Endangered Developer Species
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A humouress but revealing article on Tech Republic started my day with a laugh. Can anyone think of other dveloper types under threat? One response to the article was "dot com developer" which made me chuckle. You could say I am a dot com developer, I just happen to luckily not work directly for the dot-com but for rather a development house. When do you reckon, if ever, "C++ developer" will be on this type of list? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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A humouress but revealing article on Tech Republic started my day with a laugh. Can anyone think of other dveloper types under threat? One response to the article was "dot com developer" which made me chuckle. You could say I am a dot com developer, I just happen to luckily not work directly for the dot-com but for rather a development house. When do you reckon, if ever, "C++ developer" will be on this type of list? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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Hopefully quite soon. Developers have gotten too big for their britches and need to be taken down a few pegs.
LMAO, fan the flames! :laugh: You are obviously a tad pissed off with us developers. What path have you taken to reach such a stage? I am very interested to hear why you think we need to be humbled a bit. Also I was campaigning for something very similar in another forum on CP. Basically I felt that for the IT industry to survive (internally and externally) we developers would have to realise we are not special, that we are just like Jane from management or Joe from accounts. We cannot carry on acting like a bunch of prima-donnas wanting our own trailer and make up assistant. So come on joefor, tell us why :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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LMAO, fan the flames! :laugh: You are obviously a tad pissed off with us developers. What path have you taken to reach such a stage? I am very interested to hear why you think we need to be humbled a bit. Also I was campaigning for something very similar in another forum on CP. Basically I felt that for the IT industry to survive (internally and externally) we developers would have to realise we are not special, that we are just like Jane from management or Joe from accounts. We cannot carry on acting like a bunch of prima-donnas wanting our own trailer and make up assistant. So come on joefor, tell us why :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
> Basically I felt that for the IT industry to survive (internally and > externally) we developers would have to realise we are not special Oh, but we are special. We are the voice of purity and the champions of "doing it the right". Bean counters may dictate schedules, and managers may pressure us to meet them, but when it gets right down to the nitty gritty, the coder in the trenches determines when a piece of software is released, what it looks like, and how it performs. Oh yes, we are special. To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
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LMAO, fan the flames! :laugh: You are obviously a tad pissed off with us developers. What path have you taken to reach such a stage? I am very interested to hear why you think we need to be humbled a bit. Also I was campaigning for something very similar in another forum on CP. Basically I felt that for the IT industry to survive (internally and externally) we developers would have to realise we are not special, that we are just like Jane from management or Joe from accounts. We cannot carry on acting like a bunch of prima-donnas wanting our own trailer and make up assistant. So come on joefor, tell us why :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
So come on joefor, tell us why Could it be the number of significant digits in joefor's paycheck? :) Foot-and-Mouth disease is believed to be the first virus unable to spread through Microsoft Outlook
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So come on joefor, tell us why Could it be the number of significant digits in joefor's paycheck? :) Foot-and-Mouth disease is believed to be the first virus unable to spread through Microsoft Outlook
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> Basically I felt that for the IT industry to survive (internally and > externally) we developers would have to realise we are not special Oh, but we are special. We are the voice of purity and the champions of "doing it the right". Bean counters may dictate schedules, and managers may pressure us to meet them, but when it gets right down to the nitty gritty, the coder in the trenches determines when a piece of software is released, what it looks like, and how it performs. Oh yes, we are special. To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
You keep thinking that, pillow-biter... ;P We are the voice of purity and the champions of "doing it the right" Oh yeah, Microsoft and Sun really lead us developers into pastures of purity and rightness X| Just ask any HTML developer (heck, ask Chris) about "doing it right" and they will laugh their way to the nearest pub to drown their sorrows. Three words: Cross-browser Compatibility. Doing it right is thrown out the window for "make it work". but when it gets right down to the nitty gritty, the coder in the trenches determines when a piece of software is released The only time that happens in a professional IT company is when a coder screws up or says they can meet impossible deadlines. Managers should be, IMHO, developers with business and time management skills. So they should set dates and timelines which are realistic. Salesmen and marketers should not be allowed within ten feet of a production date :| what it looks like Should be the realm of designers and analysts, not developers with colour blindness and a penchant for grey on pink or red on blue. I am glad to see Microsoft has taken the proper route with the release of Windows XP (even if they did consult LEGO for the interface). how it performs Well any developer should strive for the best performance, right? Oh yes, we are special Outlaw programmers, maybe. Developers working in cubicles, definitley not. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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You keep thinking that, pillow-biter... ;P We are the voice of purity and the champions of "doing it the right" Oh yeah, Microsoft and Sun really lead us developers into pastures of purity and rightness X| Just ask any HTML developer (heck, ask Chris) about "doing it right" and they will laugh their way to the nearest pub to drown their sorrows. Three words: Cross-browser Compatibility. Doing it right is thrown out the window for "make it work". but when it gets right down to the nitty gritty, the coder in the trenches determines when a piece of software is released The only time that happens in a professional IT company is when a coder screws up or says they can meet impossible deadlines. Managers should be, IMHO, developers with business and time management skills. So they should set dates and timelines which are realistic. Salesmen and marketers should not be allowed within ten feet of a production date :| what it looks like Should be the realm of designers and analysts, not developers with colour blindness and a penchant for grey on pink or red on blue. I am glad to see Microsoft has taken the proper route with the release of Windows XP (even if they did consult LEGO for the interface). how it performs Well any developer should strive for the best performance, right? Oh yes, we are special Outlaw programmers, maybe. Developers working in cubicles, definitley not. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
I see your thoughts are clouded by the dark side. >> We are the voice of purity and the champions of "doing it the right" > > Oh yeah, Microsoft and Sun really lead us developers into pastures of > purity and rightness It is up to us to remain true to our cause. > Just ask any HTML developer (heck, ask Chris) about "doing it right" and > they will laugh their way to the nearest pub to drown their sorrows. Three > words: Cross-browser Compatibility. Doing it right is thrown out the window > for "make it work". No insult on Chris, but I don't consider HTML to be "coding", and by applications, I mean *real* applications. >> but when it gets right down to the nitty gritty, the coder in the trenches >> determines when a piece of software is released > > The only time that happens in a professional IT company is when a coder > screws up or says they can meet impossible deadlines. Wrong again. Even schedules that are "cast in stone" can be manipulated with some carefully obscure and inefficient coding. (Many times, this is done accidently, but a really *special* programmer can do it on purpose.) > Managers should be, IMHO, developers with business and time management > skills. So they should set dates and timelines which are realistic. Managers should shield the programmers from everyone else. > Salesmen and marketers should not be allowed within ten feet of a > production date Ahhh, enlightnment is but a breath away. >> what it looks like > > Should be the realm of designers and analysts, not developers with colour > blindness and a penchant for grey on pink or red on blue. I am glad to see > Microsoft has taken the proper route with the release of Windows XP (even > if they did consult LEGO for the interface). By "looks like", I meant "windows standards". >> how it performs > > Well any developer should strive for the best performance, right? Yes, but many times, the "design" intrudes in the realmn of performance. It is up to the programmer to make sure that effect is minimized. >> Oh yes, we are special > > Outlaw programmers, maybe. Developers working in cubicles, definitley not. If *you* don't think you're special, how can you expect to convince those around you that your *are*? You have a voice in the manner of things. Don't be afraid to use it. To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
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I see your thoughts are clouded by the dark side. >> We are the voice of purity and the champions of "doing it the right" > > Oh yeah, Microsoft and Sun really lead us developers into pastures of > purity and rightness It is up to us to remain true to our cause. > Just ask any HTML developer (heck, ask Chris) about "doing it right" and > they will laugh their way to the nearest pub to drown their sorrows. Three > words: Cross-browser Compatibility. Doing it right is thrown out the window > for "make it work". No insult on Chris, but I don't consider HTML to be "coding", and by applications, I mean *real* applications. >> but when it gets right down to the nitty gritty, the coder in the trenches >> determines when a piece of software is released > > The only time that happens in a professional IT company is when a coder > screws up or says they can meet impossible deadlines. Wrong again. Even schedules that are "cast in stone" can be manipulated with some carefully obscure and inefficient coding. (Many times, this is done accidently, but a really *special* programmer can do it on purpose.) > Managers should be, IMHO, developers with business and time management > skills. So they should set dates and timelines which are realistic. Managers should shield the programmers from everyone else. > Salesmen and marketers should not be allowed within ten feet of a > production date Ahhh, enlightnment is but a breath away. >> what it looks like > > Should be the realm of designers and analysts, not developers with colour > blindness and a penchant for grey on pink or red on blue. I am glad to see > Microsoft has taken the proper route with the release of Windows XP (even > if they did consult LEGO for the interface). By "looks like", I meant "windows standards". >> how it performs > > Well any developer should strive for the best performance, right? Yes, but many times, the "design" intrudes in the realmn of performance. It is up to the programmer to make sure that effect is minimized. >> Oh yes, we are special > > Outlaw programmers, maybe. Developers working in cubicles, definitley not. If *you* don't think you're special, how can you expect to convince those around you that your *are*? You have a voice in the manner of things. Don't be afraid to use it. To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
Wrong again. Even schedules that are "cast in stone" can be manipulated with some carefully obscure and inefficient coding. (Many times, this is done accidently, but a really *special* programmer can do it on purpose.) Why the hell would you want to do this? So that a .NET developer gets .NET released on his birthday? Woohooo X| Managers should shield the programmers from everyone else. Please then spread the word that us managers, who do our job, are not half wits who do nothing. If *you* don't think you're special, how can you expect to convince those around you that your *are*? You have a voice in the manner of things. Don't be afraid to use it. I am a special person, I am a unique snow flake... We all are, so is an accountant, they are people. Anyways, my bottom line point is that developers are workers just like the rest of the world. Any developer who thinks he should get special priviliges deserves to be fired. and by applications, I mean *real* applications. What is a real application then? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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I see your thoughts are clouded by the dark side. >> We are the voice of purity and the champions of "doing it the right" > > Oh yeah, Microsoft and Sun really lead us developers into pastures of > purity and rightness It is up to us to remain true to our cause. > Just ask any HTML developer (heck, ask Chris) about "doing it right" and > they will laugh their way to the nearest pub to drown their sorrows. Three > words: Cross-browser Compatibility. Doing it right is thrown out the window > for "make it work". No insult on Chris, but I don't consider HTML to be "coding", and by applications, I mean *real* applications. >> but when it gets right down to the nitty gritty, the coder in the trenches >> determines when a piece of software is released > > The only time that happens in a professional IT company is when a coder > screws up or says they can meet impossible deadlines. Wrong again. Even schedules that are "cast in stone" can be manipulated with some carefully obscure and inefficient coding. (Many times, this is done accidently, but a really *special* programmer can do it on purpose.) > Managers should be, IMHO, developers with business and time management > skills. So they should set dates and timelines which are realistic. Managers should shield the programmers from everyone else. > Salesmen and marketers should not be allowed within ten feet of a > production date Ahhh, enlightnment is but a breath away. >> what it looks like > > Should be the realm of designers and analysts, not developers with colour > blindness and a penchant for grey on pink or red on blue. I am glad to see > Microsoft has taken the proper route with the release of Windows XP (even > if they did consult LEGO for the interface). By "looks like", I meant "windows standards". >> how it performs > > Well any developer should strive for the best performance, right? Yes, but many times, the "design" intrudes in the realmn of performance. It is up to the programmer to make sure that effect is minimized. >> Oh yes, we are special > > Outlaw programmers, maybe. Developers working in cubicles, definitley not. If *you* don't think you're special, how can you expect to convince those around you that your *are*? You have a voice in the manner of things. Don't be afraid to use it. To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
What you are forgetting here John, is Paul is 21, has already moved in to management and comes from South Africa. Everything is stacked against him. ;P Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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What you are forgetting here John, is Paul is 21, has already moved in to management and comes from South Africa. Everything is stacked against him. ;P Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Look, just because I am obviously on my way to fame and fortune does not mean that you can tag along on my coat tails. ;P is Paul is 21 Damn right, so I still have my looks and stamina, grandpa. already moved in to management Hell yeah, you want power over 0's and 1's? I want power over genes and minds. comes from South Africa While this seems to be a disadvantage what you don't realise is that us SA blokes know a thing or two about battling to the top from the bottom from our years of experience in trying to keep SA going. :-D ;P :laugh: pillow biter... regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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Wrong again. Even schedules that are "cast in stone" can be manipulated with some carefully obscure and inefficient coding. (Many times, this is done accidently, but a really *special* programmer can do it on purpose.) Why the hell would you want to do this? So that a .NET developer gets .NET released on his birthday? Woohooo X| Managers should shield the programmers from everyone else. Please then spread the word that us managers, who do our job, are not half wits who do nothing. If *you* don't think you're special, how can you expect to convince those around you that your *are*? You have a voice in the manner of things. Don't be afraid to use it. I am a special person, I am a unique snow flake... We all are, so is an accountant, they are people. Anyways, my bottom line point is that developers are workers just like the rest of the world. Any developer who thinks he should get special priviliges deserves to be fired. and by applications, I mean *real* applications. What is a real application then? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
>> Even schedules that are "cast in stone" can be manipulated with some >> carefully obscure and inefficient coding. (Many times, this is done >> accidently, but a really *special* programmer can do it on purpose.) > > Why the hell would you want to do this? So that a .NET developer gets .NET > released on his birthday? Woohoo I'm certainly not going to reveal my secerets to management. :) > Please then spread the word that us managers, who do our job, are not half > wits who do nothing. I didn't say that managers are half-wits. Besides, not being a manager, I'm not concerned for their sense of self-worth. :) > I am a special person, I am a unique snow flake... Anna? Is that you? > We all are, so is an accountant, they are people. Accountants are most assuredly not "people". They're evil shap shifters from the netherworld, sent here to skin our children and consume them in large bloody chunks. > Any developer who thinks he should get special priviliges deserves to be > fired. Who said anything about special priviledges? > What is a real application then? What a great poll question... To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
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ANY digit is significant in a paycheck. :) To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
Shame! I recommend you upgrade to management then, lots of significant digits there... ;P regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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Look, just because I am obviously on my way to fame and fortune does not mean that you can tag along on my coat tails. ;P is Paul is 21 Damn right, so I still have my looks and stamina, grandpa. already moved in to management Hell yeah, you want power over 0's and 1's? I want power over genes and minds. comes from South Africa While this seems to be a disadvantage what you don't realise is that us SA blokes know a thing or two about battling to the top from the bottom from our years of experience in trying to keep SA going. :-D ;P :laugh: pillow biter... regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
Damn right, so I still have my looks and stamina, grandpa. You haven't got any stamina two-stroke. Just getting into it and it's all over. I want power over genes and minds. You must have some great drugs there in South Africa. You'll only get power over a small number of insignificants. pillow biter... I'm sorry, who has the wife and kids again? At 21 I was engaged, by 22 married and at 32 still going strong. Keep trying. :-D Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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Damn right, so I still have my looks and stamina, grandpa. You haven't got any stamina two-stroke. Just getting into it and it's all over. I want power over genes and minds. You must have some great drugs there in South Africa. You'll only get power over a small number of insignificants. pillow biter... I'm sorry, who has the wife and kids again? At 21 I was engaged, by 22 married and at 32 still going strong. Keep trying. :-D Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
You haven't got any stamina two-stroke. Just getting into it and it's all over. Two-stroke... LOL! Thats actually quite funny, must remember it. I won't respond as this could get a bit graphic. You must have some great drugs there in South Africa. You'll only get power over a small number of insignificants. So, insignificant, are you going to submit to me now, or later? I'm sorry, who has the wife and kids again? At 21 I was engaged, by 22 married and at 32 still going strong. Keep trying You just keep on running from your pillow biting past. Hide it behind the picket fence, the sunday roast and the SUV in the drive way. But remember they have you on video tape and pillow biters never really forget their desires. ;P Actually congratulations on having such a succesful marriage. It is a rare thing in this day and age. The women I am in love with now is the one for me and some day I will be walking in the chapel and spending many, many glorious years with her. While we are both tempestous and stubborn as hell I am confident it will work out and be a love affair of note. Hell, you are proof that even hard cases like you can find and keep happiness. She must be a tough and understanding woman :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge "In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001