A surprising confession
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lol :-D A few years back (like about 10!) I was given a Fosters t-shirt in my local pub. By the time we left it carried the moto: "Sod Fosters, I'm Drinkin' the Dog" (if you don't know, "The Dog" is slang for Newcastle Brown Ale. I went to too many Dumpy's Rusty Nuts concerts in my youth I suspect... X| ) Anna :rose:
I'm Drinkin' the Dog ... if you don't know, "The Dog" is slang for Newcastle Brown Ale I'm glad you cleared that one up... I was envisioning John and his goat. :eek:
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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I agree with Josh, you didn't need to bring this up. Nobody realy cares about your sexual orientations ! Apart from you it seems. This lounge is my social life, (See I've got problems too, but I don't go around talking about them) Regardz Colin J Davies
I think that analogy doesn't work here. "Anna" said she was testing the water, i.e. checking to see the reactions of people she felt able to talk to. That is a rare occurance, so don't knock it. You may need something similar one day... Anyway, taking it to any of the dedicated transvestite sites would not give her a fair sample. P.S. I hope Anna doesn't mind me calling her "she", it just came naturally due to the name.
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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Although I've been visiting this site for a while, I'm posting this under my "inner" rather than my birth name, for reasons which should become obvious. :-O Some of you may be offended or shocked by what I have to say, and if so you have my sincerest apologies. That is not my intention. To quote Paul Watson a couple of days ago in the Programmers and Atheists thread: Actually, and this is an OLD joke: I am a Lesbian trapped in a mans body. :laugh: Seeing this prompted me to sound you all out on something which I have to face. I guess I'm testing the water to see what reaction I get when I finally tell people about it! You see, for some people (including myself) it's not just a joke, but a reality, and a very painful one at that. I should explain that physically I'm male, but my mind is most definately female (I've always known this but recently took several psychological tests which confirmed it). Since I'm attracted to women rather than men, that places me squarely inside the bounds of the joke! It's just as well that I can laugh at myself... ;P If you met me you would probably never know who I truly was unless I wanted you to (my mannerisms are not effeminate, although I do get very emotional). Over the years I've grown very adept at concealing my true self - mainly for fear of what would happen if people found out. The condition which causes this is called Gender Dysphoria. It affects both biological males and females at a rate (I'm told) of roughly one per 1000 of the population, and is thought to be caused by a birth defect in which the brain develops as one physical sex, and the body another (read up on fetal development; it's all there). The end result is an individual whose Gender (mental self image) is the opposite of their physical sex. As you can imagine, this is acutely painful, not to mention embarassing for those concerned (society isn't at all tolerant of those who cross the gender divide). It's taken me years to finally get to the point of admitting to others how I feel, and ask for help in dealing with it (I started talking about 6 weeks ago, and finally told my partner a fortnight ago. Right now I'm about to start counselling). Where I go from here, only time will tell. I have a choice of either living with the constant pain I feel right now for the rest of my life (psychiatric treatment doesn't have a history of success with this condition), or undertaking a long, difficult (and expensive) journey to attempt to make my body match
Goodness, the stuff you guys and gals talk about when I'm asleep..... Anna ( no, I'm not going to guess ), I must admit it sounds a contradiction to me that you are attracted to women *and* want to be one. I'd like to have a womans body too: I often tell my wife if I did, I would never leave the house. However, if you say you've had counselling, then one would presume this ( rather unusual ) condition is quite real. I guess my point is that if you go ahead with your operation, you have to face the fact that your situtation is unusual enough that it's likely to define the rest of your life. However, if this is who you are, then I suspect you won't be happy unless you pursue it. My personal lifes philosophy is summed up in two words: get stuffed. This is my heartfelt message to anyone who does not accept me for who I am. I suggest you adopt it, you'll probably need it. And as has been said already, no matter what you do with your life, your real friends are the ones who will stick by you, and the rest don't matter. Is it just me, or do we all know each other so well now that we seem comfortable discussing all manner of private things with each other. Someone else said it and I agree - this place has become a large part of my social life too. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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I think that analogy doesn't work here. "Anna" said she was testing the water, i.e. checking to see the reactions of people she felt able to talk to. That is a rare occurance, so don't knock it. You may need something similar one day... Anyway, taking it to any of the dedicated transvestite sites would not give her a fair sample. P.S. I hope Anna doesn't mind me calling her "she", it just came naturally due to the name.
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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Although I've been visiting this site for a while, I'm posting this under my "inner" rather than my birth name, for reasons which should become obvious. :-O Some of you may be offended or shocked by what I have to say, and if so you have my sincerest apologies. That is not my intention. To quote Paul Watson a couple of days ago in the Programmers and Atheists thread: Actually, and this is an OLD joke: I am a Lesbian trapped in a mans body. :laugh: Seeing this prompted me to sound you all out on something which I have to face. I guess I'm testing the water to see what reaction I get when I finally tell people about it! You see, for some people (including myself) it's not just a joke, but a reality, and a very painful one at that. I should explain that physically I'm male, but my mind is most definately female (I've always known this but recently took several psychological tests which confirmed it). Since I'm attracted to women rather than men, that places me squarely inside the bounds of the joke! It's just as well that I can laugh at myself... ;P If you met me you would probably never know who I truly was unless I wanted you to (my mannerisms are not effeminate, although I do get very emotional). Over the years I've grown very adept at concealing my true self - mainly for fear of what would happen if people found out. The condition which causes this is called Gender Dysphoria. It affects both biological males and females at a rate (I'm told) of roughly one per 1000 of the population, and is thought to be caused by a birth defect in which the brain develops as one physical sex, and the body another (read up on fetal development; it's all there). The end result is an individual whose Gender (mental self image) is the opposite of their physical sex. As you can imagine, this is acutely painful, not to mention embarassing for those concerned (society isn't at all tolerant of those who cross the gender divide). It's taken me years to finally get to the point of admitting to others how I feel, and ask for help in dealing with it (I started talking about 6 weeks ago, and finally told my partner a fortnight ago. Right now I'm about to start counselling). Where I go from here, only time will tell. I have a choice of either living with the constant pain I feel right now for the rest of my life (psychiatric treatment doesn't have a history of success with this condition), or undertaking a long, difficult (and expensive) journey to attempt to make my body match
It takes great courage to do what you're doing. I tip my virtual hat to you. (I'm not sure which hat that is, since i wear so many of them around here) I'm curious about something though, and I hope I'm not being too personal. But please explain this "pain" you are talking about and how it is that you "suffer". Are you talking about not "fitting in"? Or is it something deeper? It seems to me that it shouldn't matter what physical sex you are, if society is understanding enough. I mean, There are likely a lot of lesbians that would give their.. well. something... for the physical equipment you posess. In fact, many believe that the majority of "gender traits" are learned behavior, rather than genetic (I said majority, not all.) Why is it so important to you to physically "be a woman"? -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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Goodness, the stuff you guys and gals talk about when I'm asleep..... Anna ( no, I'm not going to guess ), I must admit it sounds a contradiction to me that you are attracted to women *and* want to be one. I'd like to have a womans body too: I often tell my wife if I did, I would never leave the house. However, if you say you've had counselling, then one would presume this ( rather unusual ) condition is quite real. I guess my point is that if you go ahead with your operation, you have to face the fact that your situtation is unusual enough that it's likely to define the rest of your life. However, if this is who you are, then I suspect you won't be happy unless you pursue it. My personal lifes philosophy is summed up in two words: get stuffed. This is my heartfelt message to anyone who does not accept me for who I am. I suggest you adopt it, you'll probably need it. And as has been said already, no matter what you do with your life, your real friends are the ones who will stick by you, and the rest don't matter. Is it just me, or do we all know each other so well now that we seem comfortable discussing all manner of private things with each other. Someone else said it and I agree - this place has become a large part of my social life too. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
Thank you Christian! Your support is very much appreciated. Although I am a very emotional person I can and will fight my corner when I have too. I just keep my claws for those who deserve them! I'll be OK, but I don't kid myself. It will be painful, whatever I do. Is it just me, or do we all know each other so well now that we seem comfortable discussing all manner of private things with each other. Someone else said it and I agree - this place has become a large part of my social life too. I know the feeling! I peek in here at all hours of the day to see what I've missed. And I really do feel like I know so many of the "regulars" here. Pity there isn't a CodeProject Bar (now there's an idea - CP Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters... X| )
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This is too freakin weird of a topic to be discussed here. I agree whole heartedly with you John. (I don't often) I come to this lounge to put my feet up, open a beer,Listen to music, and relax, as well as talk crap. Regardz Colin J Davies
If you read my other posts you'll see why I've brought this up. I'm not trying to make you feel uncomfortable, just to find out your opinions. However, if you prefer I can talk crap. I could for example say... Fosters is the best beer ever!" (apologies to Dave) ...or would that be just too much? ;) Anna :rose:
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If you read my other posts you'll see why I've brought this up. I'm not trying to make you feel uncomfortable, just to find out your opinions. However, if you prefer I can talk crap. I could for example say... Fosters is the best beer ever!" (apologies to Dave) ...or would that be just too much? ;) Anna :rose:
just to find out your opinions. well there you go, you have found out my opinion, I'm not interested ( That could also read I'm not bothered ) If you have ever investigated id philosophy You'd realise that we have 3 identities Child,Parent,Adult. I find your whole line to Adult for me, And when I enter this lounge I act out my Child id eg have fun, I don't wish to face serious/real issues Fosters is the best beer ever!" Now that is a crap statement, Do you have any proof ? :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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I think that analogy doesn't work here. "Anna" said she was testing the water, i.e. checking to see the reactions of people she felt able to talk to. That is a rare occurance, so don't knock it. You may need something similar one day... Anyway, taking it to any of the dedicated transvestite sites would not give her a fair sample. P.S. I hope Anna doesn't mind me calling her "she", it just came naturally due to the name.
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
David, you really are a New Age Sensitive Guy, Aren't you ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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It takes great courage to do what you're doing. I tip my virtual hat to you. (I'm not sure which hat that is, since i wear so many of them around here) I'm curious about something though, and I hope I'm not being too personal. But please explain this "pain" you are talking about and how it is that you "suffer". Are you talking about not "fitting in"? Or is it something deeper? It seems to me that it shouldn't matter what physical sex you are, if society is understanding enough. I mean, There are likely a lot of lesbians that would give their.. well. something... for the physical equipment you posess. In fact, many believe that the majority of "gender traits" are learned behavior, rather than genetic (I said majority, not all.) Why is it so important to you to physically "be a woman"? -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
Thanks Erik. And really, any hat you like is just fine. :) I'm curious about something though, and I hope I'm not being too personal. But please explain this "pain" you are talking about and how it is that you "suffer". Are you talking about not "fitting in"? Or is it something deeper? The pain is an emotional one. Imagine going through your whole life knowing that you were living a lie. Every time I look at myself in a mirror I'm reminded of how wrong my body is...and how nobody can truly know me, as they can't see my true self. That pain - and the yearning to correct it - can be indescribably bad. Unless you are really strong, it can take over your whole being. I read recently that some 50% of transsexuals are dead (many by suicide) before they reach 30. Having felt that pain, I can well believe it. It seems to me that it shouldn't matter what physical sex you are, if society is understanding enough. I mean, There are likely a lot of lesbians that would give their.. well. something... for the physical equipment you posess. In fact, many believe that the majority of "gender traits" are learned behavior, rather than genetic (I said majority, not all.) Current theories suggest that the sex of the mind (i.e. your gender or self image) is predetermined in much the same way that physical sex is - by hormone triggered development during pregnancy. When that process goes wrong, you can end up with a female brain in a male body or vice-versa. Why is it so important to you to physically "be a woman"? I think I've already answered that. My Gender is female, and I don't think I could change that. I can however change my sex to match my gender - that's just plumbing :) Even if I could do so, to change my gender would be to deny who I was and become someone else. I'm not at all sure I'd want to do that. Anna :rose:
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just to find out your opinions. well there you go, you have found out my opinion, I'm not interested ( That could also read I'm not bothered ) If you have ever investigated id philosophy You'd realise that we have 3 identities Child,Parent,Adult. I find your whole line to Adult for me, And when I enter this lounge I act out my Child id eg have fun, I don't wish to face serious/real issues Fosters is the best beer ever!" Now that is a crap statement, Do you have any proof ? :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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Goodness, the stuff you guys and gals talk about when I'm asleep..... Anna ( no, I'm not going to guess ), I must admit it sounds a contradiction to me that you are attracted to women *and* want to be one. I'd like to have a womans body too: I often tell my wife if I did, I would never leave the house. However, if you say you've had counselling, then one would presume this ( rather unusual ) condition is quite real. I guess my point is that if you go ahead with your operation, you have to face the fact that your situtation is unusual enough that it's likely to define the rest of your life. However, if this is who you are, then I suspect you won't be happy unless you pursue it. My personal lifes philosophy is summed up in two words: get stuffed. This is my heartfelt message to anyone who does not accept me for who I am. I suggest you adopt it, you'll probably need it. And as has been said already, no matter what you do with your life, your real friends are the ones who will stick by you, and the rest don't matter. Is it just me, or do we all know each other so well now that we seem comfortable discussing all manner of private things with each other. Someone else said it and I agree - this place has become a large part of my social life too. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
Someone else said it and I agree - this place has become a large part of my social life too. Here here, I'll second that (or I guess it would be third, wouldn't it?). Jon Sagara Sagara Software
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I'm Drinkin' the Dog ... if you don't know, "The Dog" is slang for Newcastle Brown Ale I'm glad you cleared that one up... I was envisioning John and his goat. :eek:
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David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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Wow, I'm outta here! Great. See ya. Isn't there already enough intolerance in the world? Look around you. Buildings are falling. Those who aren't starving to death or having limbs blown off by land mines are being carpet-bombed. Time to grow up a little. What this world needs is less intolerance, less hatred towards that which they don't understand, and more effort on our parts to try to understand things outside our own little worlds. Can you picture a world without hate? My first child will be born in a few months, and I really don't want them to know that people like you exist. Good day. J
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Goodness, the stuff you guys and gals talk about when I'm asleep..... Anna ( no, I'm not going to guess ), I must admit it sounds a contradiction to me that you are attracted to women *and* want to be one. I'd like to have a womans body too: I often tell my wife if I did, I would never leave the house. However, if you say you've had counselling, then one would presume this ( rather unusual ) condition is quite real. I guess my point is that if you go ahead with your operation, you have to face the fact that your situtation is unusual enough that it's likely to define the rest of your life. However, if this is who you are, then I suspect you won't be happy unless you pursue it. My personal lifes philosophy is summed up in two words: get stuffed. This is my heartfelt message to anyone who does not accept me for who I am. I suggest you adopt it, you'll probably need it. And as has been said already, no matter what you do with your life, your real friends are the ones who will stick by you, and the rest don't matter. Is it just me, or do we all know each other so well now that we seem comfortable discussing all manner of private things with each other. Someone else said it and I agree - this place has become a large part of my social life too. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
Are you guys really interested in hearing about my hemmeroid condition? You could probably play tennis with mine... I think we need to hear from David next, so he can discuss his un-natural facination with Bruce. To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
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It takes great courage to do what you're doing. I tip my virtual hat to you. (I'm not sure which hat that is, since i wear so many of them around here) I'm curious about something though, and I hope I'm not being too personal. But please explain this "pain" you are talking about and how it is that you "suffer". Are you talking about not "fitting in"? Or is it something deeper? It seems to me that it shouldn't matter what physical sex you are, if society is understanding enough. I mean, There are likely a lot of lesbians that would give their.. well. something... for the physical equipment you posess. In fact, many believe that the majority of "gender traits" are learned behavior, rather than genetic (I said majority, not all.) Why is it so important to you to physically "be a woman"? -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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Are you guys really interested in hearing about my hemmeroid condition? You could probably play tennis with mine... I think we need to hear from David next, so he can discuss his un-natural facination with Bruce. To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
Sure John, cmon and 'share' with us. Did you see Fletch Lives ? A hilarious scene where a 'faith healer' on US TV is getting prompted by an ear plug and pretends to know what is wrong with people. Some guy has haemorrhoids ( and yes, I did bring this up just to correct your spelling ) and Fletch tells the healer guy he has a gambling problem. So the guy says 'show us your problem', with obvious results. Please don't update your webpage under the inspiration of my comments... Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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Sure John, cmon and 'share' with us. Did you see Fletch Lives ? A hilarious scene where a 'faith healer' on US TV is getting prompted by an ear plug and pretends to know what is wrong with people. Some guy has haemorrhoids ( and yes, I did bring this up just to correct your spelling ) and Fletch tells the healer guy he has a gambling problem. So the guy says 'show us your problem', with obvious results. Please don't update your webpage under the inspiration of my comments... Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
haemorrhoids ( and yes, I did bring this up just to correct your spelling ) from Webster's online dictionary Main Entry: hem·or·rhoid Pronunciation: 'hem-"roid, 'he-m&- Function: noun Etymology: Middle English emeroides, plural, from Middle French hemorrhoides, from Latin haemorrhoidae, from Greek haimorrhoides, from haimorrhoos flowing with blood, from haimo- hem- + rhein to flow -- more at STREAM Date: 14th century : a mass of dilated veins in swollen tissue at the margin of the anus or nearby within the rectum -- usually used in plural; called also piles :(( :(( :(( Mike Mullikin "Real programmers don't document their code. It was hard to write - it should be hard to read!"
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haemorrhoids ( and yes, I did bring this up just to correct your spelling ) from Webster's online dictionary Main Entry: hem·or·rhoid Pronunciation: 'hem-"roid, 'he-m&- Function: noun Etymology: Middle English emeroides, plural, from Middle French hemorrhoides, from Latin haemorrhoidae, from Greek haimorrhoides, from haimorrhoos flowing with blood, from haimo- hem- + rhein to flow -- more at STREAM Date: 14th century : a mass of dilated veins in swollen tissue at the margin of the anus or nearby within the rectum -- usually used in plural; called also piles :(( :(( :(( Mike Mullikin "Real programmers don't document their code. It was hard to write - it should be hard to read!"
I got my spelling from Chambers English Dictionary, and the two medical books in the house confirm it. Is Websters an American dictionary ? Everyone knows those things are wrong - they contain words like color. How can you trust the thoughts on language of anyone who thinks Z rhymes with tree ? Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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Thanks Erik. And really, any hat you like is just fine. :) I'm curious about something though, and I hope I'm not being too personal. But please explain this "pain" you are talking about and how it is that you "suffer". Are you talking about not "fitting in"? Or is it something deeper? The pain is an emotional one. Imagine going through your whole life knowing that you were living a lie. Every time I look at myself in a mirror I'm reminded of how wrong my body is...and how nobody can truly know me, as they can't see my true self. That pain - and the yearning to correct it - can be indescribably bad. Unless you are really strong, it can take over your whole being. I read recently that some 50% of transsexuals are dead (many by suicide) before they reach 30. Having felt that pain, I can well believe it. It seems to me that it shouldn't matter what physical sex you are, if society is understanding enough. I mean, There are likely a lot of lesbians that would give their.. well. something... for the physical equipment you posess. In fact, many believe that the majority of "gender traits" are learned behavior, rather than genetic (I said majority, not all.) Current theories suggest that the sex of the mind (i.e. your gender or self image) is predetermined in much the same way that physical sex is - by hormone triggered development during pregnancy. When that process goes wrong, you can end up with a female brain in a male body or vice-versa. Why is it so important to you to physically "be a woman"? I think I've already answered that. My Gender is female, and I don't think I could change that. I can however change my sex to match my gender - that's just plumbing :) Even if I could do so, to change my gender would be to deny who I was and become someone else. I'm not at all sure I'd want to do that. Anna :rose:
I'm sorry. I'm sure many will call me insensitive. I'm sure many will call me closed minded. But I just don't buy it. Sure, I buy you have the condition you claim to have. It makes sense. What I don't buy is this "pain and suffering". What this boils down to is, you don't like the way you look. Guess what? Few people do! My inner "self image" shows me as a someone looking like brad pitt, but that's not what I look like. Should I be in pain and suffering because my body doesn't match my self image? No, I deal with it and I get on with life. This is just a side-effect of the whole Generation X-Y-Z-(wonder what comes next?) self-pity trip. I've noticed this a lot with people my age and younger. We've been raised by our parents and hippy-wannabe teachers and guidance counselors to over-inflate our self-worth to the universe. We've been raised to think we're special, unique little snowflakes that make the world a better place. And when the world is *NOT* a better place, we place the blame on ourselves. We feel guilty and this leads to self-pity. Pretty soon it becomes a habit, and we enjoy the feeling and consider ourselves martyrs of a sort. This is what fuels many so-called "goths" and "punks" (goths are depressed punks with (slightly) better fashion sense) and many other so-called social outcasts. Ok, so i've wandered way off topic here. I'm not trying to oppress you, or hate you, or call you names. What I am saying, is that life sucks in general and the only way you're going to survive is to deal with it. Getting an operation won't change anything. Your problems are much deeper than just what you look like, or you would be able to deal with it much better. Just think about it. Think about what I said objectively for 5 minutes... if you still think i'm a narrow minded bigot, fine. I can deal with that. Just consider what I've said, and think about it. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
