Knob Jockeys
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>Right now in the UK there is a huge backlash against PC-ness relating to Kilroy. WTF? Depends which newspaper you read mate! Kilroys article was out-and-out racism - he tarred all Arabs with the same brush. He is now hiding behind the whole "Freedom of Speech" argument which IMHO makes him look even worse. He is in a position of responsibility and his show is on a public-funded TV channel. Do I want my license fee funding a racists tawdry daytime talk show? No thanks. He is entitled to his opinion but his whining about the BBC pulling his show is pathetic - did he really expect any less? Yes, the BBC is often way too PC for my liking - as is this crappy New Labour government - but Kilroy dropped a great big bollock and deserves to suffer for it! His performance on lasts nights "Tonight" show made me want to vomit.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: WTF? Depends which newspaper you read mate! That's true. All I'm saying is the Kilroy thing has put a match to the debate about PC, not just about racism and the middle east. Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Do I want my license fee funding a racists tawdry daytime talk show? If we could chose, perhaps we would not even pay for BBC in the first place... The BBC let off Tom Paulin when he made racist comments about Jews. So for that reason I would rather not fund them. Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Kilroy dropped a great big bollock Did he do it on purpose? It's a big gamble. The fact that we think it is stupid doesn't mean he won't get more popular. It will be a bad sign if he does :(
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...now this is why i'm leary about being too obvious with my name online... :|
But in the end, it's all just database access right? And that stuff is just plain boring.
- David Stone, not a programming question but...
Shog9 wrote: i'm leary I didn't understand that so I looked up "leary": United States psychologist who experimented with psychoactive drugs (including LSD) and became a well-known advocate of their use (1920-1996) Did you mean "wary"? --Colin Mackay--
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Shog9 wrote: i'm leary I didn't understand that so I looked up "leary": United States psychologist who experimented with psychoactive drugs (including LSD) and became a well-known advocate of their use (1920-1996) Did you mean "wary"? --Colin Mackay--
Actually, i meant to use "leery" :-O
But in the end, it's all just database access right? And that stuff is just plain boring.
- David Stone, not a programming question but...
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For those born without reasoning, a sense of humour or are from outside Australia I will explain the term Knob Jockey. A jockey is someone (more often then not a man) who rides something for a living. A knob is a cock, dick, john thomas or what ever you call a penis. So therefore a Knob Jockey is a bloke who rides another blokes dick for a living or enjoyment. Seems I'm running into Knob Jockeys everywhere I go these days, work, the shops, on a mailing list of a professional associaltion I pay money to be a member of. Now I know they exist, I know I will run into them, I know I should just walk away and pretend I didn't see tham or acknowledge them. But WHY am I drawn to argue with them like a moth is drawn to the flame. Every fibre of my being is telling me to be smart and let it all go as in most cases it's not that important. But NO I have to get into an arguement, I have to tear them apart, point out how stupid they are, dance around and point while making fun of them. I can't help it, really, even when I'm cutting off my nose to spite my face I still do it. Does anyone else suffer from this? Or did you grow out of it? Never have it? I was set off on this particular occasion by an amail I sent to said professional mailing list. To get my job done and keep my project rolling I have to bypass a bit of IT policy and get my computers connected to the internet. As I can't connect these non company computers to the network I have connected a company machine instead. Then stuck a second NIC in and setup ICS to give my little LAN access to the internet but not the corporate network. I am wanting to block instant messaging and online game playing from happening with no network admin access or hardware to get it going. SoI ask for help from the experts, acknowledge my situation, the fact I am bending the rules and that I only want technical answers and not policy lectures. So what do you think I got? And how successful do you thihkn I was from refraining when it came to telling these wankers what I thought? Some of these wankers have openly said they hope my company admins are members (like their bright enough for that) have seen the email and come afdter me. Or that other members might track down who I work for (could be done from the mail archive) and dob me in. In 'Cut off nose to spite face' mode I have told the list I at least know which people to track down first myself if it turns out I lose my job. Michael Martin Australia
Michael Martin wrote: But WHY am I drawn to argue with them like a moth is drawn to the flame. Every fibre of my being is telling me to be smart and let it all go as in most cases it's not that important. But NO I have to get into an arguement... When you get angry, it brings a rush of adrenaline and like any good drug, the experience of all that power flowing through your veins feels good. So, you're physically conditioned to give in to anger because of the (temporary) positive physical feedback. Do it long enough, however, and you become a junkie, at which point you're no longer controlling, but being controlled. Of course, junkies, alcoholics and the like never seem to mind that because they're focused on the momentary rush they get. Of course, that's short term thinking, and anger frequently brings some rather obvious long term effects. The situational consequences are obvious. Piss off enough people, and your life will be difficult as a result. Additionally, continually slamming your emotions and internals into a wall is a bit hard on the equipment over the long haul. Most people don't realize that until it's upon them, at which point it's a little late. You're an extremely strong personality. If you ever make a conscious decision to start exercising perspective and self control, you will, without question, succeed. You simply haven't made the decision, because you don't want to. Self discipline is a lot of hard work, and the rewards are rarely immediate. Self indulgence brings long term destruction, but immediate rewards. You're not at all helpless in this situation. You have the ability to exercise complete control over it, and your life will simply follow the consequences of whichever decision you make. Not making a choice is, of course, a choice. If it sounds like I'm speaking from personal experience, I am. When I was a younger man, I was extremely volatile and violent. As you might expect, that caused Bad Things to happen in my life. After I'd had enough of watching myself destroy my own life, one day I silently swore an oath to myself that for the rest of my life, nothing, and I do mean nothing, would be a higher priority than taming the Dragon. For several decades now, I have lived true to that oath. My life's far from perfect, to be sure, but I'm still alive. And it's in a helluva lot better shape than it would have been. Beneath all the bullshit that you throw out, I know that you're really a good man at heart. So, you can live your life
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For those born without reasoning, a sense of humour or are from outside Australia I will explain the term Knob Jockey. A jockey is someone (more often then not a man) who rides something for a living. A knob is a cock, dick, john thomas or what ever you call a penis. So therefore a Knob Jockey is a bloke who rides another blokes dick for a living or enjoyment. Seems I'm running into Knob Jockeys everywhere I go these days, work, the shops, on a mailing list of a professional associaltion I pay money to be a member of. Now I know they exist, I know I will run into them, I know I should just walk away and pretend I didn't see tham or acknowledge them. But WHY am I drawn to argue with them like a moth is drawn to the flame. Every fibre of my being is telling me to be smart and let it all go as in most cases it's not that important. But NO I have to get into an arguement, I have to tear them apart, point out how stupid they are, dance around and point while making fun of them. I can't help it, really, even when I'm cutting off my nose to spite my face I still do it. Does anyone else suffer from this? Or did you grow out of it? Never have it? I was set off on this particular occasion by an amail I sent to said professional mailing list. To get my job done and keep my project rolling I have to bypass a bit of IT policy and get my computers connected to the internet. As I can't connect these non company computers to the network I have connected a company machine instead. Then stuck a second NIC in and setup ICS to give my little LAN access to the internet but not the corporate network. I am wanting to block instant messaging and online game playing from happening with no network admin access or hardware to get it going. SoI ask for help from the experts, acknowledge my situation, the fact I am bending the rules and that I only want technical answers and not policy lectures. So what do you think I got? And how successful do you thihkn I was from refraining when it came to telling these wankers what I thought? Some of these wankers have openly said they hope my company admins are members (like their bright enough for that) have seen the email and come afdter me. Or that other members might track down who I work for (could be done from the mail archive) and dob me in. In 'Cut off nose to spite face' mode I have told the list I at least know which people to track down first myself if it turns out I lose my job. Michael Martin Australia
If a gay man asks to ride you, just say no. ;P -- I am perpetual, I keep the country clean.
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You get what you give. In this case, I'll give some advice: SOAPBOX!!! :-D Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
Marc Clifton wrote: In this case, I'll give some advice: SOAPBOX!!! You are correct, even though it said Lounge in big letters at the top of the page I still somehow managed to completely miss it and truly thought I was in the Soapbox. Better be more careful clicking my links next time. Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
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I forgot one thing: Soapbox! But maybe the Lounge rules dont apply to you either? - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" My Photos[^] nsms@spyf.dk <- Spam Collecting ;)
Anders Molin wrote: I forgot one thing: Soapbox! But maybe the Lounge rules dont apply to you either? They do apply and I stuffed up bigtime. Thought I was in the SoapBox even thought it said Lounge at the top of the page. Will have to take a breath next time and check where I am before going off again. Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
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Michael Martin wrote: But WHY am I drawn to argue with them like a moth is drawn to the flame. Every fibre of my being is telling me to be smart and let it all go as in most cases it's not that important. But NO I have to get into an arguement... When you get angry, it brings a rush of adrenaline and like any good drug, the experience of all that power flowing through your veins feels good. So, you're physically conditioned to give in to anger because of the (temporary) positive physical feedback. Do it long enough, however, and you become a junkie, at which point you're no longer controlling, but being controlled. Of course, junkies, alcoholics and the like never seem to mind that because they're focused on the momentary rush they get. Of course, that's short term thinking, and anger frequently brings some rather obvious long term effects. The situational consequences are obvious. Piss off enough people, and your life will be difficult as a result. Additionally, continually slamming your emotions and internals into a wall is a bit hard on the equipment over the long haul. Most people don't realize that until it's upon them, at which point it's a little late. You're an extremely strong personality. If you ever make a conscious decision to start exercising perspective and self control, you will, without question, succeed. You simply haven't made the decision, because you don't want to. Self discipline is a lot of hard work, and the rewards are rarely immediate. Self indulgence brings long term destruction, but immediate rewards. You're not at all helpless in this situation. You have the ability to exercise complete control over it, and your life will simply follow the consequences of whichever decision you make. Not making a choice is, of course, a choice. If it sounds like I'm speaking from personal experience, I am. When I was a younger man, I was extremely volatile and violent. As you might expect, that caused Bad Things to happen in my life. After I'd had enough of watching myself destroy my own life, one day I silently swore an oath to myself that for the rest of my life, nothing, and I do mean nothing, would be a higher priority than taming the Dragon. For several decades now, I have lived true to that oath. My life's far from perfect, to be sure, but I'm still alive. And it's in a helluva lot better shape than it would have been. Beneath all the bullshit that you throw out, I know that you're really a good man at heart. So, you can live your life
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Uh, mate, what on earth does any of that have to do with homosexuals? Or are you just perpetuating harmful stereotypes, hmmm? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Paul Watson wrote: Uh, mate, what on earth does any of that have to do with homosexuals? Or are you just perpetuating harmful stereotypes, hmmm? Since when does a rant have to make perfect sense. My biggest fuck up was posting to the Lounge when I was positive I clicked on the Soapbox link. Will have to get my eyes checked again, getting older so maybe I am getting blinder. Plus I had a conference call with the Pope and God last night and they said it is still bad to be a poo pusher. And you know how much I believe in God. Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
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Only, insults are never harmless, not even between friends. Often an insult is taken onboard by a group as a defense, a "We don't care so why you still using it?" tactic. e.g. African-Americans calling each other "my nigger", homosexuals latching onto queer or fruit or queen. When I was younger I thought I was fat, I wasn't but you know kids, and people picked up on this weakness. In defense I used the insulting terms on myself thinking that people hearing me use it would think the insult had no affect and so would stop using it. Only it did hurt and they didn't stop and it does not help. Even if the friends involved are not insulted, it perpetuates the stereotype and it can hurt the feelings of someone hearing it in passing. Twat. Hmmm, I don't know any women who would not find this offensive. Even calling a male friend a twat with a female friend around would cause trouble. It is not a pretty word. What is knob jockey but a homosexual insult? Don't deny that males insult each others masculanity by implying homosexuality. You queer, you fruit, you chutney feret, you faggot. I imagine it hurts plenty when a homosexuals hear those. Oh sure, they can laugh it off, they can shrug, they can roll their eyes and call you it back, but it still must hurt. I know what Michael Martin was saying. Guys hear it everyday, threats to their sexuality even if the conversation has nothing to do with sex e.g. a rubbish programmer. I used to use those insults myself, never thought a homosexual would actually be hurt by it. But then one day I decided to ask and he said it did hurt and so I have tried to stop. Sure, be realistic, be pragmatic and realise there will be twats who diss without thinking. But don't be one of those knob jockeys, eh? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Brian Welsch wrote: "blah blah blah, maybe a potato?" while translating my Afrikaans. Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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Paul Watson wrote: what on earth does any of that have to do with homosexuals? Well, he didn't exactly specify the nature of his professional association, now did he? ;P
But in the end, it's all just database access right? And that stuff is just plain boring.
- David Stone, not a programming question but...
Shog9 wrote: Well, he didn't exactly specify the nature of his professional association, now did he? ;P No I didn't did I? You bastard, this means I will actually have to think before I get on here and rant. That will take the fun out of it and make my head hurt. Stop it, stop it now. Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
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Michael Martin wrote: But WHY am I drawn to argue with them like a moth is drawn to the flame. Every fibre of my being is telling me to be smart and let it all go as in most cases it's not that important. But NO I have to get into an arguement... When you get angry, it brings a rush of adrenaline and like any good drug, the experience of all that power flowing through your veins feels good. So, you're physically conditioned to give in to anger because of the (temporary) positive physical feedback. Do it long enough, however, and you become a junkie, at which point you're no longer controlling, but being controlled. Of course, junkies, alcoholics and the like never seem to mind that because they're focused on the momentary rush they get. Of course, that's short term thinking, and anger frequently brings some rather obvious long term effects. The situational consequences are obvious. Piss off enough people, and your life will be difficult as a result. Additionally, continually slamming your emotions and internals into a wall is a bit hard on the equipment over the long haul. Most people don't realize that until it's upon them, at which point it's a little late. You're an extremely strong personality. If you ever make a conscious decision to start exercising perspective and self control, you will, without question, succeed. You simply haven't made the decision, because you don't want to. Self discipline is a lot of hard work, and the rewards are rarely immediate. Self indulgence brings long term destruction, but immediate rewards. You're not at all helpless in this situation. You have the ability to exercise complete control over it, and your life will simply follow the consequences of whichever decision you make. Not making a choice is, of course, a choice. If it sounds like I'm speaking from personal experience, I am. When I was a younger man, I was extremely volatile and violent. As you might expect, that caused Bad Things to happen in my life. After I'd had enough of watching myself destroy my own life, one day I silently swore an oath to myself that for the rest of my life, nothing, and I do mean nothing, would be a higher priority than taming the Dragon. For several decades now, I have lived true to that oath. My life's far from perfect, to be sure, but I'm still alive. And it's in a helluva lot better shape than it would have been. Beneath all the bullshit that you throw out, I know that you're really a good man at heart. So, you can live your life
Christopher Duncan wrote: Of course, that's short term thinking, and anger frequently brings some rather obvious long term effects. The situational consequences are obvious. Piss off enough people, and your life will be difficult as a result. Additionally, continually slamming your emotions and internals into a wall is a bit hard on the equipment over the long haul. Most people don't realize that until it's upon them, at which point it's a little late. You're an extremely strong personality. If you ever make a conscious decision to start exercising perspective and self control, you will, without question, succeed. You simply haven't made the decision, because you don't want to. Self discipline is a lot of hard work, and the rewards are rarely immediate. Self indulgence brings long term destruction, but immediate rewards. While I understand I have to tke control and make the changes not anybody else. Do you have any recommendations on where to start? Books, online resources, methodologies...? Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
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Paul Watson wrote: I know what Michael Martin was saying. Yep, you explain your case well. Impossible to disagree. Paul Watson wrote: But don't be one of those knob jockeys, eh? That is a fair comment. As it is a cultural thing you always have to be aware of who you are talking to. But, if you get really pissed off, I guarantee you are not going to act like a saint. So I think we might as well ignore some dumb word he uses and listen to his main point. Anyway, when he calms down he is bound to edit it. Right now in the UK there is a huge backlash against PC-ness relating to Kilroy. Btw, I am not saying you are being PC, cleary you are saying be polite, which is always a good thing. Anyway, it's an interesting issue, but we must always remember not to become so idealistic as to lose a sense of reality. Paul Watson wrote: be pragmatic and realise there will be twats who diss without thinking As you right say. But "Michael Martin" does not seem like one of them IMO.
dog_spawn wrote: Right now in the UK there is a huge backlash against PC-ness relating to Kilroy You forgot to mention that just as many people want him off the air. His show is always hunting for transfolk to humiliate in front of an audience, and unfortunately their are always one or two who think they can make a difference by trying to explain it all. They usually get shouted down. Good riddance to him, as far as I'm concerned. Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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Christopher Duncan wrote: Of course, that's short term thinking, and anger frequently brings some rather obvious long term effects. The situational consequences are obvious. Piss off enough people, and your life will be difficult as a result. Additionally, continually slamming your emotions and internals into a wall is a bit hard on the equipment over the long haul. Most people don't realize that until it's upon them, at which point it's a little late. You're an extremely strong personality. If you ever make a conscious decision to start exercising perspective and self control, you will, without question, succeed. You simply haven't made the decision, because you don't want to. Self discipline is a lot of hard work, and the rewards are rarely immediate. Self indulgence brings long term destruction, but immediate rewards. While I understand I have to tke control and make the changes not anybody else. Do you have any recommendations on where to start? Books, online resources, methodologies...? Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003
Michael Martin wrote: While I understand I have to tke control and make the changes not anybody else. Do you have any recommendations on where to start? Books, online resources, methodologies...? For me, taming the Dragon was a long, difficult process, and even today I never let my guard down for an instant. Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom. There are no short answers or silver bullets (no matter what a methodology may tell you). However, for what it's worth, I'll tell you the path I followed. Since I don't know your religious background, you may or may not have obstacles to exploration. For myself, I looked into every religion, spiritual path, philosophy, new age thought, metaphysical, you name it. I went to bookstores and browsed tons of titles. A lot of it struck me as fluff, but every now and then a page would speak to me, and I'd buy the book. Having been raised in America, I was already familiar with the various Christian writings, so I read eastern classics such as the Tao Te Ching, the Bhagavad Gita, etc. Illusions by Richard Bach, and so on. It's not an answer anyone ever wants to hear, but there is no one path that works for everyone. Different books will speak to you than to me, and we'll find some in common. However, all of this is secondary. I know this sounds mind numbingly obvious, but it is rarely recognized for the crucial aspect that it is. Before anything else will work for you, you have to decide deep down, no bullshit, that you truly do want to become a different person. I looked at the explosive person I was and decided that it wasn't who I wanted to be. That is truly the "secret technique" - everything else is commentary. Each morning, I get up and spend a few moments to myself (I've been known to lock myself in the bathroom if that's the only way I can get privacy) and silently reaffirm my commitment to the person I want to be. I remind myself each morning that I will consciously choose how I act, rather than be reactionary and let the Dragon do the driving. That little daily commitment actually helps me a lot. If you want to know what I say to myself, here it is. It's not terribly elegant, but then, neither am I. "Today, and only today, I will not be an asshole. No apologies for yesterday, and tomorrow's up for grabs. But today, I will not be an asshole." Hope the profanity doesn't get me thrown out of the lounge, but that's what I say. Besides, that's how my kid sister talks. :-) I don't know if any of this is useful to anyone
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Michael Martin wrote: While I understand I have to tke control and make the changes not anybody else. Do you have any recommendations on where to start? Books, online resources, methodologies...? For me, taming the Dragon was a long, difficult process, and even today I never let my guard down for an instant. Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom. There are no short answers or silver bullets (no matter what a methodology may tell you). However, for what it's worth, I'll tell you the path I followed. Since I don't know your religious background, you may or may not have obstacles to exploration. For myself, I looked into every religion, spiritual path, philosophy, new age thought, metaphysical, you name it. I went to bookstores and browsed tons of titles. A lot of it struck me as fluff, but every now and then a page would speak to me, and I'd buy the book. Having been raised in America, I was already familiar with the various Christian writings, so I read eastern classics such as the Tao Te Ching, the Bhagavad Gita, etc. Illusions by Richard Bach, and so on. It's not an answer anyone ever wants to hear, but there is no one path that works for everyone. Different books will speak to you than to me, and we'll find some in common. However, all of this is secondary. I know this sounds mind numbingly obvious, but it is rarely recognized for the crucial aspect that it is. Before anything else will work for you, you have to decide deep down, no bullshit, that you truly do want to become a different person. I looked at the explosive person I was and decided that it wasn't who I wanted to be. That is truly the "secret technique" - everything else is commentary. Each morning, I get up and spend a few moments to myself (I've been known to lock myself in the bathroom if that's the only way I can get privacy) and silently reaffirm my commitment to the person I want to be. I remind myself each morning that I will consciously choose how I act, rather than be reactionary and let the Dragon do the driving. That little daily commitment actually helps me a lot. If you want to know what I say to myself, here it is. It's not terribly elegant, but then, neither am I. "Today, and only today, I will not be an asshole. No apologies for yesterday, and tomorrow's up for grabs. But today, I will not be an asshole." Hope the profanity doesn't get me thrown out of the lounge, but that's what I say. Besides, that's how my kid sister talks. :-) I don't know if any of this is useful to anyone
Christopher Duncan wrote: I don't know if any of this is useful to anyone but me, and if it bores the pants off everyone else, we can always continue privately via email. If you don't mind I will take up your offer over a few emails and give it a try. Michael Martin Australia "I suspect I will be impressed though, I am easy." - Paul Watson 21/09/2003