Al-Queda with nukes?
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Eco Jones wrote: a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion Just why is religion a "good idea" ? Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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John M. Drescher wrote: I am very glad we have a President with the balls to tackle the problem instead of kissing ass through diplomatic relations that have obviously failed miserable. 50+% of americans will vote against him in the coming election.. wht are not they happy with him ? John M. Drescher wrote: The other thing is this is a War that was declared by the other side i don't agree ,, but anyway .. just let your Bush declare frankly that this is a foolish revenge..not (A war for democracy)
hspc wrote: 50+% of americans will vote against him in the coming election.. Only in Democrats' wildest dreams. Bush will win by a landslide.
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Heath Stewart wrote: So his opinion that agnostics and atheists are idiots means that he's forcing his religion on people? Not his opinion. But when he expresses it in a public forum, yes he's forcing his religion on people. By implying that non believers are idiots, he's putting psychological pressure on people to follow a religion. Whatever religion. I'm not talking about specifics here. Having an opinion and expressing it are two different things. And for the record, I don't think religious people are idiots. Just like I don't think people who like the red colour are idiots. It's a matter of personal choice. As long as they don't force it on me, or nag me, I don't even think about it. I don't pass judgement on other people's personal matters, nor do I invade anyone's personal space. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Part of the joy in life is hearing the passionate pleas people make on behlaf of their beliefs (opinions). Also, if we didn't openly express our opinions, we wouldn't really understand where anyone else was "coming from" when they spoke, we would not be communicating openly. The notion that we should keep our opinions to ourselves is oppressive. What we should do is express our beliefs with much vigor, but never expect anyone to agree. Someone who is coerced by another person views either hasn't fully formed their own opinion yet, or has heard some truth that resonates, and is open to change.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
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Eco Jones wrote: a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion Just why is religion a "good idea" ? Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
Because it would suck to go through life with no framework.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
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Part of the joy in life is hearing the passionate pleas people make on behlaf of their beliefs (opinions). Also, if we didn't openly express our opinions, we wouldn't really understand where anyone else was "coming from" when they spoke, we would not be communicating openly. The notion that we should keep our opinions to ourselves is oppressive. What we should do is express our beliefs with much vigor, but never expect anyone to agree. Someone who is coerced by another person views either hasn't fully formed their own opinion yet, or has heard some truth that resonates, and is open to change.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
I don't want anyone to keep their views to themselves, Brian. Nor do I support the idea of oppressing anyone or their views. I was just pointing out something to him. His hypocrisy. By all means, discuss it, try to convince others, do what you can to help your cause. But calling someone an idiot for not adhering to your views and then later proclaiming you don't force anyone is just not done. My point was just that exerting pressure on others by using psychological tactics is forcing them too. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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"crusade" this is the word i wanted to use.. sorry for bad english :) we uslims , arabs :define crusade wars as : the wars happend 1000 years ago between muslims and europe in palestine (the holly land) We believe that bush ment this.. I have to go .. Jason i'll be happy to continue this conversataion later :)
We Kufr tend to define Jihad in much the same way. Though I belive it can also refer to a spiritual struggle, rather than a military one. It was a bloody stupid word for him to use. About as tactful as 'Operation Infinute Justice'. Tempers were a little frayed at the time though. Ryan.
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Because it would suck to go through life with no framework.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
Baloney. Religion is one of two things: it is a way for the primate in us to attach meaning to that which we can not understand or it is a method for an elite to control the general population. It had its place long ago and in some societies probably still does provide a framework of a sort - albeit false. But in a modern technological society it is just a hinderance. Consider if you wish the current flap over teaching evolution in school. Religion gave us the Dark Ages, the Inquistion, and many more ignoble examples in the past and to come. If religion was taken as a "framework" or an allogorical example of how to lead a good, productive life ,it would be acceptable but zealots among us ( and there are many ) try to make so much more out of it. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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Baloney. Religion is one of two things: it is a way for the primate in us to attach meaning to that which we can not understand or it is a method for an elite to control the general population. It had its place long ago and in some societies probably still does provide a framework of a sort - albeit false. But in a modern technological society it is just a hinderance. Consider if you wish the current flap over teaching evolution in school. Religion gave us the Dark Ages, the Inquistion, and many more ignoble examples in the past and to come. If religion was taken as a "framework" or an allogorical example of how to lead a good, productive life ,it would be acceptable but zealots among us ( and there are many ) try to make so much more out of it. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
Richard Stringer wrote: If religion was taken as a "framework" or an allogorical example of how to lead a good, productive life ,it would be acceptable but zealots among us ( and there are many ) try to make so much more out of it. Just because people use religion as a weapon or as a tool to do harm doesn't mean it doesn't have value for those who use it appropriately. After all, I may stab someone in the eye with a fork, but it still makes a handy eating utensil. :) Eco
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Hey, why can't I enjoy as much as I want, and in whatever way I want? Who's got the right to tell me what I can/should do and what I can't/shoudn't? Bah! What a load of crap. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons for being religious, but this has to be the crappiest one. Anyway, this is not going to lead anywhere, so what say we end this discussion here, and not hijack the original post? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Richard Stringer wrote: If religion was taken as a "framework" or an allogorical example of how to lead a good, productive life ,it would be acceptable but zealots among us ( and there are many ) try to make so much more out of it. Just because people use religion as a weapon or as a tool to do harm doesn't mean it doesn't have value for those who use it appropriately. After all, I may stab someone in the eye with a fork, but it still makes a handy eating utensil. :) Eco
Eco Jones wrote: After all, I may stab someone in the eye with a fork, but it still makes a handy eating utensil. But not as good or as versatile as the human hand. A fork is something we use because of some type of societial pressure - like religion. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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Baloney. Religion is one of two things: it is a way for the primate in us to attach meaning to that which we can not understand or it is a method for an elite to control the general population. It had its place long ago and in some societies probably still does provide a framework of a sort - albeit false. But in a modern technological society it is just a hinderance. Consider if you wish the current flap over teaching evolution in school. Religion gave us the Dark Ages, the Inquistion, and many more ignoble examples in the past and to come. If religion was taken as a "framework" or an allogorical example of how to lead a good, productive life ,it would be acceptable but zealots among us ( and there are many ) try to make so much more out of it. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
Richard Stringer wrote: a way for the primate in us to attach meaning you say that like it's a bad thing. My inner Chimp still need to be happy. Most people need a mythology to connect with. It helps them to feel centered, and lets them grasp their own place in the universe better. Most of us have questions about where we came from, where are we going, what's the point of life, etc. Religions help us get a grasp of this universe, which in turn builds a certain amount self-assurance. You're right in that today's technological society doesn't work well with many religions. It's hard to disassiociate ourselves from them, because those religions are part of our social makeup now. Knowledge of the universe is coming in too quickly for us to incorporate any of it into myth, as yet, but at some point certain religions will prosper because they can encompass our natural curiosity and need for a place in the world and the truths we've learned through science.
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
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Eco Jones wrote: After all, I may stab someone in the eye with a fork, but it still makes a handy eating utensil. But not as good or as versatile as the human hand. A fork is something we use because of some type of societial pressure - like religion. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
Richard Stringer wrote: But not as good or as versatile as the human hand. No way! A fork lets me have shit on my hand and still eat my food without getting shit in my mouth. It's also handy for stabbing meat and scooping tiny vegetables. Of course, there's something to be said about natural selection for those people who shit on their hands, don't wash it off before eating, and die of a shit-disease. :) Eco
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Rohit Sinha wrote: Hey, why can't I enjoy as much as I want, and in whatever way I want? The fact is, you can't have your way in many "civilized" countries. Have you seen or heard any American who can enjoy a real hot & spicy dog? ;P
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Who told you about the life after death? Ghosts? [EDIT] And supposing there is another life after the after death life, should we then give up all happiness in that other life, so we can make the best of the next one, and so on? When does it end? And why should we not make the best of this life, which we are living? [/EDIT] Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Rohit Sinha wrote: And supposing there is another life after the after death life Ah! I love it when people start talking about Quantum immortality[^] My imagination runs wild!:) The thought of a possibility exists that I or my soul could keep living, that is enough reason for me to have faith in that. You know, kind of having faith that my lotto[^] ticket is the winner. :-D Later, JoeSox One thing vampire children have to be taught early on is, don't run with wooden stakes. --Jack Handy Deep Thoughts www.joeswammi.com ↔ www.humanaiproject.org
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I don't want anyone to keep their views to themselves, Brian. Nor do I support the idea of oppressing anyone or their views. I was just pointing out something to him. His hypocrisy. By all means, discuss it, try to convince others, do what you can to help your cause. But calling someone an idiot for not adhering to your views and then later proclaiming you don't force anyone is just not done. My point was just that exerting pressure on others by using psychological tactics is forcing them too. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Rohit Sinha wrote: I don't want anyone to keep their views to themselves, Brian. Nor do I support the idea of oppressing anyone or their views. I know that, Rohit. I just had to say that, and replying to your post seemed a good place for it. ;)
"Myths and the magic, Triumphant and tragic, A mechanized world out of hand. "
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Al Qaida commander 'anticipates' 100,000 Americans dead in attack ... In regard to rumors about a large-scale attack against the U.S. during the month of Ramadan, Al-Hijazi said that "a huge and very courageous strike" will take place and that the number of infidels expected to be killed in this attack, according to primary estimates, exceeds 100,000. He added that he "anticipates, but will not swear, that the attack will happen during Ramadan." He further stated that the attack will be carried out in a way that will "amaze the world and turn Al Qaida into [an organization that] horrifies the world until the law of Allah is implemented, actually implemented, and not just in words, on His land... You wait and see that the balance of power between Al Qaida and its rivals will change, all of a sudden, Allah willing." http://216.26.163.62/2003/me_terror_11_13.html[^] Sounds like they're talking about a nuke. Though, hollow threats are also part of their methods. It would certainly alter things if Al-Queda proved that they had nuclear capability. (BTW, I didn't post this as a sneaky counterargument to the "Bush/Clinton is scaring us into despotism" post immediately preceeding this one.) ------------------------------------------ The ousted but stubbornly non-dead leader reportedly released an audiotape this weekend, ending by calling on Iraqis to, quote, "resist the occupation in any way you can, from writing on walls, to boycotting, to demonstrating and taking up arms." adding, "you know, pretty much anything I used to kill you for." - The Daily Show
And then after it happens, there will still be assholes who say it is America's fault for not examining the reasons why terrorists want to kill westerners. They just don't get it that examining reasons at the end of a gun barrell is no different than extortion.
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As a muslim .. I'm so sorry about the idea that non-muslims take about islam..Which is caused by some Terror actions... Trollslayer wrote: Its not as if what they do is anything to do with Islam - look at the number of muslims they kill along with everyone else Yes..We must distinguish: Islam <> Some bad actions done by some muslims.(like Qieda) judism <> what Israeli soldiers do in Palestine. Christianity <> innocent ppl that the american army kills Islam <> terrorism judaism <>Zionism Christianity <> injustice. I wish you've got the idea though my bad English.
hspc wrote: innocent ppl that the american army kills As an FYI (I'm sure you are intelligent enough to already know this, but just in case you aren't): If America never used it's military there would be millions more "innocents" dead today. For every innocent we accidentally kill while combatting evil we save 10 thousand.
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Eco Jones wrote: Basically, a whole bunch of idiots can take a good idea like religion and completely f*** it up for everyone. sure I didn't post this for real idiots that don't believe any religion ,, thinking that they live to eat,drink,have sex,,
hspc wrote: I didn't post this for real idiots that don't believe any religion :zzz: You are a boring hypocrite. I hope you waste your life praying and linger on your death bed in agony realizing you could have actually had fun during your wasted life. And I didn't mean what I just wrote if you aren't first calling me an idiot :) hspc wrote: thinking that they live to eat,drink,have sex,, Better than believing you are born to be a slave to some sadistic freak diety who will torture you forever if you don't slaveringly follow all of his asinine rules.
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Eco Jones wrote: Because it gives people hope. But only people that are already so hopeless that they can't handle the fact that we are merely temporarily animated meat puppets.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: If we did to Afghanistan what we did for 3000 lives lost and did to Iraq what we did for [pick your reason(s) or lack thereof] what are we capable of if 100,000 lives are taken? That is a very interesting question. What response can you give to the use of weapons of mass destruction against a civilian population? In the cold war, the answer was simple. Russian nuked the US, the US nuked the Russians. Against terrorist groups, you are rather stuck for options. The US has probably done all it can in Afghanistan. Against an enemy who has no fixed location, it is very hard to retaliate in measures that are approriate. Unless you had evidence that a country was behind it, you are rather stuck for a response. All you can do is hunt down those behind it, but as we have seen since 9/11 - the bastards are very hard to find. Michael 'Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.' - The Doctor: The Wheel in Space
Michael P Butler wrote: All you can do is hunt down those behind it, but as we have seen since 9/11 - the bastards are very hard to find. If the terrorists did something like this it could very well cause WWIII. The US would go after every nation on the list of state sponsors of terror. We would severly restrict all transit through the US - with a negative impact on our economy. We would scale up our military - with a negative impact on our economy. THen we would request/demand that our fair-weather friends in Europe joined us in our efforts. When those countries failed to join us we would ignore their borders as we flew our aircraft where we needed to. If one of our planes was shot down by France, well. There it goes. If only the terrorists were too dumb to figure out that most European countries would be content to buy their temporary safety instead of joining the righteous fight........ We would order all people out of the mountains in Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, etc. and fly 24 hour patrol flights and call in airstrikes on ANY heat sources in those mountains. Ugly but effective. Time for all of those people to join us in the 21st century. Kicking and screaming if need be.
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