will filter out the kids who just want a bit of fun in a deserted parking lot or field. A couple fo the malicious buggers will also be thawted because they are just lazy. But the ones who blow up telephone booths and scare little old ladies are going to get their paws on the things. It will also drive supplier underground. The honourable suppliers will looses their livelihood while the crooks will gain more control. I know not all bad kids respond to education and better environments but a lot do and the results are probably at least as good if not better than outright banning. As a kid I had a great time with fireworks. Worst thing that happened was blowing the pocket off a friends shirt with a string of crackers. He was fine, I was not becaues I got a hiding from my mom. Most of the time we used fireworks in fields and parking lots and never did anybody any harm. Yeah, we were good kids and most kids are. Ruining it for everybody because of a few bad apples is a rubbish thing to do. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Marc Clifton wrote: "organically fed captivity free regurgitated bee nectar" (honey) on dieting. Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Worst thing that happened was blowing the pocket off a friends shirt with a string of crackers. There may be a difference here... :~ Banger's are not the problem as they are Category 1 fireworks (though they do cause public noise offenses so should be governed by that legislation). Neither are catherine wheels and roman candles (Category 2 - small garden fireworks). It is the sale and use of Category 3 and 4 explosives that are. We are talking about the military-grade maroons I am legally entitled to pick up from my local Homebase store that are equvalent to a dozen (illegal) flashbang grenades, or the 120mm calibre mortars that fire bursting charges of solid blackpowder the size of a snooker ball three hundred feet into the air... these should not be used by adults, let along children. :| Incidentally, crackers are totally illegal here in the UK now thanks to the mass abuse and loss of life they have caused.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Putting the laughter back into slaughter
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Airsoft toys are regulated with far more serious consequences for missusing them (i.e. death by ARU, mandatory prison sentances for armed robbery and assault -- in fact every single consequence for misusing a firearm applies), and they are incapable of causing anything more than a skin wound if missused. (Hence the 'soft' part of their name). Airguns however are capable of much higher velocities and yet are regulated far less - a 14 year old can own an airgun which can blind and even kill a person, yet you must be 17/18 to own (and increasingly to even use) an airsoft toy. And excluding some dishonest market sellers the airsoft retailer community do take their responsibilities to the sport and the public very seriously indeed. They are not in it to make money, they are in it for the love of the sport -- that makes them their money. Fireworks however are a very different picture. Unless you live in the sticks chances are the only place fireworks can be let off is on public ground or large private areas (as is the case with organised events), or in the streets dogding the moving vehicles. Very few residential gardens (~5%) in this country are capable of being safe areas for letting off fireworks, both through not being able to provide the required safety distance from people, animals and property, and through missiles falling onto other residences and public roads. Misuse of fireworks is a very small proportion of the problem, it is the legal use that causes more fear, accidents, abuse of animals, loss of property and deaths, both at the hands of the users and the devices themselves. Just as industrial grade explosive, fireworks should be regulated so that you require a license to purchase and use them. Police must be given the ability to stop and request this license whenever they feel like it, and must be able to give out mandatory fines and/or sentances for unlicensed use. We're not talking licensing sparklers here -- we are talking about preventing people like you and me from walking into my local corner shop and buying 50lbs of explosive for £100 and a smile. Don't go thinking this will prevent people enjoying fireworks - that is utter shite. Every year I get to choose from at least half a dozen massive organised display events, and this weekend alone I have been able to see two very well done displays from the comfort of my own garden. One was organised by the local school, the other appeared to be coming from private farm land outside of town. This and the following weekend will see more
We can go to and fro on this. You hate them, I love them. You want a nanny state, I don't. >Don't go thinking this will prevent people enjoying fireworks - that is utter shite. Every year I get to choose from at least half a dozen massive organised display events Not the same as playing with them yourselves. Sorry you never enjoyed it but my friends, my family and I have always had great *safe* fun. Making your own guy fawkes and burning him down with catherine wheels and all that is a hoot. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Marc Clifton wrote: "organically fed captivity free regurgitated bee nectar" (honey) on dieting. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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We can go to and fro on this. You hate them, I love them. You want a nanny state, I don't. >Don't go thinking this will prevent people enjoying fireworks - that is utter shite. Every year I get to choose from at least half a dozen massive organised display events Not the same as playing with them yourselves. Sorry you never enjoyed it but my friends, my family and I have always had great *safe* fun. Making your own guy fawkes and burning him down with catherine wheels and all that is a hoot. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Marc Clifton wrote: "organically fed captivity free regurgitated bee nectar" (honey) on dieting. Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Sorry you never enjoyed it but my friends, my family and I have always had great *safe* fun. Making your own guy fawkes and burning him down with catherine wheels and all that is a hoot. Oh but I have, from age eight or so right up till age fifteen when I realised that you actaully have more fun taking part in an organised event. But then I also realised years ago that commuity spirit is not important and thinking before acting is not a common trait. X| It would be interesting to see if you wrote your reply before reading my other response below?
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Putting the laughter back into slaughter
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Earlier: JohnJ wrote: control the use of fireworks IMHO fireworks should be illigal to buy on the street and should only be used by licensed companies for use in public or private shows. My parents and a few friends are organising a fundraising fireworks night at my college, we are making it a large event with lots of fun stuff to do, we have banned sparklers and instead brought in glow-lamps and stuff like that to sell to the kids. The actual fireworks are being run by a professional company we are paying for the night. And the bonfire will have a team feeding it and making sure its safe. There is no need to have your own fireworks at home when you can enjoy them in a controlled environment with much more spectacular displays, and a cheaper price. Here are the western governments saying how they are cracking down on terrorism, when you can buy enough explosives for a small war for £20 from your local newsagents/corner-shop. They think by making it 18's and older allowed to buy them, but it hasn't stopped under-18's drinking has it? For the last 3 weeks I've been woken up by kids letting off fireworks at 1-2am. Last night my dog was in such a state of fright/panic that we had to lock her in the study to prevent her doing harm to herself or another member of the family. Also, we see clips on the news about kids putting fireworks through letterboxes, in post boxes and in phone booths and blowing them up. Its criminal but for some reason [edit]we are allowed to buy fireworks because[/edit] 'its traditional therefore Ok'.
Jonathan 'nonny' Newman blog.nonny.com [^]
Fireworks can only be set off on Victoria Day (~May 24th) and Canada Day (July 1). It's illegal any other day of the year. In the Philippines, I remember the January 1st newspaper's headlines would always have something like "only 92 killed this new year's" or "only 301 maimed last night", followed by a very gruesome picture of a guy without his right arm. Fireworks should only be available to people who know how to use them. The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]