Al-Queda with nukes?
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So his opinion that agnostics and atheists are idiots means that he's forcing his religion on people? I think not! A lot of people - like you - have opinions about those of us that believe in God (Ala, Great Spirit, whatever you call him) and that doesn't mean you're forcing you lack of religion on us, right? It goes both ways.
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Heath Stewart wrote: So his opinion that agnostics and atheists are idiots means that he's forcing his religion on people? Not his opinion. But when he expresses it in a public forum, yes he's forcing his religion on people. By implying that non believers are idiots, he's putting psychological pressure on people to follow a religion. Whatever religion. I'm not talking about specifics here. Having an opinion and expressing it are two different things. And for the record, I don't think religious people are idiots. Just like I don't think people who like the red colour are idiots. It's a matter of personal choice. As long as they don't force it on me, or nag me, I don't even think about it. I don't pass judgement on other people's personal matters, nor do I invade anyone's personal space. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Heath Stewart wrote: So his opinion that agnostics and atheists are idiots means that he's forcing his religion on people? Not his opinion. But when he expresses it in a public forum, yes he's forcing his religion on people. By implying that non believers are idiots, he's putting psychological pressure on people to follow a religion. Whatever religion. I'm not talking about specifics here. Having an opinion and expressing it are two different things. And for the record, I don't think religious people are idiots. Just like I don't think people who like the red colour are idiots. It's a matter of personal choice. As long as they don't force it on me, or nag me, I don't even think about it. I don't pass judgement on other people's personal matters, nor do I invade anyone's personal space. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Oh, cut the liberal BS. People all over express their opinions in public "forums". Hollywood-types like fat-ol' Rosie think they're opinions matter more than other's when it comes to presendential elections. It happens all over and comes from all sorts of people with all sorts of religious beliefs and for all sorts of issues. People can make up their own mind if they are impressionable enough not to (and I don't believe age has anything to do with past the very, very young years when parents must imprint behavior in children - but they don't understand most of what I'm talking about like politics), then they shouldn't be out in public. What you said is just more liberal propoganda.
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Eco Jones wrote: Basically, a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion and completely f*** it up for everyone. sure I didn't post this for real idiots that don't believe any religion ,, thinking that they live to eat,drink,have sex,,
Oooooh! So you are calling me a real idiot for not bending over for your precious little Allah? Yes, little. LITTLE LITTLE LITTLE! PUNY! -- I use public toilets and piss on the seat. I walk around in the summertime saying, "How about this heat?" I'm an asshole!
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Oh, cut the liberal BS. People all over express their opinions in public "forums". Hollywood-types like fat-ol' Rosie think they're opinions matter more than other's when it comes to presendential elections. It happens all over and comes from all sorts of people with all sorts of religious beliefs and for all sorts of issues. People can make up their own mind if they are impressionable enough not to (and I don't believe age has anything to do with past the very, very young years when parents must imprint behavior in children - but they don't understand most of what I'm talking about like politics), then they shouldn't be out in public. What you said is just more liberal propoganda.
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LOL! <> Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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hspc wrote: USA succeeded to make all this support for Al-Queda .. when Bush declared that the war in Afghanstan is a christian war.. Huh? When on earth did he do that? He has been emphasizing that this isn't a religious war. I haven't been playing his speeches backwards though. :rolleyes:
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
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blogJason Henderson wrote: I haven't been playing his speeches backwards though. :laugh: I'd be very nervous if "hotel california" is heard if played in reverse.. :suss: -- I use public toilets and piss on the seat. I walk around in the summertime saying, "How about this heat?" I'm an asshole!
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hspc wrote: I wish you've got the idea though my bad English. Basically, a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion and completely fuck it up for everyone. :-D Eco
Eco Jones wrote: a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion Just why is religion a "good idea" ? Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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John M. Drescher wrote: I am very glad we have a President with the balls to tackle the problem instead of kissing ass through diplomatic relations that have obviously failed miserable. 50+% of americans will vote against him in the coming election.. wht are not they happy with him ? John M. Drescher wrote: The other thing is this is a War that was declared by the other side i don't agree ,, but anyway .. just let your Bush declare frankly that this is a foolish revenge..not (A war for democracy)
hspc wrote: 50+% of americans will vote against him in the coming election Wanna bet !!!! Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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Eco Jones wrote: a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion Just why is religion a "good idea" ? Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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John M. Drescher wrote: I am very glad we have a President with the balls to tackle the problem instead of kissing ass through diplomatic relations that have obviously failed miserable. 50+% of americans will vote against him in the coming election.. wht are not they happy with him ? John M. Drescher wrote: The other thing is this is a War that was declared by the other side i don't agree ,, but anyway .. just let your Bush declare frankly that this is a foolish revenge..not (A war for democracy)
hspc wrote: 50+% of americans will vote against him in the coming election.. Only in Democrats' wildest dreams. Bush will win by a landslide.
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Heath Stewart wrote: So his opinion that agnostics and atheists are idiots means that he's forcing his religion on people? Not his opinion. But when he expresses it in a public forum, yes he's forcing his religion on people. By implying that non believers are idiots, he's putting psychological pressure on people to follow a religion. Whatever religion. I'm not talking about specifics here. Having an opinion and expressing it are two different things. And for the record, I don't think religious people are idiots. Just like I don't think people who like the red colour are idiots. It's a matter of personal choice. As long as they don't force it on me, or nag me, I don't even think about it. I don't pass judgement on other people's personal matters, nor do I invade anyone's personal space. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Part of the joy in life is hearing the passionate pleas people make on behlaf of their beliefs (opinions). Also, if we didn't openly express our opinions, we wouldn't really understand where anyone else was "coming from" when they spoke, we would not be communicating openly. The notion that we should keep our opinions to ourselves is oppressive. What we should do is express our beliefs with much vigor, but never expect anyone to agree. Someone who is coerced by another person views either hasn't fully formed their own opinion yet, or has heard some truth that resonates, and is open to change.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
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Eco Jones wrote: a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion Just why is religion a "good idea" ? Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
Because it would suck to go through life with no framework.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
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Part of the joy in life is hearing the passionate pleas people make on behlaf of their beliefs (opinions). Also, if we didn't openly express our opinions, we wouldn't really understand where anyone else was "coming from" when they spoke, we would not be communicating openly. The notion that we should keep our opinions to ourselves is oppressive. What we should do is express our beliefs with much vigor, but never expect anyone to agree. Someone who is coerced by another person views either hasn't fully formed their own opinion yet, or has heard some truth that resonates, and is open to change.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
I don't want anyone to keep their views to themselves, Brian. Nor do I support the idea of oppressing anyone or their views. I was just pointing out something to him. His hypocrisy. By all means, discuss it, try to convince others, do what you can to help your cause. But calling someone an idiot for not adhering to your views and then later proclaiming you don't force anyone is just not done. My point was just that exerting pressure on others by using psychological tactics is forcing them too. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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"crusade" this is the word i wanted to use.. sorry for bad english :) we uslims , arabs :define crusade wars as : the wars happend 1000 years ago between muslims and europe in palestine (the holly land) We believe that bush ment this.. I have to go .. Jason i'll be happy to continue this conversataion later :)
We Kufr tend to define Jihad in much the same way. Though I belive it can also refer to a spiritual struggle, rather than a military one. It was a bloody stupid word for him to use. About as tactful as 'Operation Infinute Justice'. Tempers were a little frayed at the time though. Ryan.
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Because it would suck to go through life with no framework.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
Baloney. Religion is one of two things: it is a way for the primate in us to attach meaning to that which we can not understand or it is a method for an elite to control the general population. It had its place long ago and in some societies probably still does provide a framework of a sort - albeit false. But in a modern technological society it is just a hinderance. Consider if you wish the current flap over teaching evolution in school. Religion gave us the Dark Ages, the Inquistion, and many more ignoble examples in the past and to come. If religion was taken as a "framework" or an allogorical example of how to lead a good, productive life ,it would be acceptable but zealots among us ( and there are many ) try to make so much more out of it. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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Baloney. Religion is one of two things: it is a way for the primate in us to attach meaning to that which we can not understand or it is a method for an elite to control the general population. It had its place long ago and in some societies probably still does provide a framework of a sort - albeit false. But in a modern technological society it is just a hinderance. Consider if you wish the current flap over teaching evolution in school. Religion gave us the Dark Ages, the Inquistion, and many more ignoble examples in the past and to come. If religion was taken as a "framework" or an allogorical example of how to lead a good, productive life ,it would be acceptable but zealots among us ( and there are many ) try to make so much more out of it. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
Richard Stringer wrote: If religion was taken as a "framework" or an allogorical example of how to lead a good, productive life ,it would be acceptable but zealots among us ( and there are many ) try to make so much more out of it. Just because people use religion as a weapon or as a tool to do harm doesn't mean it doesn't have value for those who use it appropriately. After all, I may stab someone in the eye with a fork, but it still makes a handy eating utensil. :) Eco
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Hey, why can't I enjoy as much as I want, and in whatever way I want? Who's got the right to tell me what I can/should do and what I can't/shoudn't? Bah! What a load of crap. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons for being religious, but this has to be the crappiest one. Anyway, this is not going to lead anywhere, so what say we end this discussion here, and not hijack the original post? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Richard Stringer wrote: If religion was taken as a "framework" or an allogorical example of how to lead a good, productive life ,it would be acceptable but zealots among us ( and there are many ) try to make so much more out of it. Just because people use religion as a weapon or as a tool to do harm doesn't mean it doesn't have value for those who use it appropriately. After all, I may stab someone in the eye with a fork, but it still makes a handy eating utensil. :) Eco
Eco Jones wrote: After all, I may stab someone in the eye with a fork, but it still makes a handy eating utensil. But not as good or as versatile as the human hand. A fork is something we use because of some type of societial pressure - like religion. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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Baloney. Religion is one of two things: it is a way for the primate in us to attach meaning to that which we can not understand or it is a method for an elite to control the general population. It had its place long ago and in some societies probably still does provide a framework of a sort - albeit false. But in a modern technological society it is just a hinderance. Consider if you wish the current flap over teaching evolution in school. Religion gave us the Dark Ages, the Inquistion, and many more ignoble examples in the past and to come. If religion was taken as a "framework" or an allogorical example of how to lead a good, productive life ,it would be acceptable but zealots among us ( and there are many ) try to make so much more out of it. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
Richard Stringer wrote: a way for the primate in us to attach meaning you say that like it's a bad thing. My inner Chimp still need to be happy. Most people need a mythology to connect with. It helps them to feel centered, and lets them grasp their own place in the universe better. Most of us have questions about where we came from, where are we going, what's the point of life, etc. Religions help us get a grasp of this universe, which in turn builds a certain amount self-assurance. You're right in that today's technological society doesn't work well with many religions. It's hard to disassiociate ourselves from them, because those religions are part of our social makeup now. Knowledge of the universe is coming in too quickly for us to incorporate any of it into myth, as yet, but at some point certain religions will prosper because they can encompass our natural curiosity and need for a place in the world and the truths we've learned through science.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
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Eco Jones wrote: After all, I may stab someone in the eye with a fork, but it still makes a handy eating utensil. But not as good or as versatile as the human hand. A fork is something we use because of some type of societial pressure - like religion. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
Richard Stringer wrote: But not as good or as versatile as the human hand. No way! A fork lets me have shit on my hand and still eat my food without getting shit in my mouth. It's also handy for stabbing meat and scooping tiny vegetables. Of course, there's something to be said about natural selection for those people who shit on their hands, don't wash it off before eating, and die of a shit-disease. :) Eco
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Rohit Sinha wrote: Hey, why can't I enjoy as much as I want, and in whatever way I want? The fact is, you can't have your way in many "civilized" countries. Have you seen or heard any American who can enjoy a real hot & spicy dog? ;P