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How about ironic coincidence? :rolleyes:
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David Wulff wrote: How about ironic coincidence? Is there such a thing as coincidental irony? Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
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David Wulff wrote: How about ironic coincidence? Is there such a thing as coincidental irony? Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
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David Wulff wrote: How about ironic coincidence? Is there such a thing as coincidental irony? Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
Marc Clifton wrote: Is there such a thing as coincidental irony? Couldn't irony be considered a subset/subclass/specialization of coincidence? Irony is when two or more parties coincide in a way that is incongruitous with what is expected. -- Hell is from here to eternity.
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: That would be an example of a coincidence - not irony...... Sorry, no, you're wrong: co·in·ci·dence: the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection [emp. mine]. iro·ny: usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony. There did not seem to be any connection between talking on a CELL PHONE and driving into a CELL PHONE STORE (that is, one does not give rise to the other). It is, however, IRONIC that the woman did so. If, for example, she was running from the police and crashed the car into the building where Bush was giving a speech, then yes, that could be considered coincidence.
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: There did not seem to be any connection between talking on a CELL PHONE and driving into a CELL PHONE STORE To me, the connection would be "Cell Phone". Todd C. Wilson wrote: iro·ny: usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony. This is a self-defining statement and neglects the key component of irony - an action whose result is opposite of its intent. Then there is Socratic irony.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Is there such a thing as coincidental irony? Couldn't irony be considered a subset/subclass/specialization of coincidence? Irony is when two or more parties coincide in a way that is incongruitous with what is expected. -- Hell is from here to eternity.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Couldn't irony be considered a subset/subclass/specialization of coincidence? I would say in many cases, yes (but not necessarily so). If I wore a bullet-proof vest to save my life, but fall into the water and the vest weighs me down so I drown, that would be irony (because the result (of wearing the vest) was the opposite of it's intent (to save your life). But would there be any coincidence? Coincidence is actually a prefix "co" meaning "together" and "incident" meaning a happening. Thus, a coincidence is a simultaneous happening of events. Irony is very specific and is one of the most overused/misused words in language. So much so that I would be surprised if the definition wasn't expanded to include it as a synonym for coincidence some day.
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: There did not seem to be any connection between talking on a CELL PHONE and driving into a CELL PHONE STORE To me, the connection would be "Cell Phone". Todd C. Wilson wrote: iro·ny: usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony. This is a self-defining statement and neglects the key component of irony - an action whose result is opposite of its intent. Then there is Socratic irony.
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The irony of you arguing about the usage of a word with a big happy smiley face on your sig is ironic in and of itself, and is of no doubt, pure coincidence. As is that nobody but yourself seems to give a damn, while the rest of us just enjoy ourselves at your overbearing expense.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Couldn't irony be considered a subset/subclass/specialization of coincidence? I would say in many cases, yes (but not necessarily so). If I wore a bullet-proof vest to save my life, but fall into the water and the vest weighs me down so I drown, that would be irony (because the result (of wearing the vest) was the opposite of it's intent (to save your life). But would there be any coincidence? Coincidence is actually a prefix "co" meaning "together" and "incident" meaning a happening. Thus, a coincidence is a simultaneous happening of events. Irony is very specific and is one of the most overused/misused words in language. So much so that I would be surprised if the definition wasn't expanded to include it as a synonym for coincidence some day.
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: Irony is very specific and is one of the most overused/misused words in language. So much so that I would be surprised if the definition wasn't expanded to include it as a synonym for coincidence some day. And it is, of course, your job to jump in, point this interesting tidbit of information to all and everyone, and not contribute positivly to a topic. Congrats on performing a double-twist-threadjack. What does our contestant win, Bob? Why folks, he wins a lifetime supply of drubbings and lutefisk!
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: That would be an example of a coincidence - not irony...... Sorry, no, you're wrong: co·in·ci·dence: the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection [emp. mine]. iro·ny: usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony. There did not seem to be any connection between talking on a CELL PHONE and driving into a CELL PHONE STORE (that is, one does not give rise to the other). It is, however, IRONIC that the woman did so. If, for example, she was running from the police and crashed the car into the building where Bush was giving a speech, then yes, that could be considered coincidence.
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It would be ironic if the woman crashed her car into a sign warning drivers that using your cell phone while driving leads to more accidents. Crashing into a cell phone store is just funny, not ironic. --Mike-- Ericahist [updated Oct 26] | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | Homepage | RightClick-Encrypt | 1ClickPicGrabber Actual sign at the laundromat I go to: "No tinting or dying."
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Couldn't irony be considered a subset/subclass/specialization of coincidence? I would say in many cases, yes (but not necessarily so). If I wore a bullet-proof vest to save my life, but fall into the water and the vest weighs me down so I drown, that would be irony (because the result (of wearing the vest) was the opposite of it's intent (to save your life). But would there be any coincidence? Coincidence is actually a prefix "co" meaning "together" and "incident" meaning a happening. Thus, a coincidence is a simultaneous happening of events. Irony is very specific and is one of the most overused/misused words in language. So much so that I would be surprised if the definition wasn't expanded to include it as a synonym for coincidence some day.
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You are correct 10 outta 10. I'm sure a majority of the times I have seen 'irony' used, it ahs been misused. That is ironical as it no longer is irony. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: That would be an example of a coincidence - not irony...... Sorry, no, you're wrong: co·in·ci·dence: the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection [emp. mine]. iro·ny: usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony. There did not seem to be any connection between talking on a CELL PHONE and driving into a CELL PHONE STORE (that is, one does not give rise to the other). It is, however, IRONIC that the woman did so. If, for example, she was running from the police and crashed the car into the building where Bush was giving a speech, then yes, that could be considered coincidence.
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irony - Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs (from dictionary.com) This story would be ironic only if the women running into the cell phone store while talking on the cell phone was the opposite of what we expected. It is not. Most of us would expect a person on a cell phone to get into a senseless, stupid wreck. The fact that she hit a cell phone store is merely coincidence. Jared jparsons@jparsons.org www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte477n
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: That would be an example of a coincidence - not irony...... Sorry, no, you're wrong: co·in·ci·dence: the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection [emp. mine]. iro·ny: usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony. There did not seem to be any connection between talking on a CELL PHONE and driving into a CELL PHONE STORE (that is, one does not give rise to the other). It is, however, IRONIC that the woman did so. If, for example, she was running from the police and crashed the car into the building where Bush was giving a speech, then yes, that could be considered coincidence.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com Skinning Toolkit MP3 Server for Windows And Lots More "The source, it was leaked : therefore, it must be rewritten."
Now that was some funny stuff Todd
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That would be an example of a coincidence - not irony......
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Couldn't irony be considered a subset/subclass/specialization of coincidence? I would say in many cases, yes (but not necessarily so). If I wore a bullet-proof vest to save my life, but fall into the water and the vest weighs me down so I drown, that would be irony (because the result (of wearing the vest) was the opposite of it's intent (to save your life). But would there be any coincidence? Coincidence is actually a prefix "co" meaning "together" and "incident" meaning a happening. Thus, a coincidence is a simultaneous happening of events. Irony is very specific and is one of the most overused/misused words in language. So much so that I would be surprised if the definition wasn't expanded to include it as a synonym for coincidence some day.
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Hmm.. Wearing the vest is one event and falling into water is another. Both events coincides. It's just that you didn't anticipate to fall into water. So, I see two or more events coinciding still. Terry O`Nolley wrote: Irony is very specific and is one of the most overused/misused words in language. Yes. In Swedish, some people find it incredibly hard to differ between irony and sarcasm/satire. Irony is a "thing of fate", like the vest example, while sarcasm is just expressing something using its negation. Like saying "Lovely weather, don't you think?" when it's raining cats and dogs. :) -- Hell is from here to eternity.