Fact or Fiction?
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Wjousts wrote: What about "one hundred and one"? I was taught that "and" is never written or spoken when describing a number. The proper way would be "One hundred one." Please allow me to introduce myself - I’m a man of wealth and taste. I’ve been around for a long, long year - Stole many a man’s soul and faith
The strict rule is that "and" is used only when there's a fraction. So, 101 = "one hundred one" 10.5 = "ten and one half" Of course, actual usage differs from the prescriptive rules quite often. --Mike-- Ericahist | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | Homepage | 1ClickPicGrabber New v2.0! | RightClick-Encrypt Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? I think so Brain, but if we shaved our heads, we'd look like weasels!
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Wjousts wrote: What about "one hundred and one"? I was taught that "and" is never written or spoken when describing a number. The proper way would be "One hundred one." Please allow me to introduce myself - I’m a man of wealth and taste. I’ve been around for a long, long year - Stole many a man’s soul and faith
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Joe Woodbury wrote: "No." is a valid complete sentence A complete sentence needs a subject and a verb. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: A complete sentence needs a subject and a verb. No. Okay, not funny. Since "No" can contain a complete thought, it could be considered a complete sentence, though the counter argument is that it is subordinate on the context. However, "Go!" is considered a complete sentence by many; the subject being implied, not explicitly stated. "Be." is also a complete sentence for the same reason. (BTW, "I do." is just as short as "I am.", shorter if you are using proportional spaced fonts. The joke goes, that "I do" is both the shortest and longest sentence in the English language.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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The strict rule is that "and" is used only when there's a fraction. So, 101 = "one hundred one" 10.5 = "ten and one half" Of course, actual usage differs from the prescriptive rules quite often. --Mike-- Ericahist | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | Homepage | 1ClickPicGrabber New v2.0! | RightClick-Encrypt Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? I think so Brain, but if we shaved our heads, we'd look like weasels!
I think it's clear that there is no strict rule. Mostly it depend on where you grew up and were educated. It appears the English favour "one hundred and one" where as the Americans favor "one hundred one" Michael Dunn wrote: 10.5 = "ten and one half" Or "ten and a half" - Let start up a whole new debate about that one!
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: A complete sentence needs a subject and a verb. No. Okay, not funny. Since "No" can contain a complete thought, it could be considered a complete sentence, though the counter argument is that it is subordinate on the context. However, "Go!" is considered a complete sentence by many; the subject being implied, not explicitly stated. "Be." is also a complete sentence for the same reason. (BTW, "I do." is just as short as "I am.", shorter if you are using proportional spaced fonts. The joke goes, that "I do" is both the shortest and longest sentence in the English language.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote: The joke goes, that "I do" is both the shortest and longest sentence in the English language. Thanks for my new signature. :-) Regards, Alvaro
"I do" is both the shortest and the longest sentence in the English language.
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I'll go with Jeremy's answers except: "No." is a valid complete sentence. [Edit: An argument can be made that a complete sentence must have a subject and a verb. Following this rule, "I do." is just as short, thus "I am" can't be the "shortest" but "one of the shortest" and both "Go!" and "Be." are shorter, with the subject being implied.] The horse thing is almost certainly bogus. Many counter examples abound. (One: http://www.watermelon-kid.com/dallas-sights/landmarks-lee.htm[^]) [Edit: Another counter example: http://www.jatruck.com/stonewall/big_pans/long_photo.htm[^].) As for the inventions question: A woman invented Kevlar, but not the bullet-proof vest. The "fire escape" is tricky since it depends on what you mean by it. A woman did invent windshield wipers. A Xerox engineer named Gary Starkweather is widely credited with creating the first laser printer in 1978, though it's very possible one or more key patents is held by a woman. The explanation for "good night, sleep tight" is likely bogus. The "sleep tight" is referring to the condition of the blankets; if you sleep tight, you keep the cold air out. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote: The horse thing is almost certainly bogus. Many counter examples abound. (One: http://www.watermelon-kid.com/dallas-sights/landmarks-lee.htm\[^\]) [Edit: Another counter example: http://www.jatruck.com/stonewall/big\_pans/long\_photo.htm\[^\].) More to the point, is that for it to be true it would mean EVERY single sculpter in the world (or at least those that do guys sitting on horses) would have to agree to this convention. Seems unlikely. I could well believe that a school of sculpter may have existed at sometime that tried to follow the convention, but clearly not everybody who ever did [errm...I mean sculpt] a guy on a horse was a member.
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Jeremy Kimball wrote: Although, I suppose "Yes." and "No." could count... A complete sentence requires a subject and verb. Yes and no would be considered fragments in that instance. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: A complete sentence requires a subject and verb I remember (and this is about 15 years ago now) that my English teacher at school told us that "Go!" was the shortest. A verb in the imperative (command mode if you prefer) does not need a subject. --Colin Mackay--
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Wjousts wrote: I don't think it's actually wrong? I don't know for sure but... my 6th grade math teacher was emphatic about it. :sigh: Please allow me to introduce myself - I’m a man of wealth and taste. I’ve been around for a long, long year - Stole many a man’s soul and faith
I was taught "One hundred and One" - It is probably a difference between American and British English. American English also misses out the preposition in sentences like: "Write to me" --Colin Mackay--
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I think it's clear that there is no strict rule. Mostly it depend on where you grew up and were educated. It appears the English favour "one hundred and one" where as the Americans favor "one hundred one" Michael Dunn wrote: 10.5 = "ten and one half" Or "ten and a half" - Let start up a whole new debate about that one!
Wjousts wrote: "ten and a half" I agree. Although I do use both. I only use "Ten and one half" if I am emphasising it. --Colin Mackay--
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Joe Woodbury wrote: "No." is a valid complete sentence A complete sentence needs a subject and a verb. Jeremy Falcon
Really? Imperative verbs (predicates really) should be enough for a sentence, since the subject is implied. If I say "Run!", I mean that you - the subject, should run, and not just anyone. But perhaps that doesn't count. :~ -- Seraphim Shock. Gold for your ears.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: A complete sentence needs a subject and a verb. No. Okay, not funny. Since "No" can contain a complete thought, it could be considered a complete sentence, though the counter argument is that it is subordinate on the context. However, "Go!" is considered a complete sentence by many; the subject being implied, not explicitly stated. "Be." is also a complete sentence for the same reason. (BTW, "I do." is just as short as "I am.", shorter if you are using proportional spaced fonts. The joke goes, that "I do" is both the shortest and longest sentence in the English language.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
> However, "Go!" is considered a complete sentence > by many; the subject being implied, not explicitly > stated. "Be." is also a complete sentence for the > same reason. Exactly! I offered that theory to Jeremy as well. It's nice to see I'm not alone about it. :) The Be. case however, I'm not so willing to buy. Be is the infinitive form. You can't just use an infinitive verb without an object. You need a verb in imperative form I think. > The joke goes, that "I do" is both the shortest and longest sentence in the English language. :laugh: :laugh: -- Seraphim Shock. Gold for your ears.
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 True Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: If a statue in the park of a person on a horse has both front legs in the air, the person died in battle. If the horse has one front leg in the air the person died as a result of wounds received in battle. If the horse has all four legs on the ground, the person died of natural causes. True Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: "I am." is the shortest complete sentence in the English language. True Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: In ancient England a person could not have sex unless you had consent of the King (unless you were in the Royal Family). When anyone wanted to have a baby, they got consent of the King, the King gave them a placard that they hung on their door while they were having sex. The placard had F.U.C.K (Fornication Under Consent of the King) on it. Now you know where that word came from. Not quite the way I heard it. This one is closer... http://www.strangecosmos.com/read.adp?joke_id=1802[^] Jeremy Falcon
The site said: and Swedish "fokka" to copulate Whaaaaaaa? :-D I've never ever heard that word before. Of course it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but I'm still sceptic as it doesn't sound like any word that I know means to copulate. -- Seraphim Shock. Gold for your ears.
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The world's youngest parents were 8 and 9 and lived in China in 1910. The youngest pope was 11 years old. Each king in a deck of playing cards represents a great king from history: Spades - King David Hearts - Charlemagne Clubs - Alexander the Great Diamonds - Julius Caesar 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 If a statue in the park of a person on a horse has both front legs in the air, the person died in battle. If the horse has one front leg in the air the person died as a result of wounds received in battle. If the horse has all four legs on the ground, the person died of natural causes. "I am." is the shortest complete sentence in the English language. Q. What occurs more often in December than any other month? A. Conception. Q. If you were to spell out numbers, how far would you have to go until you could find the letter "A"? A. One thousand. Q. What do bullet-proof vests, fire escapes, windshield wipers, and laser printers all have in common? A. All invented by women. Q. What is the only food that doesn't spoil? A. Honey In Shakespeare's time, mattresses were secured on bed frames by ropes. When you pulled on the ropes the mattress tightened, making the bed firmer to sleep on. Hence the phrase "goodnight, sleep tight". It was the accepted practice in Babylon 4,000 years ago that for a month after the wedding, the bride's father would supply his son-in-law with all the mead he could drink. Mead is a honey beer and because their calendar was lunar based, this period was called the honey month or what we know today as the honeymoon. In ancient England a person could not have sex unless you had consent of the King (unless you were in the Royal Family). When anyone wanted to have a baby, they got consent of the King, the King gave them a placard that they hung on their door while they were having sex. The placard had F.U.C.K (Fornication Under Consent of the King) on it. Now you know where that word came from. In Scotland, a new game was invented. It was entitled Gentlemen Only, Ladies Forbidden... and thus the word GOLF entered into the English language.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Q. If you were to spell out numbers, how far would you have to go until you could find the letter "A"? A. One thousand. Yes, because the 'and' in 'One thousand and one' is just a cultural thing in english, it is not technically needed to represent the numbers in English. But in many other latin-based languages, the equivelent of 'and' appears in many different areas. Such as in Frech (and other similar languages), to represent the number 21 in words would be 'vignt et un', which literally translates to 'twenty and one'. But 22 is 'vignt-deux', which just means 'twenty-two'. But in all, just in English, the technical way to represent numbers between 101 and 999, the 'and' between the number of the hundreds digit and the lesser digits is not needed. So that statement is true. Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: In ancient England a person could not have sex unless you had consent of the King (unless you were in the Royal Family). When anyone wanted to have a baby, they got consent of the King, the King gave them a placard that they hung on their door while they were having sex. The placard had F.U.C.K (Fornication Under Consent of the King) on it. Now you know where that word came from. I thought the word 'fuck' came from some archaic German word.
Who am I? Currently: A Programming Student trying to survive school with plan to go on to Univeristy of Advancing Technology to study game design. Main career interest include: Multimedia and game programming. Working on an outside project: A game for the GamePark32 (GP32) portable gaming console. My website: www.GP32US.com
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I was taught "One hundred and One" - It is probably a difference between American and British English. American English also misses out the preposition in sentences like: "Write to me" --Colin Mackay--
Colin Angus Mackay wrote: American English also misses out the preposition in sentences like: "Write to me" Yep, I seem to recall that one drives David Wulff bonkers!! ;P Please allow me to introduce myself - I’m a man of wealth and taste. I’ve been around for a long, long year - Stole many a man’s soul and faith
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Q. If you were to spell out numbers, how far would you have to go until you could find the letter "A"? A. One thousand. Yes, because the 'and' in 'One thousand and one' is just a cultural thing in english, it is not technically needed to represent the numbers in English. But in many other latin-based languages, the equivelent of 'and' appears in many different areas. Such as in Frech (and other similar languages), to represent the number 21 in words would be 'vignt et un', which literally translates to 'twenty and one'. But 22 is 'vignt-deux', which just means 'twenty-two'. But in all, just in English, the technical way to represent numbers between 101 and 999, the 'and' between the number of the hundreds digit and the lesser digits is not needed. So that statement is true. Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: In ancient England a person could not have sex unless you had consent of the King (unless you were in the Royal Family). When anyone wanted to have a baby, they got consent of the King, the King gave them a placard that they hung on their door while they were having sex. The placard had F.U.C.K (Fornication Under Consent of the King) on it. Now you know where that word came from. I thought the word 'fuck' came from some archaic German word.
Who am I? Currently: A Programming Student trying to survive school with plan to go on to Univeristy of Advancing Technology to study game design. Main career interest include: Multimedia and game programming. Working on an outside project: A game for the GamePark32 (GP32) portable gaming console. My website: www.GP32US.com
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Encarta explanation of the word F***[^] and read the last part about the origins. Apparently it is scandinavian. (OK, now you don't need to read the last part. :cool: )
Is that why 'bang' also another way of saying it? :lol: I still think it came from a slitghly harsher language. I have to find the video that I saw about it coming from German. History of the F word.[^]
Who am I? Currently: A Programming Student trying to survive school with plan to go on to Univeristy of Advancing Technology to study game design. Main career interest include: Multimedia and game programming. Working on an outside project: A game for the GamePark32 (GP32) portable gaming console. My website: www.GP32US.com
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: A complete sentence requires a subject and verb I remember (and this is about 15 years ago now) that my English teacher at school told us that "Go!" was the shortest. A verb in the imperative (command mode if you prefer) does not need a subject. --Colin Mackay--
Colin Angus Mackay wrote: A verb in the imperative (command mode if you prefer) does not need a subject. Yeah, but I always thought an imperative sentence was not a complete sentence. I guess some research is in order. Jeremy Falcon
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> However, "Go!" is considered a complete sentence > by many; the subject being implied, not explicitly > stated. "Be." is also a complete sentence for the > same reason. Exactly! I offered that theory to Jeremy as well. It's nice to see I'm not alone about it. :) The Be. case however, I'm not so willing to buy. Be is the infinitive form. You can't just use an infinitive verb without an object. You need a verb in imperative form I think. > The joke goes, that "I do" is both the shortest and longest sentence in the English language. :laugh: :laugh: -- Seraphim Shock. Gold for your ears.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Exactly! I offered that theory to Jeremy as well. It's nice to see I'm not alone about it. Well, I was under the impression that an imperative sentence and a complete sentence are two different things. Like an imperative sentence would be an independent clause? Oh well, I reckon some research is in order. Jeremy Falcon
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The world's youngest parents were 8 and 9 and lived in China in 1910. The youngest pope was 11 years old. Each king in a deck of playing cards represents a great king from history: Spades - King David Hearts - Charlemagne Clubs - Alexander the Great Diamonds - Julius Caesar 111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321 If a statue in the park of a person on a horse has both front legs in the air, the person died in battle. If the horse has one front leg in the air the person died as a result of wounds received in battle. If the horse has all four legs on the ground, the person died of natural causes. "I am." is the shortest complete sentence in the English language. Q. What occurs more often in December than any other month? A. Conception. Q. If you were to spell out numbers, how far would you have to go until you could find the letter "A"? A. One thousand. Q. What do bullet-proof vests, fire escapes, windshield wipers, and laser printers all have in common? A. All invented by women. Q. What is the only food that doesn't spoil? A. Honey In Shakespeare's time, mattresses were secured on bed frames by ropes. When you pulled on the ropes the mattress tightened, making the bed firmer to sleep on. Hence the phrase "goodnight, sleep tight". It was the accepted practice in Babylon 4,000 years ago that for a month after the wedding, the bride's father would supply his son-in-law with all the mead he could drink. Mead is a honey beer and because their calendar was lunar based, this period was called the honey month or what we know today as the honeymoon. In ancient England a person could not have sex unless you had consent of the King (unless you were in the Royal Family). When anyone wanted to have a baby, they got consent of the King, the King gave them a placard that they hung on their door while they were having sex. The placard had F.U.C.K (Fornication Under Consent of the King) on it. Now you know where that word came from. In Scotland, a new game was invented. It was entitled Gentlemen Only, Ladies Forbidden... and thus the word GOLF entered into the English language.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Each king in a deck of playing cards represents a great king from history: Spades - King David Hearts - Charlemagne Clubs - Alexander the Great Diamonds - Julius Caesar True. Others figures are also mythic or historic characters. For the Queens: Spades - Pallas (Athena) Hearts - Judith (from the Bible) Clubs - Argine (daughter of the king Argos) Diamonds - Rachel (from the Bible) For the Jacks: Spades - Ogier (a hero of a medieval song) Hearts - Lahire (officer of the king Charles VII) Clubs - Lancelot (King Arthur's pal) Diamonds - Hector (the Trojan Prince) Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: If you were to spell out numbers, how far would you have to go until you could find the letter "A"? 4 :-D Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: In ancient England a person could not have sex unless you had consent of the King (unless you were in the Royal Family). When anyone wanted to have a baby, they got consent of the King, the King gave them a placard that they hung on their door while they were having sex. The placard had F.U.C.K (Fornication Under Consent of the King) on it. Now you know where that word came from. Sounds BS to me. In a time when the end of the World began 3 miles away from the house, I don't believe people were crossing England to ask to the King the right to copulate.
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Really? Imperative verbs (predicates really) should be enough for a sentence, since the subject is implied. If I say "Run!", I mean that you - the subject, should run, and not just anyone. But perhaps that doesn't count. :~ -- Seraphim Shock. Gold for your ears.