What special day is this?
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11th November is the day that the western countries remember those who died in the wars man has fought. (Especially WWI and WWII) It is very important that we remember the sacrifice these men and women made to protect our freedom. In the UK a one-minutes silence is held at 11am. This year is especially important as we currently have men and women dying fighting for a cause in a foreign field. Michael 'Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.' - The Doctor: The Wheel in Space
Michael P Butler wrote: 11th November is the day that the western countries remember those who died in the wars man has fought Actually, that is an US/UK-only celebration. Here, we are celebrating the start of the 'carnival'-season. Men with funny hats telling old (and nasty! - thats important) jokes and so on. Especially the people in the south west seem to like this. So much for international holidays....
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Michael P Butler wrote: 11th November is the day that the western countries remember those who died in the wars man has fought Actually, that is an US/UK-only celebration. Here, we are celebrating the start of the 'carnival'-season. Men with funny hats telling old (and nasty! - thats important) jokes and so on. Especially the people in the south west seem to like this. So much for international holidays....
Who is 'General Failure'? And why is he reading my harddisk?!?
jhwurmbach wrote: Actually, that is an US/UK-only celebration ummm and Australia. Not sure about New Zealand but i'd be very very surprised if it wasn't. Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net "I killed him dead cuz he was stepping on my turf, cutting me out of my bling the same way my ho cuts cookies, officer" "Alright then, move along" - Ian Darling, The Lounge, Oct 10 2003
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Armistice (sp?) day - the anniversary of the end of the first world war. It's why everyone - everyone here, at least - is sporting nasty little cardboard poppies on their clothing. Rich.
Remembrance day is marked in Australia too but I've never understood why we mark it on November 11th. We should mark it on November 12th because that was the date in Australia when the Armistice occurred (other side of the international dateline). Similarly, our media inflict such absurdities upon us as the anniversary of the JFK assassination being November 22 when it occurred on November 23 Australian time. And so on... or am I being too precise? :) Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net "I killed him dead cuz he was stepping on my turf, cutting me out of my bling the same way my ho cuts cookies, officer" "Alright then, move along" - Ian Darling, The Lounge, Oct 10 2003
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jhwurmbach wrote: Actually, that is an US/UK-only celebration ummm and Australia. Not sure about New Zealand but i'd be very very surprised if it wasn't. Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net "I killed him dead cuz he was stepping on my turf, cutting me out of my bling the same way my ho cuts cookies, officer" "Alright then, move along" - Ian Darling, The Lounge, Oct 10 2003
Always remember been a tiny kid and running about the shopping center putting money into the boxes and getting paper poppies to pin on. Alas, seems to have faded in recent years. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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jhwurmbach wrote: Actually, that is an US/UK-only celebration ummm and Australia. Not sure about New Zealand but i'd be very very surprised if it wasn't. Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net "I killed him dead cuz he was stepping on my turf, cutting me out of my bling the same way my ho cuts cookies, officer" "Alright then, move along" - Ian Darling, The Lounge, Oct 10 2003
Rob Manderson wrote: Actually, that is an US/UK-only celebration ummm and Australia. Not sure about New Zealand but i'd be very very surprised if it wasn't. Down-under, South Africa.. Ok, the Anglo-Saxon-world, then. :-D But that is still not the 'western world' as Michael wrote. ;P
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Always remember been a tiny kid and running about the shopping center putting money into the boxes and getting paper poppies to pin on. Alas, seems to have faded in recent years. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
I didn't know SA also observed Remembrance Day*. Paul Watson wrote: Alas, seems to have faded in recent years Yup. When I was a kid (early 1960's) I can recall almost everyone at least pausing for a moment at 11 AM on November 11th. It persisted into the early 1970's where I worked. Then it just seemed to fade away. Which, to be honest, doesn't strike me as all that bad. How long do we go on noticing one or two dates whilst ignoring the others? Oct 3/4 for example. Or the other September 11th? April 30th? On the other hand, given that one could pick a tragedy for every day of the year, maybe it's protective parochialism at work. One could easily get unwontedly morbid commemorating every tragedy... *Could the fact that SA's observance of Remembrance Day is ignored in Australia be due to the fact that Australia's first involvement in a 'foreign' war was the Boer war? hmmmm Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net "I killed him dead cuz he was stepping on my turf, cutting me out of my bling the same way my ho cuts cookies, officer" "Alright then, move along" - Ian Darling, The Lounge, Oct 10 2003
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Rob Manderson wrote: Actually, that is an US/UK-only celebration ummm and Australia. Not sure about New Zealand but i'd be very very surprised if it wasn't. Down-under, South Africa.. Ok, the Anglo-Saxon-world, then. :-D But that is still not the 'western world' as Michael wrote. ;P
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jhwurmbach wrote: the Anglo-Saxon-world I'd imagine the French also know about Armistice day :) More correctly, I'd hazard a guess that Armistice day is noticed in those countries who were on the side that didn't lose the war. Other countries (Russia for example) probably wouldn't notice because the date had no significance at the time. Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net "I killed him dead cuz he was stepping on my turf, cutting me out of my bling the same way my ho cuts cookies, officer" "Alright then, move along" - Ian Darling, The Lounge, Oct 10 2003
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I didn't know SA also observed Remembrance Day*. Paul Watson wrote: Alas, seems to have faded in recent years Yup. When I was a kid (early 1960's) I can recall almost everyone at least pausing for a moment at 11 AM on November 11th. It persisted into the early 1970's where I worked. Then it just seemed to fade away. Which, to be honest, doesn't strike me as all that bad. How long do we go on noticing one or two dates whilst ignoring the others? Oct 3/4 for example. Or the other September 11th? April 30th? On the other hand, given that one could pick a tragedy for every day of the year, maybe it's protective parochialism at work. One could easily get unwontedly morbid commemorating every tragedy... *Could the fact that SA's observance of Remembrance Day is ignored in Australia be due to the fact that Australia's first involvement in a 'foreign' war was the Boer war? hmmmm Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net "I killed him dead cuz he was stepping on my turf, cutting me out of my bling the same way my ho cuts cookies, officer" "Alright then, move along" - Ian Darling, The Lounge, Oct 10 2003
>*Could the fact that SA's observance of Remembrance Day is ignored in Australia be due to the fact that Australia's first involvement in a 'foreign' war was the Boer war? hmmmm I did not even know that fact. I thought Australia/South Africa antipathy was reserved for the sports field with otherwise cordial, even comradery, relations in other areas. Certainly the Aussies I have met in London enjoy having us Saffas around at parties and digs. The whole antipodean thing seems a good bond between Kiwis, Aussies and Saffas when abroad. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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jhwurmbach wrote: the Anglo-Saxon-world I'd imagine the French also know about Armistice day :) More correctly, I'd hazard a guess that Armistice day is noticed in those countries who were on the side that didn't lose the war. Other countries (Russia for example) probably wouldn't notice because the date had no significance at the time. Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net "I killed him dead cuz he was stepping on my turf, cutting me out of my bling the same way my ho cuts cookies, officer" "Alright then, move along" - Ian Darling, The Lounge, Oct 10 2003
Rob Manderson wrote: I'd imagine the French also know about Armistice day Indeed they do... it is a bank holiday in France... so don't you go thinking the French are not grateful for the foreign soldiers that came and died on our soil for our freedom... They simply do what they are best at: resting! OK not me but I have been delocalised to the "perfide Albion" aka the UK!
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11th November is the day that the western countries remember those who died in the wars man has fought. (Especially WWI and WWII) It is very important that we remember the sacrifice these men and women made to protect our freedom. In the UK a one-minutes silence is held at 11am. This year is especially important as we currently have men and women dying fighting for a cause in a foreign field. Michael 'Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.' - The Doctor: The Wheel in Space
Michael P Butler wrote: It is very important that we remember the sacrifice these men and women made to protect our freedom. Yes and I will say my thank you to all who have served and sacraficed to protect our collective freedoms. :rose: Michael P Butler wrote: 11th November is the day that the western countries remember those who died in the wars man has fought. Now here in the US it is definitly to all who have served. We also have Memorial day which is dedicated only to those who died. "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
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>This year is especially important as we currently have men and women dying fighting for a cause in a foreign field. And what have we learnt from them, our men under the poppy fields? Not much it seems. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: And what have we learnt from them, our men under the poppy fields? Not much it seems. I have to agree with Michael. We have learned that the price of freedom is high. What we have not learned is that we can not just sit back and ignore events by evil elements of society that may not directly impact our day to day lives. They will eventually grow into something that will impact us if not destroy us. Mankind has an evil element or it may be fairer to just say lazy (it is easier to steal than work.) We as a world people must be willing to make day to day sacrafices ourselves so we do not support these elements. Those elements are everything from local gangs to internation terrorist organizations and corrupt governments to corporations that put ethics and right behind profit. :sigh: Mankind loves power (often in the form of wealth.) How often have you purchased something because outlet A was a better price than B. Even though you knew (or ignored) that outlet A was using people in deplorable conditions to achieve their market position. How many of us have said one voice does not make a difference. Everything starts with one. Ok, enough of my rant. My thanks to all men of all nations who have served and sacraficed for the betterment of mankind. My special thanks to those in my nation who serve, knowing that mankind is better off for it. My prayers to all my country men and allies who have given their lives. :rose: "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
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Paul Watson wrote: And what have we learnt from them, our men under the poppy fields? Not much it seems. I have to agree with Michael. We have learned that the price of freedom is high. What we have not learned is that we can not just sit back and ignore events by evil elements of society that may not directly impact our day to day lives. They will eventually grow into something that will impact us if not destroy us. Mankind has an evil element or it may be fairer to just say lazy (it is easier to steal than work.) We as a world people must be willing to make day to day sacrafices ourselves so we do not support these elements. Those elements are everything from local gangs to internation terrorist organizations and corrupt governments to corporations that put ethics and right behind profit. :sigh: Mankind loves power (often in the form of wealth.) How often have you purchased something because outlet A was a better price than B. Even though you knew (or ignored) that outlet A was using people in deplorable conditions to achieve their market position. How many of us have said one voice does not make a difference. Everything starts with one. Ok, enough of my rant. My thanks to all men of all nations who have served and sacraficed for the betterment of mankind. My special thanks to those in my nation who serve, knowing that mankind is better off for it. My prayers to all my country men and allies who have given their lives. :rose: "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
Indeed I agree, the price of freedom is high. It is more the mistakes and misunderstanding between nations that should be allies that I am angry about. e.g. America and France. In that area we don't seem to have learnt much. All petty squables and bruised egos getting in the way of that freedom. Individuals are playing pathetic power games which are ruining chances of better efficiency and effectiveness. Inciting their people to stupid hatreds of others (Freedom Fries? For god's sake people, you have Osama, Saddam and Arafat to fight, not cheese, fried potato strips and wine). Be far more effective as one voice behind those fighting men and women than childish nations squabbling over who dissed who. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Indeed I agree, the price of freedom is high. It is more the mistakes and misunderstanding between nations that should be allies that I am angry about. e.g. America and France. In that area we don't seem to have learnt much. All petty squables and bruised egos getting in the way of that freedom. Individuals are playing pathetic power games which are ruining chances of better efficiency and effectiveness. Inciting their people to stupid hatreds of others (Freedom Fries? For god's sake people, you have Osama, Saddam and Arafat to fight, not cheese, fried potato strips and wine). Be far more effective as one voice behind those fighting men and women than childish nations squabbling over who dissed who. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Individuals are playing pathetic power games I do feel that is the common denominator here. Power and the political postureing for ones self vs mankind. Paul Watson wrote: It is more the mistakes and misunderstanding between nations that should be allies that I am angry about. Understood, just not the right day for us to be angry. :rose: "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
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11th November is the day that the western countries remember those who died in the wars man has fought. (Especially WWI and WWII) It is very important that we remember the sacrifice these men and women made to protect our freedom. In the UK a one-minutes silence is held at 11am. This year is especially important as we currently have men and women dying fighting for a cause in a foreign field. Michael 'Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.' - The Doctor: The Wheel in Space
Michael P Butler wrote: It is very important that we remember the sacrifice these men and women made to protect our freedom It is more important to realise that mankind has learned nothing in thousands of years. Freedom could be for free, if enough people wanted it. The greatest dictator is nothing but an old weirdo, as long as he hasn't got an army. An Army is made of people, not of weapons or leaders. The only reason for "The price of freedom" being so high is the fact that lots of people are not interested in freedom. These people follow guys who call themselves politicians or priests, and some of them really believe what their masters tell them. We could save these people (and ourselves!) by showing them a better way of living, so that they don't need to hate the rest of the world anymore. We could give them alternatives, and let them leave their master behind. You can't defeat hate by destruction. What the world needs is education. Only the soft power of knowledge is able to drive aggression and fanatism out of people's heads. Spreading wars all over arabia and africa leads to even more misery, and that leads to more hate against the rich western countries. Everybody should know this from the school yard: You want your fellow-kid to leave you alone, so you kick him. Seems to be so easy. But tomorrow he kicks you twice for it. Ouch. Giving him a few of your candies wouldt have done better. Maybe politicians are too old for ruling the world... :( :rose:
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Paul Watson wrote: Individuals are playing pathetic power games I do feel that is the common denominator here. Power and the political postureing for ones self vs mankind. Paul Watson wrote: It is more the mistakes and misunderstanding between nations that should be allies that I am angry about. Understood, just not the right day for us to be angry. :rose: "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
>Understood, just not the right day for us to be angry. :) true, my apologies. Just frustrating you know, being young and idealistic. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Bob looks real sad up there. :(
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It's the day that I say a prayer for my father, my father-in-law (whom I never met) and all of the men and women of several generations before me, all of whom had the presence of mind to recognize evil and the strength of will to eliminate it. Our world today is a much better place because of their collective actions. Thanks Dad. Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin I can't help getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Roger Wright
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Michael P Butler wrote: 11th November is the day that the western countries remember those who died in the wars man has fought Actually, that is an US/UK-only celebration. Here, we are celebrating the start of the 'carnival'-season. Men with funny hats telling old (and nasty! - thats important) jokes and so on. Especially the people in the south west seem to like this. So much for international holidays....
Who is 'General Failure'? And why is he reading my harddisk?!?
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Indeed I agree, the price of freedom is high. It is more the mistakes and misunderstanding between nations that should be allies that I am angry about. e.g. America and France. In that area we don't seem to have learnt much. All petty squables and bruised egos getting in the way of that freedom. Individuals are playing pathetic power games which are ruining chances of better efficiency and effectiveness. Inciting their people to stupid hatreds of others (Freedom Fries? For god's sake people, you have Osama, Saddam and Arafat to fight, not cheese, fried potato strips and wine). Be far more effective as one voice behind those fighting men and women than childish nations squabbling over who dissed who. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Osama, Saddam and Arafat to fight, not cheese, fried potato strips and wine :-D But the latter is much easier than the former! By picking a fight you are sure to win, you get yourself the much needed ego boost (albeit through some sort of a loophole)
Who is 'General Failure'? And why is he reading my harddisk?!?
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Paul Watson wrote: Osama, Saddam and Arafat to fight, not cheese, fried potato strips and wine :-D But the latter is much easier than the former! By picking a fight you are sure to win, you get yourself the much needed ego boost (albeit through some sort of a loophole)
Who is 'General Failure'? And why is he reading my harddisk?!?
I don't know about potatos (seeing as the States has Idaho) but France whoops American arse in cheese and wine production. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?
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I don't know about potatos (seeing as the States has Idaho) but France whoops American arse in cheese and wine production. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: "Cynicism has it's place in life - but it should be kept well away from your inner self." Crikey! ain't life grand?