Nuclear proliferation
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At the risk of cementing my reputation as a "Stupid American", i must ask - surely you mean something other than "we keep our stupid people in the swamp"...? :~ Z
no one puts flowers
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Shog9 wrote: At the risk of cementing my reputation as a "Stupid American", i must ask - surely you mean something other than "we keep our stupid people in the swamp"...? Nope. There's a town called Slough not too far out of London. I myself live just far enough away from it not to be affected by the stupid-radiation-field caused by the inhabitants :-) Slough is also the locale for the BBC comedy "The Office" :-D But to be fair, I don't think most Brits want to know about Slough, so an American not knowing about it at all isn't really a sign of stupidity :-) -- Ian Darling "The moral of the story is that with a contrived example, you can prove anything." - Joel Spolsky
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At the risk of cementing my reputation as a "Stupid American", i must ask - surely you mean something other than "we keep our stupid people in the swamp"...? :~ Z
no one puts flowers
on a flower's grave
http://www.slough.gov.uk/[^] I rest my case. Forget the flashy council website, visit the place and you'll see why Sir John Betjeman[^] didn't think much of it. P.S. I used to live in Maidenhead (lit: where we keep female virgins until they're old enough to venture out) so I'm of course biased... ;P Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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http://www.slough.gov.uk/[^] I rest my case. Forget the flashy council website, visit the place and you'll see why Sir John Betjeman[^] didn't think much of it. P.S. I used to live in Maidenhead (lit: where we keep female virgins until they're old enough to venture out) so I'm of course biased... ;P Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: _http://www.slough.gov.uk/\[^\]_ Yuck :-) It's like being stuck in bad childrens TV, but has no redeeming features whatsoever, like Gordon The Gopher -- Ian Darling "The moral of the story is that with a contrived example, you can prove anything." - Joel Spolsky
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: _http://www.slough.gov.uk/\[^\]_ Yuck :-) It's like being stuck in bad childrens TV, but has no redeeming features whatsoever, like Gordon The Gopher -- Ian Darling "The moral of the story is that with a contrived example, you can prove anything." - Joel Spolsky
LMAO! :laugh: And the worst bit is what you see is only the beginning. Scary. :~ Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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Brit wrote: Looks like Dr. Khan (father of the Pakistani nuclear program) is connected to the nuclear programs of North Korea, China, Iran, Iraq, and Libya. I wish all of them have nuclear bombs and they declare it .. so that there is peace in US's dumb ASSSS.. if US has right to have Nuclear bombs then y dont any other country has the same right??? everyone has a right to defend itself.. US couldnt find even single WMD in Iraq. If Iraq had nuclear weapons, US would have never invaded it because of fear. So now NUKES are becoming necessary for one's sovereignity.. Muhammad Shoaib Khan http://geocities.com/lansolution
Yes, you're right. Why shouldn't the world's most volatile region have nukes? Just because it's ruled by a rotating sequence of dictators, theocracies, and extremists is no reason they shouldn't have nukes. Just because Saddam Hussein kills hundreds of thousands of his own people doesn't mean he can't be trusted with nukes. Just because Syria killed 30,000+ people in the city of Hama[^ doesn't mean they aren't responsible leaders. Here in the US, we allow people to have guns. But we don't allow felons to have guns. Now, I'm sure that, just like you, the felons are complaining "This is bullshit. Other people get to have guns." You don't have to be a brain surgeon to realize how straight forward and levelheaded the "felons cannot have guns" idea is. Yet, when it comes to the idea of nukes in the Middle East, you all want to say, "This is bullshit. Other people get to have nukes." And it sounds just as stupid as when the felons say it. If you'd pull your head out of your ass long enough to notice that you're only acting on nationalistic tendencies, rather than any approximation of logic you'd know that nuclear proliferation is a problem and nuclear proliferation in the Middle East is the biggest part of that problem. ------------------------------------------ Law of Nazi Analogies: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. In any debate, Hitler's opinion on the subject is automatically the evil one, so it had better be contrary to the side you're arguing.
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Yes, you're right. Why shouldn't the world's most volatile region have nukes? Just because it's ruled by a rotating sequence of dictators, theocracies, and extremists is no reason they shouldn't have nukes. Just because Saddam Hussein kills hundreds of thousands of his own people doesn't mean he can't be trusted with nukes. Just because Syria killed 30,000+ people in the city of Hama[^ doesn't mean they aren't responsible leaders. Here in the US, we allow people to have guns. But we don't allow felons to have guns. Now, I'm sure that, just like you, the felons are complaining "This is bullshit. Other people get to have guns." You don't have to be a brain surgeon to realize how straight forward and levelheaded the "felons cannot have guns" idea is. Yet, when it comes to the idea of nukes in the Middle East, you all want to say, "This is bullshit. Other people get to have nukes." And it sounds just as stupid as when the felons say it. If you'd pull your head out of your ass long enough to notice that you're only acting on nationalistic tendencies, rather than any approximation of logic you'd know that nuclear proliferation is a problem and nuclear proliferation in the Middle East is the biggest part of that problem. ------------------------------------------ Law of Nazi Analogies: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. In any debate, Hitler's opinion on the subject is automatically the evil one, so it had better be contrary to the side you're arguing.
u people call yourself responsible???? huh... targeting Japan's two cities with your NUKES?? US is supporting ISRAEL to kill innocent child in palestine.[^] ISRAEL has nukes but u dont bother about it.. u call them responsible???????????? huh shame on you.. why do u call IRAN irresponsible?? just because they dont give a shit to you.. or they openly apppose Israeli policies.. The university where i am studying was founded by Dr. Khan i.e Father of Pakistani Nuclear bomb.. and i personally know people from Pakistan Atomic Energy commission who were somehow associated with Pakistan's nuclear program.. and i feel proud of them. US imposed sanctions on my univ in past due to link with Pakistani Nuclear program and research work done on missile and nuclear tech in univ (according to them).. There is not even a single course on nuclear physics taught in this univ.. NOW people from here are serving around the world.. and yes i am proud of this connection.. Muhammad Shoaib Khan http://geocities.com/lansolution
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Even if you're potentially right (my knowledge on this subject is too limited to be more affirmative), I don't see how this could be an apology for the behaviour of ISI, especially with its relationship with Al-qaeda.
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
Kaßl wrote: Even if you're potentially right He is wrong lying. It's ridiculous to even suggest that India would commit acts of terrorism on its own people. Bah! Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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IT IS INDIA , not the PAKISTAN which is center of terror.. the terror they have created in State of Jammu and kashmir, supressing innocent people to live under their rule without their will, killing dozens of innocent kashmiris daily.. PAKISTAN has to work on NUCLEAR weapons just becuase of these terrorist acts of INDIA; to defend itself against any such evil power. and talking about USA, why dont they take any action against ISRAEL when it is supressing people of palestine???? Muhammad Shoaib Khan http://geocities.com/lansolution
Why don't you try to take your head out of your butt and breathe some fresh air? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Why don't you try to take your head out of your butt and breathe some fresh air? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
well i always breath in fresh air.. but i guess u need to take ur mouth out of your LORD mother COW's shit and eat something better.. or may b u have lost ur senses with its baaad smell Muhammad Shoaib Khan http://geocities.com/lansolution
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Why don't you try to take your head out of your butt and breathe some fresh air? Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
well i always breath in fresh air.. but i guess u need to take ur mouth out of your LORD mother COW's shit and eat something better.. or may b u have lost ur senses with its baaad smell Muhammad Shoaib Khan http://geocities.com/lansolution
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Kaßl wrote: Even if you're potentially right He is wrong lying. It's ridiculous to even suggest that India would commit acts of terrorism on its own people. Bah! Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Honestly, I'm not aware enough to be able to have an opinion on this subject. However, it would be really good if India and Pakistan were able to settle their problems a civilized way, I mean, without any guerilla or armed conflict. Generations will probably needed to people from both sides to forget their negative feeling toward the other, but it has to start now. IMHO, of course.
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
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well i always breath in fresh air.. but i guess u need to take ur mouth out of your LORD mother COW's shit and eat something better.. or may b u have lost ur senses with its baaad smell Muhammad Shoaib Khan http://geocities.com/lansolution
What a lame comeback. :| M.Shoaib Khan wrote: LORD mother COW's sh*t If you start doing that, it'd be an improvement for you too. M.Shoaib Khan wrote: and eat something better.. I already do. Pork. You should try it too, sometime. But if you do so, you'll have to give up fantasizing about those 72 virgins, which you were not going to get anyway, since the mullah already raped them because he got horny after he saw their bare hands. You should cover your virgins in pig skins instead of burqas. That way even if they take out their hands to tease you, the mullahs won't touch them. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Honestly, I'm not aware enough to be able to have an opinion on this subject. However, it would be really good if India and Pakistan were able to settle their problems a civilized way, I mean, without any guerilla or armed conflict. Generations will probably needed to people from both sides to forget their negative feeling toward the other, but it has to start now. IMHO, of course.
Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Tous les remords n'y changeront rien Le temps se perd, "Si" n'existe pas Donc à présent le choix reste mien
I am in full agreement with you. In fact, India and Pakistan have jointly initiated talks to solve the problem and are making progress. Trade has resumed, buses, trains, and planes are now going from one country to the other, cultural exchange is taking place, etc. Note that India had broken all ties with Pakistan two years back after the Pakistani sponsored attack on our parliament building. But fortunately politicians realised that this is not a solution to the problem, and things are now going to get better, hopefully. I want a peaceful solution too. I am of the opinion that hatred breeds more hatred. But if I see someone making unjustified claims about my country, taking advantage of the fact that others don't know enough one way or the other, I need to stand up and say hello to the guy. :) I also don't understand why a Pakistani needs to say "but look at India, they slaughter their people by the millions, they are the terrorists, not us" whenever someone says something about them. Clearly they don't have anything to say in their defense. All they can do is distract people by changing the topic. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
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Stan Shannon wrote: If we were going to fight a war against the source of 9/11 type terror (which, lets face the truth, effectively means a war on Islam itself How do u relate 9/11 and islam?? Islam strongly condemns killing innocent people as in 9/11 case. According to islam a killer of innocent person (be it christian or muslim) is sentenced to death.. btw who in this world give this right that US can have nuclear weapons which she can use against Japan ( a terrorist act), but Pakistan, Iran or any other state can't have??? you call Iran terrorist because she is against Israel???? Why US helps Israel in its terrorist acts agaisnt palestinian people??? isnt it the terrorist act of US that it invaded Iraq despite it couldnt find ANY SINGLE WMD?? Muhammad Shoaib Khan http://geocities.com/lansolution
M.Shoaib Khan wrote: Islam strongly condemns killing innocent people as in 9/11 case. According to islam a killer of innocent person (be it christian or muslim) is sentenced to death.. You guys keep saying that, but the murderers of 3000+ Americans, who did their killing in the name of your religion, are probably somewhere in your country. Have you spent any time trying to find them? I can assure you that if a religious fanatic who had killed 3000 of your countrymen in the name of my religion were hiding somewhere in my country I would be demanding that the government find them and punish them. But then, I'm a Christian. You Muslims talk the talk, but you don't seem to have enough manhood to walk the walk. M.Shoaib Khan wrote: btw who in this world give this right that US can have nuclear weapons which she can use against Japan ( a terrorist act), but Pakistan, Iran or any other state can't have??? We did. And the world is a better place for it. M.Shoaib Khan wrote: Why US helps Israel in its terrorist acts agaisnt palestinian people??? Because a billion Muslims are dedicated to the destruction of Israel. M.Shoaib Khan wrote: ??? isnt it the terrorist act of US that it invaded Iraq despite it couldnt find ANY SINGLE WMD?? No, it was an act of cleaning up a mess that your "civilization" should have taken care of long ago. Millions of westerners died to stop a western tyrant named Hitler. When will a million Muslims have the courage to stand up and destroy the evil spewing out of your culture? Until you do that, don't expect me to have any respect for you or your religion. Talk is cheap, and bible (or Koran) thumpers are a dime a dozen.
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I am in full agreement with you. In fact, India and Pakistan have jointly initiated talks to solve the problem and are making progress. Trade has resumed, buses, trains, and planes are now going from one country to the other, cultural exchange is taking place, etc. Note that India had broken all ties with Pakistan two years back after the Pakistani sponsored attack on our parliament building. But fortunately politicians realised that this is not a solution to the problem, and things are now going to get better, hopefully. I want a peaceful solution too. I am of the opinion that hatred breeds more hatred. But if I see someone making unjustified claims about my country, taking advantage of the fact that others don't know enough one way or the other, I need to stand up and say hello to the guy. :) I also don't understand why a Pakistani needs to say "but look at India, they slaughter their people by the millions, they are the terrorists, not us" whenever someone says something about them. Clearly they don't have anything to say in their defense. All they can do is distract people by changing the topic. Regards, Rohit Sinha Browsy
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person. - Mother Teresa
Rohit Sinha wrote: India, they slaughter their people by the millions Thats the fact which you yourself admit.. You are NOT killing so called "Your own people" .. u r killing people of Kashmir which was supposed to be a part of Pakistan ACCORDING TO UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTIONS which gives people of kashmir the RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION. you are depriving them from their right of freedom. Just in last 12 year , INDIA has killed more than 15,000 people in Kashmir and there have been severe Human rights violations in kashmir reported by nuetral human right bodies like Amnesty International.. u want people to have blind eye on that??? Life of 15,000 people doesnt mean ANYTHING to you?? :mad: Muhammad Shoaib Khan http://geocities.com/lansolution
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Brit wrote: Looks like Dr. Khan (father of the Pakistani nuclear program) is connected to the nuclear programs of North Korea, China, Iran, Iraq, and Libya. I wish all of them have nuclear bombs and they declare it .. so that there is peace in US's dumb ASSSS.. if US has right to have Nuclear bombs then y dont any other country has the same right??? everyone has a right to defend itself.. US couldnt find even single WMD in Iraq. If Iraq had nuclear weapons, US would have never invaded it because of fear. So now NUKES are becoming necessary for one's sovereignity.. Muhammad Shoaib Khan http://geocities.com/lansolution
M.Shoaib Khan wrote: if US has right to have Nuclear bombs then y dont any other country has the same right??? everyone has a right to defend itself.. US couldnt find even single WMD in Iraq. If Iraq had nuclear weapons, US would have never invaded it because of fear. So now NUKES are becoming necessary for one's sovereignity.. I agree with you on this. No country in world even with Largest miltary might can invade another country which has Nuclear weapons. Deepak Khajuria
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Rohit Sinha wrote: India, they slaughter their people by the millions Thats the fact which you yourself admit.. You are NOT killing so called "Your own people" .. u r killing people of Kashmir which was supposed to be a part of Pakistan ACCORDING TO UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTIONS which gives people of kashmir the RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION. you are depriving them from their right of freedom. Just in last 12 year , INDIA has killed more than 15,000 people in Kashmir and there have been severe Human rights violations in kashmir reported by nuetral human right bodies like Amnesty International.. u want people to have blind eye on that??? Life of 15,000 people doesnt mean ANYTHING to you?? :mad: Muhammad Shoaib Khan http://geocities.com/lansolution
M.Shoaib Khan wrote: ACCORDING TO UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTIONS which gives people of kashmir the RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION. you are depriving them from their right of freedom. How can you talk of this when you cannot choose you own president ? For how long your country had democratically elected head for last 50 yrs ? J&K has fully democratically elected gov. Further Resolution says that plebiscite should be held in whole of J&K ? What about POK and part of it acceded to China ? Are you going to ask China to return it ? Deepak Khajuria
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Yes, you're right. Why shouldn't the world's most volatile region have nukes? Just because it's ruled by a rotating sequence of dictators, theocracies, and extremists is no reason they shouldn't have nukes. Just because Saddam Hussein kills hundreds of thousands of his own people doesn't mean he can't be trusted with nukes. Just because Syria killed 30,000+ people in the city of Hama[^ doesn't mean they aren't responsible leaders. Here in the US, we allow people to have guns. But we don't allow felons to have guns. Now, I'm sure that, just like you, the felons are complaining "This is bullshit. Other people get to have guns." You don't have to be a brain surgeon to realize how straight forward and levelheaded the "felons cannot have guns" idea is. Yet, when it comes to the idea of nukes in the Middle East, you all want to say, "This is bullshit. Other people get to have nukes." And it sounds just as stupid as when the felons say it. If you'd pull your head out of your ass long enough to notice that you're only acting on nationalistic tendencies, rather than any approximation of logic you'd know that nuclear proliferation is a problem and nuclear proliferation in the Middle East is the biggest part of that problem. ------------------------------------------ Law of Nazi Analogies: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. In any debate, Hitler's opinion on the subject is automatically the evil one, so it had better be contrary to the side you're arguing.
Brit wrote: But we don't allow felons to have guns. You don't?, then all those killings by guns each year are performed by law abiding citizens?, wow... Ok, I am certainly not for nuclear weapons, but it IS hypocrasy to ban other countries from having nukes while at the same time abstaining from getting rid of you own. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Rohit Sinha wrote: India, they slaughter their people by the millions Thats the fact which you yourself admit.. You are NOT killing so called "Your own people" .. u r killing people of Kashmir which was supposed to be a part of Pakistan ACCORDING TO UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTIONS which gives people of kashmir the RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION. you are depriving them from their right of freedom. Just in last 12 year , INDIA has killed more than 15,000 people in Kashmir and there have been severe Human rights violations in kashmir reported by nuetral human right bodies like Amnesty International.. u want people to have blind eye on that??? Life of 15,000 people doesnt mean ANYTHING to you?? :mad: Muhammad Shoaib Khan http://geocities.com/lansolution
M.Shoaib Khan wrote: You are NOT killing so called "Your own people" .. u r killing people of Kashmir which was supposed to be a part of Pakistan ACCORDING TO UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTIONS which gives people of kashmir the RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION. you are depriving them from their right of freedom. So according to you, their right of freedom means being assimilated by the Pakis. Besides, I don't understand why the Pakis keep whining about the UN resolution after they signed the Simla agreement. Remember the Simla agreement? Or is it more convenient for you to forget about it now? And how about the right of self determination of the people living in the Pak occupied Kashmir, huh? As far as the right of self determination of our people is concerned, they made their choice by voting for a democratically elected government in their state. Despite efforts by the Hurriyat to make the elections a failure by threatening anyone who goes out to vote, there was a turnout of up to 60%. How about that? Still think people want to join the beggar ass of Pakistan who can't even manage to go a few weeks without US aid if they don't want to starve their people terrorists people? M.Shoaib Khan wrote: Just in last 12 year , INDIA has killed more than 15,000 people in Kashmir and there have been severe Human rights violations in kashmir reported by nuetral human right bodies like Amnesty International.. The actual figure is something like 48,000 and they have been killed by the Paki terrorists trained inside the Paki territory in the training camps run and setup by the Paki government. All this started after the Paki govt. realised in the 1990's that the Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) wanted Kashmir to be an independent state/country rather than being assimilated by Pakistan. So the Paki government financed and encouraged the setup of Hizbul Mujahideen which is a terrorist organisation responsible for all these killing and operates from Lahore and Islamabad (in Pakistan). Hizbul Mujahideena and many other such organisations, also financed, supported and formed by the Paki government, have been declared terrorist organisations by the US. The comment about neutral human right bodies is a lie and another part of your typical Paki propaganda to mix lies with the truth. Of course there have been violations. But the ones responsible for these violations are your people terrorists. One incident that still ma
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: You forget: Most people here have stroked themselves into a group-think opinion that Iraq has no WMD and that the USA is evil. At least we only stroked ourselves into a group-think (what ever that is) as opposed to you who seems to have been stroking inside the underpants or maybe smoking the insides of your underpants. Saddam was bad but not the worst dictator going around. He was convenient in that even the rednecks knew his name when they heard it due to Georgie Senior back in 90/91. He was in a part of the world with oil which is what y'all really give a shit about. And he hadn't been able to get back anywhere near full strength militry or wacko wise meaning he was easier to beat than many of the other dictator lead regimes elsewhere in the world. I still want to see the WMD, and you come up with some new material. It's old, like watching Jackie Gleason reruns. Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
Michael Martin wrote: we ... stroked ourselves into a group-think An admission vrs. Michael Martin wrote: as opposed to you who seems to have been stroking inside the underpants or maybe smoking the insides of your underpants. A simple insult. Good of you to either admit to engaging in group-think or in admitting you are too ignorant to understand what group-think is. Michael Martin wrote: Saddam was bad but not the worst dictator going around. I'm sure you are right. There are probably plenty of other dictators who dumped nerve gas on their own villages and killed hundreds of thousands of their citizens, invaded or attacked 4 of their neighbors and attempted to assasinate a former president of the US. Michael Martin wrote: He was in a part of the world with oil which is what y'all really give a sh*t about. Access to petroleum is a national security interest of all industrialized nations. I see you are trying to insult all Americans by interjecting the words "redneck" and "y'all" in places. Good to see you taking the high-road here! Michael Martin wrote: And he hadn't been able to get back anywhere near full strength militry or wacko wise meaning he was easier to beat than many of the other dictator lead regimes elsewhere in the world. We went after Saddam to gain a ground-force foothold in the heart of the middle east from which we can bring diplomatic and military pressure to bear on Syria and Iran. You can cry all you want but, even with a billion people like you in the world who act as advocates for people like Saddam Hussein, you won't stop the middle east from turning into a region that is free, democratic and intolerant of terrorism. You will benefit from this - even while you bitch and mewl about the process that will make this possible. I'm sure you'll get some great scores for your post though! Since you were engaging in childish flaming against an anti-Saddam person, you will be richly rewarded.
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