will the Bush admin show some restrain?

zeta_theking

well obviously they're not going to come out with opens for a hug....but there is a lot that america could gain from Khadaffi..lots of oil...

Jorgen Sigvardsson

I see you are correct. I just googled for oil production and libya, and found that there is lots of untapped oil resources in libya. In fact, Khadaffi is looking for investors :) -- "We shall crush you down to the point, where there is no coming back, things will happen to you from which you could not recover if you lived a thousand years, a thousand years."

retZ

so does this mean that Bush & Co are not going to "liberate" the libyan people from this dictator ??? :rolleyes: There are no failures; there are only extended learning opportunities.

zeta_theking

certainly not...atleast not yet.) maybe ten years from now after the release of "Khadaffi gone wild", some new presential pinhead would invade libya.:)

retZ

would be interesting to see how this news affects Halliburton when market opens monday :) There are no failures; there are only extended learning opportunities.

Terry ONolley

I take it you'd rather have Libya with WMD? I guess the US just can't win. Here is one of the state sponsor's of terrorism deciding to disarm itself and you criticize it.

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zeta_theking wrote: one would think after the iraq scenerio the bush administration and the American people in general will be hesistant to embrace another dictator as a friend. Please wise-up Americans. Huh? The story was saying that dictators who give up WMD will find themselves in better standing with the US. Your read of the article is that the US is now embracing Libya as a friend. This is nowhere near reality. All it means is that Libya will move from pariah state to a more neutral position in the view of American policy. ------------------------------------------ Law of Nazi Analogies: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. In any debate, Hitler's opinion on the subject is automatically the evil one, so it had better be contrary to the side you're arguing.

JWood

That's true - I think Ghaddafi has been moving towards that for a while with the admission of bombing of the Berlin night club and the PanAm handover of two terrorists. According to FAS, they haven't had much luck in putting together a program in any case. They just don't have the techical expertise. They wanted to buy a reactor from the Russian's then it was too complicated so they wanted to buy one from the Belgians, who backed off from USA pressure. This was all in the 80's anyways.

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mystro_AKA_kokie

JWood wrote:According to FAS, they haven't had much luck in putting together a program in any case. They just don't have the techical expertise. They wanted to buy a reactor from the Russian's then it was too complicated so they wanted to buy one from the Belgians, who backed off from USA pressure. This was all in the 80's anyways. which begs the question, why are they giving him so much attention? it occured to me that the two iraq allies(britian and america) are the ones to whom this seem to be a big deal.Isn't everyone just a little sick of the WMD noise?given the fact that nothing has materilized uptil now. It's a sh*tty world. Take advantage of whomever,whenever,whereever. And oh.. becarefull what you say to me,am too sensitive.Or i might just show up at your house.i retract the latter,am trying to be a better person.

JWood

I think they are crowing about it to make the other so-called terrorist states (Syria, Palestine, Iran, etc) follow suit. But probly not gonna happen with Israel quietly sitting on 100 slightly disassembled nucular missiles. SHhhh don't tell anyone.

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mystro_AKA_kokie

JWood Wrote:I think they are crowing about it to make the other so-called terrorist states (Syria, Palestine, Iran, etc) follow suit. But probly not gonna happen with Israel quietly sitting on 100 slightly disassembled nucular missiles. SHhhh don't tell anyone. or could it be that both guys(blair and bush) are facing re-election soon and need to keep something hot on the agenda.:) are my being too scenical. It's a sh*tty world. Take advantage of whomever,whenever,whereever. And oh.. becarefull what you say to me,am too sensitive.Or i might just show up at your house.i retract the latter,am trying to be a better person.

Jorgen Sigvardsson

JWood wrote: with Israel quietly sitting on 100 slightly disassembled nucular missiles And with the butcher in power, that figure is not going to shrink either. -- "We shall crush you down to the point, where there is no coming back, things will happen to you from which you could not recover if you lived a thousand years, a thousand years."

Tomaz Stih 0

I wouldn't worry. Bush knows how to deal with these guys. Just look at Iraq. The French, Russians and Germans would have UN embrace a dictator and Bush ignored them effectively eliminating Hussein from power. As a result Gadafi practically surrendered to the UN. That's the success. But Europeans seem in big troubles now. Turkey listened to France and Germany and did not prepare for war against terrorism thinking that by preventing the northern front it would be spared. This mistake costed them a lot of lives. Let's hope this was the last dictator France and Germany embraced. Remember - Saddam Hussein in a Soviet invention in the first place. It was armed by Soviets and French and he only got military intelligence from the US. So these European countries have history of really bad choices. Tomaz

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Quit lying. France and Germany did not embrace Hussein. You've got to be on some very strong medication if you're under that impression. -- "We shall crush you down to the point, where there is no coming back, things will happen to you from which you could not recover if you lived a thousand years, a thousand years."

DRHuff

Embrace him - no. But if they had got their way he would still be dropping people into shredders.

retZ

tstih wrote: Let's hope this was the last dictator France and Germany embraced cough..cough...were General Musharaf of Pakistan and King Fahd of Saudi Arabia voted to power by popular vote ??...cough..cough ... There are no failures; there are only extended learning opportunities.

Jorgen Sigvardsson

They aren't leftist, hence they are good enough for Mr tsih. -- "We shall crush you down to the point, where there is no coming back, things will happen to you from which you could not recover if you lived a thousand years, a thousand years."

Stan Shannon

tstih wrote: So these European countries have history of really bad choices. You've got that right!

Tomaz Stih 0

But they did. And not just by supporting the regime in the United Nations (of course not by saying "we support regime", but by saying "we are against overthrowing the regime"), but by supporting terrorists and insurgents by vicious anti-american propaganda and self imposed censorship. That's how it really was. The media were full of hysteria, the television shows airing fabricated lies and promoting distorted historical facts. It went so far that France's lumpen proletarian thugs were insulting American and British tourists and Chirac was criticising small Eastern European countries for not "keeping their mouth shut". It was a Goebbels like campaign. It was transparent hatred, intolerance and brainwashing by the left. A new Kristallnacht where the imperialist turbo capitalist neo darwinist American pig was "embodied evil", and the darkest socialist regimes such as Allendes' were defended with epistemological relativism (of course, denied to the leader of the free world, not that it would need one). Europe was really very close to nazional socialism and I think we should discuss this now and not try to hide it under the carpet and pretend that it never happened. Tomaz

Tomaz Stih 0

I don't see France and Germany attacking them? Do you? Tomaz