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  • C CillyMe

    Yes. But, out of curiosity, for my lack of experience in Linux (really), is M$ really an inferior product? I never really looked into the matter before.

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    Steven Hicks n 1
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    BY NO MEANS IS Microsoft WinXP/2000 inferior to Linux. I am the most fluent with Windows. This year at my school they are offering Linux Cert. I'm in the class here are my observations: 1. It takes a while to get use to installing a program, if your lucky and have all the dependences working (ugh). 2. The window managers are crap, I can't stand Gnome, and sometimes KDE just pisses me off. 3. Changing process's CPU prioity requres ps aux get number and renice if its running or nice if your starting it 4. No default keyboard short cuts whats so ever 5. People complain way too much about the graphical boot (Fedora) even though they can veiw the messages later with dmesg. 6. LACK OF SECURITY- everyone has access to root if you are at the machine no matter what your account name is, you can have access to the root account, you can change the root password WITHOUT having permissions. 7. The "Windows Update" clone doesn't work without user intervention to set it up, I.e. registering and then selecting what you want it to update etc. 8. I don't like KDevelop much. What do I like? 1. Its developments ie Hotplugible pci, (planned) ram and cpus. 2. Compiling the kernel- i like that you can disable bluetooth and firewire since I won't touch it for a while. 3. Good command line stuff -Steven Hicks

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      I, for one, would switch to Linux, if I could. Here goes a few reasons why: 1. it's free, 2. it's Open Source, 3. it's more stable (though it does not mean that you cannot crush a computer running on Linux), 4. it's more secure, 5. it's more powerful (although it's possible that I think so, only because I'm not Windows administrator and I don't know how to do many things), 6. it ask users whether they want to do something. On the other hand, I admit that Windows is more user-friendly and easier to use for people who aren't computer geeks and computers are so popular today because of MS. Linux is still far too complicated for majority of computer users. However, my company uses MS software, so I cannot use Linux as much as I could. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman

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      chopeen wrote: it's more stable I've manage to completely crash my kernel through rebooting. And it has locked up on me MANY times (just running updatedb in the back ground process, running XMMS (if you run that without a sound card set up properly it will cause gnome to be very mad at you), and a few other comands at the same time. I found that linux asks too much and doesn't do much return compared to XP. -Steven Hicks

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      • S Steven Hicks n 1

        BY NO MEANS IS Microsoft WinXP/2000 inferior to Linux. I am the most fluent with Windows. This year at my school they are offering Linux Cert. I'm in the class here are my observations: 1. It takes a while to get use to installing a program, if your lucky and have all the dependences working (ugh). 2. The window managers are crap, I can't stand Gnome, and sometimes KDE just pisses me off. 3. Changing process's CPU prioity requres ps aux get number and renice if its running or nice if your starting it 4. No default keyboard short cuts whats so ever 5. People complain way too much about the graphical boot (Fedora) even though they can veiw the messages later with dmesg. 6. LACK OF SECURITY- everyone has access to root if you are at the machine no matter what your account name is, you can have access to the root account, you can change the root password WITHOUT having permissions. 7. The "Windows Update" clone doesn't work without user intervention to set it up, I.e. registering and then selecting what you want it to update etc. 8. I don't like KDevelop much. What do I like? 1. Its developments ie Hotplugible pci, (planned) ram and cpus. 2. Compiling the kernel- i like that you can disable bluetooth and firewire since I won't touch it for a while. 3. Good command line stuff -Steven Hicks

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        If they can't afford the service (good sys admin and appropriate security), they don't deserve the service. Companies/Institutions should realize that they need to pay for professional consulting/software and services. Screw free software - I'm getting paid for my service and countless hours of debuggin, no freebies for that!

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          If they can't afford the service (good sys admin and appropriate security), they don't deserve the service. Companies/Institutions should realize that they need to pay for professional consulting/software and services. Screw free software - I'm getting paid for my service and countless hours of debuggin, no freebies for that!

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          :) -Steven Hicks

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            chopeen wrote: _http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/requested.html_ Good stuff. "www.daiko-lab.co.jp" (1657 1700 1701 FreeBSD) makes so impressive figures it seems, or is that an error of some sort? 1700 is like 4 years. M$ does pretty well too, averages 200 days. So, one bad day a year. I also read some TPC figures somewhere. Doesnt seems M$ SQL Server is doing much worse than Oracle or DB2... Take a look at http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc\_perf\_results.asp. As for security: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid - everything is vulnerable (How do you secure anything online btw? I'm a security newbie) Anyhow, it seems M$' bad reputation is just the result of all the hype in putting down M$. I recently met some moron who commented on Visual Studio.NET: "Visual Studio and the IDE's are for the weak, I personally uses VIM" *** man, whatda hack ***

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            CillyMe wrote: 1700 is like 4 years. M$ does pretty well too, averages 200 days How much do you earn? 200 or 1700? Oh, well. It's not a big deal. :). But I think that most requested sites show you the truth. And there are more machines running Linux than Windows there. CillyMe wrote: I recently met some moron who commented on Visual Studio.NET: "Visual Studio and the IDE's are for the weak, I personally uses VIM" *** man, whatda hack *** I agree with you, although I am still VS 6.0 guy. :). "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman

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              chopeen wrote: But, talking about how great MS is, take a look at Print preview in IE. You mean, that while it took them a while to actually do one (which I agree is fair criticism, and was a nuisance for several IE versions), it actually works really well? :-D -- Ian Darling "The moral of the story is that with a contrived example, you can prove anything." - Joel Spolsky

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              On my machine (Win XP, IE 6.0, MS printer drivers) the print preview looks like this: http://free.of.pl/c/cadaver/marek/preview.gif "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman

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              • M Marek Grzenkowicz

                CillyMe wrote: 1700 is like 4 years. M$ does pretty well too, averages 200 days How much do you earn? 200 or 1700? Oh, well. It's not a big deal. :). But I think that most requested sites show you the truth. And there are more machines running Linux than Windows there. CillyMe wrote: I recently met some moron who commented on Visual Studio.NET: "Visual Studio and the IDE's are for the weak, I personally uses VIM" *** man, whatda hack *** I agree with you, although I am still VS 6.0 guy. :). "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman

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                chopeen wrote: I agree with you, although I am still VS 6.0 guy. . Hey, that's where I started a few years back =)

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                  BY NO MEANS IS Microsoft WinXP/2000 inferior to Linux. I am the most fluent with Windows. This year at my school they are offering Linux Cert. I'm in the class here are my observations: 1. It takes a while to get use to installing a program, if your lucky and have all the dependences working (ugh). 2. The window managers are crap, I can't stand Gnome, and sometimes KDE just pisses me off. 3. Changing process's CPU prioity requres ps aux get number and renice if its running or nice if your starting it 4. No default keyboard short cuts whats so ever 5. People complain way too much about the graphical boot (Fedora) even though they can veiw the messages later with dmesg. 6. LACK OF SECURITY- everyone has access to root if you are at the machine no matter what your account name is, you can have access to the root account, you can change the root password WITHOUT having permissions. 7. The "Windows Update" clone doesn't work without user intervention to set it up, I.e. registering and then selecting what you want it to update etc. 8. I don't like KDevelop much. What do I like? 1. Its developments ie Hotplugible pci, (planned) ram and cpus. 2. Compiling the kernel- i like that you can disable bluetooth and firewire since I won't touch it for a while. 3. Good command line stuff -Steven Hicks

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                  (Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: 6. LACK OF SECURITY- everyone has access to root if you are at the machine no matter what your account name is, you can have access to the root account, you can change the root password WITHOUT having permissions. HOW?!? I have no idea what you mean. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman

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                    chopeen wrote: I agree with you, although I am still VS 6.0 guy. . Hey, that's where I started a few years back =)

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                    I started serious programming in January. This year. :). So I'm little behind the schedule. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman

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                      (Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: 6. LACK OF SECURITY- everyone has access to root if you are at the machine no matter what your account name is, you can have access to the root account, you can change the root password WITHOUT having permissions. HOW?!? I have no idea what you mean. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman

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                      Use the command passwd in run level 3 or 0 i can't remember... (which you can tell it to go to (look up on google) from GRUB) -Steven Hicks

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                        Use the command passwd in run level 3 or 0 i can't remember... (which you can tell it to go to (look up on google) from GRUB) -Steven Hicks

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                        (Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: look up on google Found it! I will check it tomorrow - tonight there's a great concert and I'm gonna be there!!! (Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: which you can tell it to go to from GRUB And, BTW, I don't have GRUB - I installed Win XP after I had installed Linux. Not a good idea. Windows deletes Linux bootloaders. But I'll work this out. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman

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                          Use the command passwd in run level 3 or 0 i can't remember... (which you can tell it to go to (look up on google) from GRUB) -Steven Hicks

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                          (Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: Use the command passwd in run level 3 or 0 i can't remember It's run level 0 (3 is a regular multiuser text mode). I checked this and in my opinion you cannot use it. You can type it, but it has no effect. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman

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                            (Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: Use the command passwd in run level 3 or 0 i can't remember It's run level 0 (3 is a regular multiuser text mode). I checked this and in my opinion you cannot use it. You can type it, but it has no effect. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman

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                            Thats what my class does when someone has a different root password adn we need to get into the machine. passwd Also look it up in the man pages. -Steven Hicks

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                              Thats what my class does when someone has a different root password adn we need to get into the machine. passwd Also look it up in the man pages. -Steven Hicks

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                              I believe you and I know how to use passwd, but I still do not know how you are doing this. 1. You choose run level 0. 2. The machine starts to boot - you see all the stuff about finding devices, mounting disks, etc. on the screen. 3. During this time you can type something (e.g. passwd), but I didn't notice any effect. If you could explain it further, I would be grateful. Thanks in advance. "Gods die, when their believers are gone." --from Sandman by Neil Gaiman

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