Al-Queda with nukes?
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People still have a choice. You can't force religion on people.
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
Jason Henderson
blogJason Henderson wrote: People still have a choice. You can't force religion on people. sure i NEVER try to force religion .. I just can't bear that someone tells that religions are just some foolishness. agree ?
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Do you seriously believe he said this was a war against Islam? He may have called the war against terrorism a "crusade", but you need to consider the many english definition of the word crusade. Here's what he meant:
A vigorous concerted movement for a cause or against an abuse.
Now does that sound like a call to war against Islam? He's not saying we need to take over the holy land. BTW, most sane Christians aren't tied to a holy land.
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
Jason Henderson
blog"crusade" this is the word i wanted to use.. sorry for bad english :) we uslims , arabs :define crusade wars as : the wars happend 1000 years ago between muslims and europe in palestine (the holly land) We believe that bush ment this.. I have to go .. Jason i'll be happy to continue this conversataion later :)
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Jason Henderson wrote: People still have a choice. You can't force religion on people. sure i NEVER try to force religion .. I just can't bear that someone tells that religions are just some foolishness. agree ?
Of course I agree, but we need to respect the opinions of other people. Why is christianity or any other religion besides islam illegal in some middle eastern countries?
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
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Jason Henderson wrote: People still have a choice. You can't force religion on people. sure i NEVER try to force religion .. I just can't bear that someone tells that religions are just some foolishness. agree ?
hspc wrote: I just can't bear that someone tells that religions are just some foolishness. To quote you again, from a message you posted above "sure I didn't post this for real idiots that don't believe any religion ,, thinking that they live to eat,drink,have sex,," Now say what you just said again. :| Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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this is a reply to your edit : Rohit Sinha wrote: And supposing there is another life after the after death life, should we then give up all happiness in that other life, so we can make the best of the next one, and so on? When does it end? And why should we not make the best of this life, which we are living? sure we are not asked to give up the happiness in our current life.. just regulate it ,, eat .. not too much also fast. have sex .. with your wife .. not with prostitutes. drink .. there are many drinks other than alcohols. enjoy your life in the corrct way..never forget the Greatest happiness .. don't lose it
Hey, why can't I enjoy as much as I want, and in whatever way I want? Who's got the right to tell me what I can/should do and what I can't/shoudn't? Bah! What a load of crap. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons for being religious, but this has to be the crappiest one. Anyway, this is not going to lead anywhere, so what say we end this discussion here, and not hijack the original post? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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"crusade" this is the word i wanted to use.. sorry for bad english :) we uslims , arabs :define crusade wars as : the wars happend 1000 years ago between muslims and europe in palestine (the holly land) We believe that bush ment this.. I have to go .. Jason i'll be happy to continue this conversataion later :)
hspc wrote: We believe that bush ment this.. I'm telling you otherwise, and maybe you should tell your friends that there are other meanings to the word. hspc wrote: I have to go .. Jason i'll be happy to continue this conversataion later absolutely
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
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hspc wrote: I just can't bear that someone tells that religions are just some foolishness. To quote you again, from a message you posted above "sure I didn't post this for real idiots that don't believe any religion ,, thinking that they live to eat,drink,have sex,," Now say what you just said again. :| Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
So his opinion that agnostics and atheists are idiots means that he's forcing his religion on people? I think not! A lot of people - like you - have opinions about those of us that believe in God (Ala, Great Spirit, whatever you call him) and that doesn't mean you're forcing you lack of religion on us, right? It goes both ways.
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So his opinion that agnostics and atheists are idiots means that he's forcing his religion on people? I think not! A lot of people - like you - have opinions about those of us that believe in God (Ala, Great Spirit, whatever you call him) and that doesn't mean you're forcing you lack of religion on us, right? It goes both ways.
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Heath Stewart wrote: So his opinion that agnostics and atheists are idiots means that he's forcing his religion on people? Not his opinion. But when he expresses it in a public forum, yes he's forcing his religion on people. By implying that non believers are idiots, he's putting psychological pressure on people to follow a religion. Whatever religion. I'm not talking about specifics here. Having an opinion and expressing it are two different things. And for the record, I don't think religious people are idiots. Just like I don't think people who like the red colour are idiots. It's a matter of personal choice. As long as they don't force it on me, or nag me, I don't even think about it. I don't pass judgement on other people's personal matters, nor do I invade anyone's personal space. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Heath Stewart wrote: So his opinion that agnostics and atheists are idiots means that he's forcing his religion on people? Not his opinion. But when he expresses it in a public forum, yes he's forcing his religion on people. By implying that non believers are idiots, he's putting psychological pressure on people to follow a religion. Whatever religion. I'm not talking about specifics here. Having an opinion and expressing it are two different things. And for the record, I don't think religious people are idiots. Just like I don't think people who like the red colour are idiots. It's a matter of personal choice. As long as they don't force it on me, or nag me, I don't even think about it. I don't pass judgement on other people's personal matters, nor do I invade anyone's personal space. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Oh, cut the liberal BS. People all over express their opinions in public "forums". Hollywood-types like fat-ol' Rosie think they're opinions matter more than other's when it comes to presendential elections. It happens all over and comes from all sorts of people with all sorts of religious beliefs and for all sorts of issues. People can make up their own mind if they are impressionable enough not to (and I don't believe age has anything to do with past the very, very young years when parents must imprint behavior in children - but they don't understand most of what I'm talking about like politics), then they shouldn't be out in public. What you said is just more liberal propoganda.
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Eco Jones wrote: Basically, a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion and completely f*** it up for everyone. sure I didn't post this for real idiots that don't believe any religion ,, thinking that they live to eat,drink,have sex,,
Oooooh! So you are calling me a real idiot for not bending over for your precious little Allah? Yes, little. LITTLE LITTLE LITTLE! PUNY! -- I use public toilets and piss on the seat. I walk around in the summertime saying, "How about this heat?" I'm an asshole!
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Oh, cut the liberal BS. People all over express their opinions in public "forums". Hollywood-types like fat-ol' Rosie think they're opinions matter more than other's when it comes to presendential elections. It happens all over and comes from all sorts of people with all sorts of religious beliefs and for all sorts of issues. People can make up their own mind if they are impressionable enough not to (and I don't believe age has anything to do with past the very, very young years when parents must imprint behavior in children - but they don't understand most of what I'm talking about like politics), then they shouldn't be out in public. What you said is just more liberal propoganda.
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LOL! <> Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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hspc wrote: USA succeeded to make all this support for Al-Queda .. when Bush declared that the war in Afghanstan is a christian war.. Huh? When on earth did he do that? He has been emphasizing that this isn't a religious war. I haven't been playing his speeches backwards though. :rolleyes:
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
Jason Henderson
blogJason Henderson wrote: I haven't been playing his speeches backwards though. :laugh: I'd be very nervous if "hotel california" is heard if played in reverse.. :suss: -- I use public toilets and piss on the seat. I walk around in the summertime saying, "How about this heat?" I'm an asshole!
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hspc wrote: I wish you've got the idea though my bad English. Basically, a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion and completely fuck it up for everyone. :-D Eco
Eco Jones wrote: a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion Just why is religion a "good idea" ? Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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John M. Drescher wrote: I am very glad we have a President with the balls to tackle the problem instead of kissing ass through diplomatic relations that have obviously failed miserable. 50+% of americans will vote against him in the coming election.. wht are not they happy with him ? John M. Drescher wrote: The other thing is this is a War that was declared by the other side i don't agree ,, but anyway .. just let your Bush declare frankly that this is a foolish revenge..not (A war for democracy)
hspc wrote: 50+% of americans will vote against him in the coming election Wanna bet !!!! Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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Eco Jones wrote: a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion Just why is religion a "good idea" ? Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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John M. Drescher wrote: I am very glad we have a President with the balls to tackle the problem instead of kissing ass through diplomatic relations that have obviously failed miserable. 50+% of americans will vote against him in the coming election.. wht are not they happy with him ? John M. Drescher wrote: The other thing is this is a War that was declared by the other side i don't agree ,, but anyway .. just let your Bush declare frankly that this is a foolish revenge..not (A war for democracy)
hspc wrote: 50+% of americans will vote against him in the coming election.. Only in Democrats' wildest dreams. Bush will win by a landslide.
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Heath Stewart wrote: So his opinion that agnostics and atheists are idiots means that he's forcing his religion on people? Not his opinion. But when he expresses it in a public forum, yes he's forcing his religion on people. By implying that non believers are idiots, he's putting psychological pressure on people to follow a religion. Whatever religion. I'm not talking about specifics here. Having an opinion and expressing it are two different things. And for the record, I don't think religious people are idiots. Just like I don't think people who like the red colour are idiots. It's a matter of personal choice. As long as they don't force it on me, or nag me, I don't even think about it. I don't pass judgement on other people's personal matters, nor do I invade anyone's personal space. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Part of the joy in life is hearing the passionate pleas people make on behlaf of their beliefs (opinions). Also, if we didn't openly express our opinions, we wouldn't really understand where anyone else was "coming from" when they spoke, we would not be communicating openly. The notion that we should keep our opinions to ourselves is oppressive. What we should do is express our beliefs with much vigor, but never expect anyone to agree. Someone who is coerced by another person views either hasn't fully formed their own opinion yet, or has heard some truth that resonates, and is open to change.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
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Eco Jones wrote: a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion Just why is religion a "good idea" ? Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
Because it would suck to go through life with no framework.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
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Part of the joy in life is hearing the passionate pleas people make on behlaf of their beliefs (opinions). Also, if we didn't openly express our opinions, we wouldn't really understand where anyone else was "coming from" when they spoke, we would not be communicating openly. The notion that we should keep our opinions to ourselves is oppressive. What we should do is express our beliefs with much vigor, but never expect anyone to agree. Someone who is coerced by another person views either hasn't fully formed their own opinion yet, or has heard some truth that resonates, and is open to change.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
I don't want anyone to keep their views to themselves, Brian. Nor do I support the idea of oppressing anyone or their views. I was just pointing out something to him. His hypocrisy. By all means, discuss it, try to convince others, do what you can to help your cause. But calling someone an idiot for not adhering to your views and then later proclaiming you don't force anyone is just not done. My point was just that exerting pressure on others by using psychological tactics is forcing them too. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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"crusade" this is the word i wanted to use.. sorry for bad english :) we uslims , arabs :define crusade wars as : the wars happend 1000 years ago between muslims and europe in palestine (the holly land) We believe that bush ment this.. I have to go .. Jason i'll be happy to continue this conversataion later :)
We Kufr tend to define Jihad in much the same way. Though I belive it can also refer to a spiritual struggle, rather than a military one. It was a bloody stupid word for him to use. About as tactful as 'Operation Infinute Justice'. Tempers were a little frayed at the time though. Ryan.