What a bunch of hypocrites!
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Doesn't "satan" operate hell and manipulate people into "sin"? If I were "god" I would just close "satan's" hell. Anyway, what proof does "god" give to the individual? We've all heard that 100 monkeys typing in Visual C++ could come up with Windows. - thanks to MS, we now know this is true May the Source be with you. :vegemite:
Anyway, what proof does "god" give to the individual? Needing proof goes against the idea of faith. I believe in God, yet I really have no physical proof that tells me there is a God. Instead, I'm relying on gut instinct and my own personal views on the universe. Someone who truly believes in God doesn't need proof of his/her/its' existence, they just believe. Of course, you can also start reading into things and inventing proof, viewing things like "faith healing" or "praying in tongues" as being signs of God.
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Anyway, what proof does "god" give to the individual? Needing proof goes against the idea of faith. I believe in God, yet I really have no physical proof that tells me there is a God. Instead, I'm relying on gut instinct and my own personal views on the universe. Someone who truly believes in God doesn't need proof of his/her/its' existence, they just believe. Of course, you can also start reading into things and inventing proof, viewing things like "faith healing" or "praying in tongues" as being signs of God.
What if I believed that I was superman? I would have faith in that assumption, but I would most likely end up in a Mental Hospital. We've all heard that 100 monkeys typing in Visual C++ could come up with Windows. - thanks to MS, we now know this is true May the Source be with you. :vegemite:
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What if I believed that I was superman? I would have faith in that assumption, but I would most likely end up in a Mental Hospital. We've all heard that 100 monkeys typing in Visual C++ could come up with Windows. - thanks to MS, we now know this is true May the Source be with you. :vegemite:
What if I believed that I was superman? I would have faith in that assumption, but I would most likely end up in a Mental Hospital. Was there a point to that statement? Sure, sometimes blind faith is a bad thing. It's up to the individual to decide whether believing in God falls under that category.
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Doesn't "satan" operate hell and manipulate people into "sin"? If I were "god" I would just close "satan's" hell. Anyway, what proof does "god" give to the individual? We've all heard that 100 monkeys typing in Visual C++ could come up with Windows. - thanks to MS, we now know this is true May the Source be with you. :vegemite:
Doesn't "satan" operate hell and manipulate people into "sin"? No. People do not need satans help, if he were able to give it. The idea of satan with horns attacking people and feasting on their souls in hell is a catholic invention. If I were "god" I would just close "satan's" hell. Anyway, what proof does "god" give to the individual? Although some people think the Bible says proof denies faith, it ACTUALLY says faith is built on experience. The Bible specifies the gifts given to all Christians at the point of conversion, and how to go about asking God for these gifts and therefore salvation. I've said a lot on this here recently, so I think it's best if I limit the airplay I get to rehash things you can read by going back in the lounge. I don't want to turn this into Christian's religious forum, or to monopolise the lounge with my views, even if it is through answering questions. If you have any questions after reading my past posts, I'd suggest at the moment it's more appropriate they occur via email. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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Either way, because salvation is not earned, you are correct in thinking it has nothing to do with how nice a person you are. It may seem ridiculous, but it's only because God is more generous than you would apparently like. It does seem ridiculous, and that's one of the things I don't like about religion. Yes, religions also try to preach morality and values, but telling people "doesn't matter what you do on earth, so long as you believe" is wrong. It's good that God is offering us the chance to redeem ourselves -- I've no problem with that -- but there should really be a line somewhere. Someone like say, Osama bin Laden, should not be allowed into heaven, no matter how regretful he feels. Let him regret and burn in hell too, I say. Yeah, the above example doesn't really work since bin Laden isn't Christian and probably has different beliefs on heaven/hell/Christ, but you get the idea. Again, certain things that are deemed "sins", like envy or jealousy, are just part of being a human being, and it's good that God can forgive them. But murder? Rape? No way.
It does seem ridiculous, and that's one of the things I don't like about religion. Yes, religions also try to preach morality and values, but telling people "doesn't matter what you do on earth, so long as you believe" is wrong. I never said that. What I said was that what people did prior to conversion is irrelevant, what they do after is another story. It's good that God is offering us the chance to redeem ourselves -- I've no problem with that -- but there should really be a line somewhere. Someone like say, Osama bin Laden, should not be allowed into heaven, no matter how regretful he feels. Let him regret and burn in hell too, I say. Again, certain things that are deemed "sins", like envy or jealousy, are just part of being a human being, and it's good that God can forgive them. But murder? Rape? No way Well, given that you've said you believe in a god who does nothing and is built in the image of your gut feelings, it's no surprise he also follows your views regarding crime & punishment. To reiterate what I said above - killing a killer is society taking revenge, but isn't it better on every level if the person is recreated by the power of God and lives the rest of their life regretting their actions ? Dead is dead, and killing the killer actually punishes them less, so God's way is more just as well as more loving. The Bible sets out exactly what sort of things are part of our humanity and to be overcome, but forgivable, if you will, and what things are totally unacceptable in the church. You should base your statements on what the Bible says rather than what you percieve the religious world to say if you want to talk about Christianity. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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[rant] http://www.godandscience.org/ I just spent forty minutes reading though this so called informative site, before I realised that their basic method of determining true from fasle is seriously flawed. The author seems to beleive that because something cannot be proved, then it is false, and the opposite is proved. That is ludicrous seeing as the existance of God (to quote one example) cannot be proved any more reliably then it can be disproved. In fact, a lot of the so called proof they are using as fundamental to their arguments, is in themselves not provable. What a bunch of hypocrites! What a waste of bandwidth. If you were planning on reading this site (a link was mentioned below), don't bother. It's the normal "I am right and you are wrong because I am right and you are wrong" you should expect from such religious people. [/rant]
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com P.S. Note that I said "expect from such religious people", not "expect from religious people". I am refering to the Jehova's Witness approach, i.e. shovel the sh*t still is sticks.
I just spent forty minutes reading though this so called informative site It took you 40 minutes to decide to realise that there basic method was flawed !! You should be spending this time working on your sig !!! Regardz Colin J Davies
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What if I believed that I was superman? I would have faith in that assumption, but I would most likely end up in a Mental Hospital. We've all heard that 100 monkeys typing in Visual C++ could come up with Windows. - thanks to MS, we now know this is true May the Source be with you. :vegemite:
What if I believed that I was superman? I would have faith in that assumption, but I would most likely end up in a Mental Hospital. The crazy thing is - you might even end up in a mental hospital if you go around claiming that this God your supposed to believe in talks to you. Steve T. Philosophy: Questions which may never be answered. Religion: Answers which may never be questioned.
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[rant] http://www.godandscience.org/ I just spent forty minutes reading though this so called informative site, before I realised that their basic method of determining true from fasle is seriously flawed. The author seems to beleive that because something cannot be proved, then it is false, and the opposite is proved. That is ludicrous seeing as the existance of God (to quote one example) cannot be proved any more reliably then it can be disproved. In fact, a lot of the so called proof they are using as fundamental to their arguments, is in themselves not provable. What a bunch of hypocrites! What a waste of bandwidth. If you were planning on reading this site (a link was mentioned below), don't bother. It's the normal "I am right and you are wrong because I am right and you are wrong" you should expect from such religious people. [/rant]
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com P.S. Note that I said "expect from such religious people", not "expect from religious people". I am refering to the Jehova's Witness approach, i.e. shovel the sh*t still is sticks.
I have another site which might fall under the same category. http://www.tencommandments.org/ But since I go there now and then to read his articles, I cannot recommend you not to go. ;P There's something to be said about how some of these people stick to their beliefs, right or wrong. You can learn alot from these guys debating skills next time you negociate your pay. I Believe I am worth 30% more money, and you cannot prove to me that Im not!
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[rant] http://www.godandscience.org/ I just spent forty minutes reading though this so called informative site, before I realised that their basic method of determining true from fasle is seriously flawed. The author seems to beleive that because something cannot be proved, then it is false, and the opposite is proved. That is ludicrous seeing as the existance of God (to quote one example) cannot be proved any more reliably then it can be disproved. In fact, a lot of the so called proof they are using as fundamental to their arguments, is in themselves not provable. What a bunch of hypocrites! What a waste of bandwidth. If you were planning on reading this site (a link was mentioned below), don't bother. It's the normal "I am right and you are wrong because I am right and you are wrong" you should expect from such religious people. [/rant]
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com P.S. Note that I said "expect from such religious people", not "expect from religious people". I am refering to the Jehova's Witness approach, i.e. shovel the sh*t still is sticks.
Hmmmm.... Makes me wonder if I shouldn't read all the new posts before posting my messages. I guess you can disregard my post to Paul's new thread. *wishes he'd read that site a little more* John
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Anyway, what proof does "god" give to the individual? Needing proof goes against the idea of faith. I believe in God, yet I really have no physical proof that tells me there is a God. Instead, I'm relying on gut instinct and my own personal views on the universe. Someone who truly believes in God doesn't need proof of his/her/its' existence, they just believe. Of course, you can also start reading into things and inventing proof, viewing things like "faith healing" or "praying in tongues" as being signs of God.
Actually, many theologians have denied the idea that faith needs no evidence. It seems that in general the people who believe what they want to believe don't feel the need for supporting evidence, while those who actually desire to know the truth will base their faith upon the evidence they find. I base my faith in the Bible on the supporting evidence for it, and the lack of anti-Biblical evidence. Otherwise, I'd believe something I chose out of thin air. John
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I have another site which might fall under the same category. http://www.tencommandments.org/ But since I go there now and then to read his articles, I cannot recommend you not to go. ;P There's something to be said about how some of these people stick to their beliefs, right or wrong. You can learn alot from these guys debating skills next time you negociate your pay. I Believe I am worth 30% more money, and you cannot prove to me that Im not!
Now that's a good idea. If you are refused, you can say they are denying some right you probably have. :)
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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I just spent forty minutes reading though this so called informative site It took you 40 minutes to decide to realise that there basic method was flawed !! You should be spending this time working on your sig !!! Regardz Colin J Davies
It took you 40 minutes to decide to realise that there basic method was flawed !! Well I started off reading and thinking "right, they must have the real evidence at the end." However, after that article 'proving' Macroevolution to be false, I drew the conclusion that there actually wasn't any real proof. I found the Unicorn argument particularly amusing. It was almost the kind of thing you'd expect Roger to come out with when we next corner him. :) You should be spending this time working on your sig !!! What, and neglect my Bob movie?
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com