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Paul Watson wrote: Opera is a great example of it. They don't abuse the system, they just serve ads in a conspicuous place and I get a great browser for free (lets not get into "But you get IE for free without ads" debate, that is not the point). $29 may not be much to you, but to me is quite a hefty sum. Enough that I will put up with ads to use good software. I suppose a browser is the only app that can get away with ads. After all, most web-pages show adverts, so one more isn't going to harm the application experience. (Although I still redirect adverts to 127.0.0.1) Ads in any other application, just don't seem right. I wouldn't want to see adverts in my mail program or on my accounts program. The problem lies in the fact that people expect software for free, developers are trying to shy away from charging and therefore are looking for back-door ways to generate revenue. I suspect developers need to have a look at their business models. If there aren't paying customers, then perhaps there isn't a market worth pursuing. I can't believe there is any way of covering development costs by placing adverts into applications. Michael Blue canary in the outlet by the light switch Who watches over you Make a little birdhouse in your soul - They Might Be Giants
Why is using Code Project for free with ads different from using Outlook for free with ads? (It is an interesting debate, so the above is a genuine question :) ) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Why is using Code Project for free with ads different from using Outlook for free with ads? (It is an interesting debate, so the above is a genuine question :) ) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Why is using Code Project for free with ads different from using Outlook for free with ads? The ads on CodeProject are relevant. CodeProject is a development resource, it makes sense to advertise useful development tools. Most people come here looking for code or advice. They may find it for free, or maybe one of the advertisers/sponsers have what they are looking for. Adverts in Outlook? Hmm, what could you possibly advertise. "I see you have no appointments, why not visit Date.Com" "You seem to be sending lots of mail to Sally, why not send her flowers via Interflora" When I'm using Outlook, I'm not looking to buy stuff, I'm not looking for any resources. I'm reading my email or updating my calender. Adverts have no place there. They would be a distraction. (Heck, typing this reply is hard enough with that damn "Sams ASP.NET Kick Start" advert flicking between images. Michael Blue canary in the outlet by the light switch Who watches over you Make a little birdhouse in your soul - They Might Be Giants
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Paul Watson wrote: Why is using Code Project for free with ads different from using Outlook for free with ads? The ads on CodeProject are relevant. CodeProject is a development resource, it makes sense to advertise useful development tools. Most people come here looking for code or advice. They may find it for free, or maybe one of the advertisers/sponsers have what they are looking for. Adverts in Outlook? Hmm, what could you possibly advertise. "I see you have no appointments, why not visit Date.Com" "You seem to be sending lots of mail to Sally, why not send her flowers via Interflora" When I'm using Outlook, I'm not looking to buy stuff, I'm not looking for any resources. I'm reading my email or updating my calender. Adverts have no place there. They would be a distraction. (Heck, typing this reply is hard enough with that damn "Sams ASP.NET Kick Start" advert flicking between images. Michael Blue canary in the outlet by the light switch Who watches over you Make a little birdhouse in your soul - They Might Be Giants
Michael P Butler wrote: I see you have no appointments, why not visit Date.Com :laugh: David
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Naturally there are applications which abuse and misuse the principle. The principle IMO is sound and worthwhile. Those who want to pay may do so, those who don't don't have to, either way the app is used. Opera is a great example of it. They don't abuse the system, they just serve ads in a conspicuous place and I get a great browser for free (lets not get into "But you get IE for free without ads" debate, that is not the point). $29 may not be much to you, but to me is quite a hefty sum. Enough that I will put up with ads to use good software. Those apps that shoot themselves in the foot by using spy-ware... well I don't use them. Hopefully others don't either and so eventually they will realise it is fruitless and stop (I am not holding my breath. The good apps though don't abuse). Point being, there is some good software out there that I am happy to use in payment for seeing adverts. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: Opera is a great example of it. They don't abuse the system, I agree 100%. I bought Opera after testing it for a while in ad mode and I think it's a brilliant idea; some of us watch movies for free when they come to network tv with ads and some of us pay for the movie to watch it without ads. Then again on another and completely unrelated rant: some of us go infrequently to the movie theatre and suddenly discover that they are showing Coke ads before the !QQ#$!@#$ movie that I just payed a small fortune to see in a theater where some jack-ass is talking through the whole thing, the floor is sticky and the popcorn tastes like a$$.
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Paul Watson wrote: Why is using Code Project for free with ads different from using Outlook for free with ads? The ads on CodeProject are relevant. CodeProject is a development resource, it makes sense to advertise useful development tools. Most people come here looking for code or advice. They may find it for free, or maybe one of the advertisers/sponsers have what they are looking for. Adverts in Outlook? Hmm, what could you possibly advertise. "I see you have no appointments, why not visit Date.Com" "You seem to be sending lots of mail to Sally, why not send her flowers via Interflora" When I'm using Outlook, I'm not looking to buy stuff, I'm not looking for any resources. I'm reading my email or updating my calender. Adverts have no place there. They would be a distraction. (Heck, typing this reply is hard enough with that damn "Sams ASP.NET Kick Start" advert flicking between images. Michael Blue canary in the outlet by the light switch Who watches over you Make a little birdhouse in your soul - They Might Be Giants
Let me clarify something; I don't like adverts either. They are annoying and in far too many cases irrelevant. But I get to use a great piece of software or a fantastic website for free. It is a price I am willing to pay. I will be even more willing if the adverts are targeted better. If Outlook scanned my email and made relevant suggestions for services, that would be pretty cool (though it would get it wrong if it went on frequency in the case of flowers :-D ). It needn't be in your face. Those Google text ads popping up everywhere are a good example. They are targeted based on the content of the page (not always perfect mind you) and subtle enough that you can ignore them if you want to. That is the right way to do it. Really, the option should be there. Do you want to pay for this piece of software? Yes, caching, thank you. No, ok, here are some ads instead. It is a lot less intrusive than adverts on the telly and that is pretty accepted. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Paul Watson wrote: Opera is a great example of it. They don't abuse the system, I agree 100%. I bought Opera after testing it for a while in ad mode and I think it's a brilliant idea; some of us watch movies for free when they come to network tv with ads and some of us pay for the movie to watch it without ads. Then again on another and completely unrelated rant: some of us go infrequently to the movie theatre and suddenly discover that they are showing Coke ads before the !QQ#$!@#$ movie that I just payed a small fortune to see in a theater where some jack-ass is talking through the whole thing, the floor is sticky and the popcorn tastes like a$$.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!I wonder what the cost of a movie ticket would be without the trailers and ads before it? (Not trying to say you are wrong and it is legit of them, just curious really. We may find the ads hardly cover anything, or maybe not, who knows?) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Let me clarify something; I don't like adverts either. They are annoying and in far too many cases irrelevant. But I get to use a great piece of software or a fantastic website for free. It is a price I am willing to pay. I will be even more willing if the adverts are targeted better. If Outlook scanned my email and made relevant suggestions for services, that would be pretty cool (though it would get it wrong if it went on frequency in the case of flowers :-D ). It needn't be in your face. Those Google text ads popping up everywhere are a good example. They are targeted based on the content of the page (not always perfect mind you) and subtle enough that you can ignore them if you want to. That is the right way to do it. Really, the option should be there. Do you want to pay for this piece of software? Yes, caching, thank you. No, ok, here are some ads instead. It is a lot less intrusive than adverts on the telly and that is pretty accepted. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand?
Paul Watson wrote: It is a lot less intrusive than adverts on the telly and that is pretty accepted. Not in my home. Adverts come on, I flick the channels until they've finished. (Although that is very hard to do, as most channels tend to show adverts at the same time. Which is where 'pausing live TV' comes in. Hit the pause, do something else for five minutes, fast forward. Paul Watson wrote: I will be even more willing if the adverts are targeted better. Targetted adverts means tracking what I do. I don't like that. (You buy one Robbie Williams CD for Amazon for your sisters birthday and the web-site spends the rest of the year telling you to buy some more of that crap) Paul Watson wrote: But I get to use a great piece of software or a fantastic website for free. Web-sites, I'll agree with. At the moment there isn't a better revenue model apart from subscriptions, which for places like CP would cause 'issues'. Applications, I'd rather pay for something than have the app doing other things beyond its function. Michael Blue canary in the outlet by the light switch Who watches over you Make a little birdhouse in your soul - They Might Be Giants
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Paul Watson wrote: Opera is a great example of it. They don't abuse the system, I agree 100%. I bought Opera after testing it for a while in ad mode and I think it's a brilliant idea; some of us watch movies for free when they come to network tv with ads and some of us pay for the movie to watch it without ads. Then again on another and completely unrelated rant: some of us go infrequently to the movie theatre and suddenly discover that they are showing Coke ads before the !QQ#$!@#$ movie that I just payed a small fortune to see in a theater where some jack-ass is talking through the whole thing, the floor is sticky and the popcorn tastes like a$$.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!John Cardinal wrote: popcorn tastes like a$$. I'm not even going to ask.... :-D Michael Blue canary in the outlet by the light switch Who watches over you Make a little birdhouse in your soul - They Might Be Giants
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Paul Watson wrote: Opera is a great example of it. They don't abuse the system, they just serve ads in a conspicuous place and I get a great browser for free (lets not get into "But you get IE for free without ads" debate, that is not the point). $29 may not be much to you, but to me is quite a hefty sum. Enough that I will put up with ads to use good software. I suppose a browser is the only app that can get away with ads. After all, most web-pages show adverts, so one more isn't going to harm the application experience. (Although I still redirect adverts to 127.0.0.1) Ads in any other application, just don't seem right. I wouldn't want to see adverts in my mail program or on my accounts program. The problem lies in the fact that people expect software for free, developers are trying to shy away from charging and therefore are looking for back-door ways to generate revenue. I suspect developers need to have a look at their business models. If there aren't paying customers, then perhaps there isn't a market worth pursuing. I can't believe there is any way of covering development costs by placing adverts into applications. Michael Blue canary in the outlet by the light switch Who watches over you Make a little birdhouse in your soul - They Might Be Giants
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Paul Watson wrote: Why is using Code Project for free with ads different from using Outlook for free with ads? The ads on CodeProject are relevant. CodeProject is a development resource, it makes sense to advertise useful development tools. Most people come here looking for code or advice. They may find it for free, or maybe one of the advertisers/sponsers have what they are looking for. Adverts in Outlook? Hmm, what could you possibly advertise. "I see you have no appointments, why not visit Date.Com" "You seem to be sending lots of mail to Sally, why not send her flowers via Interflora" When I'm using Outlook, I'm not looking to buy stuff, I'm not looking for any resources. I'm reading my email or updating my calender. Adverts have no place there. They would be a distraction. (Heck, typing this reply is hard enough with that damn "Sams ASP.NET Kick Start" advert flicking between images. Michael Blue canary in the outlet by the light switch Who watches over you Make a little birdhouse in your soul - They Might Be Giants
Michael P Butler wrote: "You seem to be sending lots of mail to Sally, why not send her flowers via Interflora" Don't laugh. I can't find the link but I read something the other day where somebody was complaining about having problems printing stuff. Turns out that the problem was being caused by AOL showing popups when you try to print something, advertising third-party printing services! :wtf: :omg: :mad:
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I think it is a reasonable trade off :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand?
Except with programs like quicken. I live for that program and use it religiously. But the last two versions I bought show ads at the bottom of the screen for other intuit services. That bugs the !@#$ out of me. If I got a discounted version of the program then sure throw adds in my face, but I didn't, so don't. Or at the very least LET ME TURN IT OFF :( Jeff Patterson Programmers speak in Code. http://www.anti-dmca.org[^]
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Except with programs like quicken. I live for that program and use it religiously. But the last two versions I bought show ads at the bottom of the screen for other intuit services. That bugs the !@#$ out of me. If I got a discounted version of the program then sure throw adds in my face, but I didn't, so don't. Or at the very least LET ME TURN IT OFF :( Jeff Patterson Programmers speak in Code. http://www.anti-dmca.org[^]
Yup, that is just wrong. You paid for the software, you paid full price, they should not put ads in. *paul notes not to buy quicken until they have changed* regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand?