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  • R Ray Gregory

    Fascinating, but isn't carbon based computation / intelligence a little too retro?:rolleyes:

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    I'm hoping carbon based intelligence makes a serious resurgence myself. ;)


    I, for one, do not think the problem was that the band was down. I think that the problem may have been that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf.
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    • R Roger Wright

      This very long (6 pages) article[^] details the development of two processes for making perfect diamonds. It's a very long piece, but worth a read. The artificial shortage of natural gem-quality diamonds mantained for decades by De Beers is seriously threatened, and suggestions of asassination have been heard in the marketplace. Fascinating stuff, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out for the next few years. Why would you be interested? Because the outcome is going to decide what kind of machines you'll be programming in the next decade or so. Silicon as a medium for electronic computing devices is near its end of life. The heat generated by higher processing rates will exceed the melting point of the Si CPUs very soon, if present trends continue. Diamond is such a perfect conductor of heat, and has so much higher a melting point, that it is the perfect material to use for future designs. One of the processes, in particular, has great promise. Because it is based on crystal growth using Carbon Vapor Deposition (CVD), the process should be easier to modify to add dopants to create N- and P-type regions suitable for constructing semiconducting junctions, and from them, useful logic circuits. "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.

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      This has been progressingfor years. Industrial diamond dust is nearly all synthetic these days adn de Beers keeps trying to find differences between natural and synthetic gemstones but the qualtiy of synthetics keeps improving. Elaine :rose: Diamond is a processors best friend :laugh:

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        This has been progressingfor years. Industrial diamond dust is nearly all synthetic these days adn de Beers keeps trying to find differences between natural and synthetic gemstones but the qualtiy of synthetics keeps improving. Elaine :rose: Diamond is a processors best friend :laugh:

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        Colin Angus Mackay
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        The way I see it is that if it is not possible for an ordinary person to tell the difference what does it matter if it is made in to rings. I think even if people were told this is natural or this is synthetic then there would be a market for both. Like the article said, some people will like the idea that the diamond is synthetic in the same people would prefer to wear a synthetic fur coat. --Colin Mackay--

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          This has been progressingfor years. Industrial diamond dust is nearly all synthetic these days adn de Beers keeps trying to find differences between natural and synthetic gemstones but the qualtiy of synthetics keeps improving. Elaine :rose: Diamond is a processors best friend :laugh:

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          Roger Wright
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          We're not talking dust here - these are 3+ carat, perfect diamonds in any color you want! No inclusions, no flaws...:-D "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.

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          • R Roger Wright

            This very long (6 pages) article[^] details the development of two processes for making perfect diamonds. It's a very long piece, but worth a read. The artificial shortage of natural gem-quality diamonds mantained for decades by De Beers is seriously threatened, and suggestions of asassination have been heard in the marketplace. Fascinating stuff, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out for the next few years. Why would you be interested? Because the outcome is going to decide what kind of machines you'll be programming in the next decade or so. Silicon as a medium for electronic computing devices is near its end of life. The heat generated by higher processing rates will exceed the melting point of the Si CPUs very soon, if present trends continue. Diamond is such a perfect conductor of heat, and has so much higher a melting point, that it is the perfect material to use for future designs. One of the processes, in particular, has great promise. Because it is based on crystal growth using Carbon Vapor Deposition (CVD), the process should be easier to modify to add dopants to create N- and P-type regions suitable for constructing semiconducting junctions, and from them, useful logic circuits. "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.

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            Joe Woodbury
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            Ah, something I can brag about that doesn't directly concern me. The first artificial diamonds were created at GE using a press invented by Tracy Hall. My Dad, a fairly new GE employee, was the first person to duplicate another person's claim to diamond making. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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            • R Roger Wright

              This very long (6 pages) article[^] details the development of two processes for making perfect diamonds. It's a very long piece, but worth a read. The artificial shortage of natural gem-quality diamonds mantained for decades by De Beers is seriously threatened, and suggestions of asassination have been heard in the marketplace. Fascinating stuff, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out for the next few years. Why would you be interested? Because the outcome is going to decide what kind of machines you'll be programming in the next decade or so. Silicon as a medium for electronic computing devices is near its end of life. The heat generated by higher processing rates will exceed the melting point of the Si CPUs very soon, if present trends continue. Diamond is such a perfect conductor of heat, and has so much higher a melting point, that it is the perfect material to use for future designs. One of the processes, in particular, has great promise. Because it is based on crystal growth using Carbon Vapor Deposition (CVD), the process should be easier to modify to add dopants to create N- and P-type regions suitable for constructing semiconducting junctions, and from them, useful logic circuits. "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.

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              Joel Holdsworth
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              Wow that's the most interesting article I've read in ages. Thanks!Thing i think the industry is being short sighted here - you could make beer bottles out of diamonds! [and then dispose them by burning them in liquid O2] but there seems a coyness to treat them that way. Joel Holdsworth

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              • R Roger Wright

                This very long (6 pages) article[^] details the development of two processes for making perfect diamonds. It's a very long piece, but worth a read. The artificial shortage of natural gem-quality diamonds mantained for decades by De Beers is seriously threatened, and suggestions of asassination have been heard in the marketplace. Fascinating stuff, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out for the next few years. Why would you be interested? Because the outcome is going to decide what kind of machines you'll be programming in the next decade or so. Silicon as a medium for electronic computing devices is near its end of life. The heat generated by higher processing rates will exceed the melting point of the Si CPUs very soon, if present trends continue. Diamond is such a perfect conductor of heat, and has so much higher a melting point, that it is the perfect material to use for future designs. One of the processes, in particular, has great promise. Because it is based on crystal growth using Carbon Vapor Deposition (CVD), the process should be easier to modify to add dopants to create N- and P-type regions suitable for constructing semiconducting junctions, and from them, useful logic circuits. "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.

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                KevinMac
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                If De Beers wants to get rid of any of those junky man made diamonds I would be glad to help them out. Just think even on my busted programmer pay I can have more bling than a rap star.

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                • R Roger Wright

                  This very long (6 pages) article[^] details the development of two processes for making perfect diamonds. It's a very long piece, but worth a read. The artificial shortage of natural gem-quality diamonds mantained for decades by De Beers is seriously threatened, and suggestions of asassination have been heard in the marketplace. Fascinating stuff, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out for the next few years. Why would you be interested? Because the outcome is going to decide what kind of machines you'll be programming in the next decade or so. Silicon as a medium for electronic computing devices is near its end of life. The heat generated by higher processing rates will exceed the melting point of the Si CPUs very soon, if present trends continue. Diamond is such a perfect conductor of heat, and has so much higher a melting point, that it is the perfect material to use for future designs. One of the processes, in particular, has great promise. Because it is based on crystal growth using Carbon Vapor Deposition (CVD), the process should be easier to modify to add dopants to create N- and P-type regions suitable for constructing semiconducting junctions, and from them, useful logic circuits. "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.

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                  I remember reading a 3 or 4 page article about this in September or Octobers issue of Wired mag. [worldspawn]

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                  • W worldspawn

                    I remember reading a 3 or 4 page article about this in September or Octobers issue of Wired mag. [worldspawn]

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                    ...of course after clicking on ur link i know realise it is the same article... [worldspawn]

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                    • C Colin Angus Mackay

                      The way I see it is that if it is not possible for an ordinary person to tell the difference what does it matter if it is made in to rings. I think even if people were told this is natural or this is synthetic then there would be a market for both. Like the article said, some people will like the idea that the diamond is synthetic in the same people would prefer to wear a synthetic fur coat. --Colin Mackay--

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                      nssone
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                      God, what's wrong with you? It's all about the females, they need to know that the rock on their finger is a real diamond, even if you don't care. They need to know you spent a buttload of money on them that has absolutely nothing to do with your relationship.


                      Who am I? Currently: A Programming Student trying to survive school with plan to go on to Univeristy of Advancing Technology to study game design. Main career interest include: Multimedia and game programming. Working on an outside project: A game for the GamePark32 (GP32) portable gaming console. My website: www.GP32US.com

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                      • R Roger Wright

                        This very long (6 pages) article[^] details the development of two processes for making perfect diamonds. It's a very long piece, but worth a read. The artificial shortage of natural gem-quality diamonds mantained for decades by De Beers is seriously threatened, and suggestions of asassination have been heard in the marketplace. Fascinating stuff, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out for the next few years. Why would you be interested? Because the outcome is going to decide what kind of machines you'll be programming in the next decade or so. Silicon as a medium for electronic computing devices is near its end of life. The heat generated by higher processing rates will exceed the melting point of the Si CPUs very soon, if present trends continue. Diamond is such a perfect conductor of heat, and has so much higher a melting point, that it is the perfect material to use for future designs. One of the processes, in particular, has great promise. Because it is based on crystal growth using Carbon Vapor Deposition (CVD), the process should be easier to modify to add dopants to create N- and P-type regions suitable for constructing semiconducting junctions, and from them, useful logic circuits. "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.

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                        Hate to say it, but since no one else did: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=581089&searchkw=diamond&sd=8%2F8%2F2003&ed=1%2F6%2F2004#xx581089xx[^] http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=624815&searchkw=diamond&sd=8%2F8%2F2003&ed=1%2F6%2F2004#xx624815xx[^] http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=580629#xx580629xx[^] ------------------------------------------ Law of Nazi Analogies: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. In any debate, Hitler's opinion on the subject is automatically the evil one, so it had better be contrary to the side you're arguing.

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                        • R Roger Wright

                          This very long (6 pages) article[^] details the development of two processes for making perfect diamonds. It's a very long piece, but worth a read. The artificial shortage of natural gem-quality diamonds mantained for decades by De Beers is seriously threatened, and suggestions of asassination have been heard in the marketplace. Fascinating stuff, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out for the next few years. Why would you be interested? Because the outcome is going to decide what kind of machines you'll be programming in the next decade or so. Silicon as a medium for electronic computing devices is near its end of life. The heat generated by higher processing rates will exceed the melting point of the Si CPUs very soon, if present trends continue. Diamond is such a perfect conductor of heat, and has so much higher a melting point, that it is the perfect material to use for future designs. One of the processes, in particular, has great promise. Because it is based on crystal growth using Carbon Vapor Deposition (CVD), the process should be easier to modify to add dopants to create N- and P-type regions suitable for constructing semiconducting junctions, and from them, useful logic circuits. "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.

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                          Weingarten the jewel dealer says - "these stones will bankrupt the industry." Good job, the cheaper the better. The sooner we get rid of fans in PC's the better. Either it by a static diamond heat sink or carbon based processor I dont care just stop the whirring noise. :(( What is beyond the universe?

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                            The way I see it is that if it is not possible for an ordinary person to tell the difference what does it matter if it is made in to rings. I think even if people were told this is natural or this is synthetic then there would be a market for both. Like the article said, some people will like the idea that the diamond is synthetic in the same people would prefer to wear a synthetic fur coat. --Colin Mackay--

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                            Paul Watson
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                            I wonder if similar spin for synthetic diamonds can be used as for synthetic fur? People seem to care more about slaughtered animals than ravaged land though. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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                              Weingarten the jewel dealer says - "these stones will bankrupt the industry." Good job, the cheaper the better. The sooner we get rid of fans in PC's the better. Either it by a static diamond heat sink or carbon based processor I dont care just stop the whirring noise. :(( What is beyond the universe?

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                              Roger Wright
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                              An integrated diamond heat sink and substrate would be ideal. At least, for a while, convection may be enough to keep the thing from melting down! Silence, at last...:-D "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.

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                                Weingarten the jewel dealer says - "these stones will bankrupt the industry." Good job, the cheaper the better. The sooner we get rid of fans in PC's the better. Either it by a static diamond heat sink or carbon based processor I dont care just stop the whirring noise. :(( What is beyond the universe?

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                                You should try the AOpen box my dad has. He asked me to fit a new HD awhile back. I walked into the room, did not hear a thing, unclipped the panels, did not hear a thing, reached for the IDE cable and a knuckle brushed the CPU fan. Zing! The damned machine was on! Gave me such a fright. Helluva quite machine that. My point being; Fans can be made quite :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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                                  God, what's wrong with you? It's all about the females, they need to know that the rock on their finger is a real diamond, even if you don't care. They need to know you spent a buttload of money on them that has absolutely nothing to do with your relationship.


                                  Who am I? Currently: A Programming Student trying to survive school with plan to go on to Univeristy of Advancing Technology to study game design. Main career interest include: Multimedia and game programming. Working on an outside project: A game for the GamePark32 (GP32) portable gaming console. My website: www.GP32US.com

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                                  Colin Angus Mackay
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                                  If the relationship hangs on how big and expensive a diamond you give then I don't think much of the relationship. --Colin Mackay--

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                                    An integrated diamond heat sink and substrate would be ideal. At least, for a while, convection may be enough to keep the thing from melting down! Silence, at last...:-D "Another day done - All targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly" - Jennie A.

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                                    What's that you say? Sorry, I can't hear you above the fan noise :) Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003

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                                      You should try the AOpen box my dad has. He asked me to fit a new HD awhile back. I walked into the room, did not hear a thing, unclipped the panels, did not hear a thing, reached for the IDE cable and a knuckle brushed the CPU fan. Zing! The damned machine was on! Gave me such a fright. Helluva quite machine that. My point being; Fans can be made quite :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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                                      Nick Seng
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                                      Paul Watson wrote: quite Paul Watson wrote: quite must.....resist...... ;P


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                                        You should try the AOpen box my dad has. He asked me to fit a new HD awhile back. I walked into the room, did not hear a thing, unclipped the panels, did not hear a thing, reached for the IDE cable and a knuckle brushed the CPU fan. Zing! The damned machine was on! Gave me such a fright. Helluva quite machine that. My point being; Fans can be made quite :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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                                        Colin Angus Mackay
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                                        Paul Watson wrote: My point being; Fans can be made quiet Yes, but people buy cheap machines. And if you buy cheap machines then corners have to be cut and the fan is one of the easiest. --Colin Mackay--

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                                          Paul Watson wrote: My point being; Fans can be made quiet Yes, but people buy cheap machines. And if you buy cheap machines then corners have to be cut and the fan is one of the easiest. --Colin Mackay--

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                                          I get your point but just so you know, that AOpen box was the cheapest on offer. The other thing is that if people buy cheap then they should expect cheap. I have no sympathy for people who buy cheap and then complain because it falls apart or is noisy or is not as svelte as a G5. And since you are a pro I am quite sure you know all too well that cheap fans cost dearly in the long run. We have a stack of cheap fans in the cupboard, I cannot convince the boss to buy better quality even though every month at least one of the machines in the office gets it's fan replaced. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...

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