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I'm looking for recommendations on version control software, either for or against a particular application. My company is finally looking into source code control. :omg::doh: We have MS Visual Source Safe 6.0, though we haven't used it. Should we stick with that or is there something better out there? We are a small shop of about 5 developers, one of which is off-site. We're finding that keeping track of versioning and backups is requiring way too much of our time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Dan Morris
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Rational is very good but mega bucks. I think it's something like 3K a user for the full version and 1.5 for the lite. Does versioning well from our evaluations here at work. Couldn't afford it though.
We too are looking for something, though for whole project documentation, not just source control. Does VSS come in MSDN (I'm pushing to get that this year too!). What is the remote (i.e. via web) access like? Many thanks, S
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I'm looking for recommendations on version control software, either for or against a particular application. My company is finally looking into source code control. :omg::doh: We have MS Visual Source Safe 6.0, though we haven't used it. Should we stick with that or is there something better out there? We are a small shop of about 5 developers, one of which is off-site. We're finding that keeping track of versioning and backups is requiring way too much of our time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Dan Morris
I'm using SourceGear's Vault[^] for personal projects. Version 2.0 coming soon, apparently. It's quite nice to use, although the admin tool's user interface is horrible, IMO. You'll need Windows 2000, XP or Server 2003 with IIS and the .NET Framework installed for the web service, and SQL Server 2000 or MSDE for the data store.
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We too are looking for something, though for whole project documentation, not just source control. Does VSS come in MSDN (I'm pushing to get that this year too!). What is the remote (i.e. via web) access like? Many thanks, S
VSS comes with most editions of VS.NET, and yes, it's also part of the MSDN distributions. Remote access to VSS is non-existent. VSS relies on Windows file sharing and locking - there is no server component. If this is part of your requirements, look elsewhere.
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I'm looking for recommendations on version control software, either for or against a particular application. My company is finally looking into source code control. :omg::doh: We have MS Visual Source Safe 6.0, though we haven't used it. Should we stick with that or is there something better out there? We are a small shop of about 5 developers, one of which is off-site. We're finding that keeping track of versioning and backups is requiring way too much of our time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Dan Morris
Visual SourceSafe is fine for a small group. That's basically all I've used for the last 7 or 8 years so I don't have anything else to recommend. (Actually, I had the misfortune of having to use PVCS for a while, but it's something I'd rather forget.) Regards, Alvaro
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I'm looking for recommendations on version control software, either for or against a particular application. My company is finally looking into source code control. :omg::doh: We have MS Visual Source Safe 6.0, though we haven't used it. Should we stick with that or is there something better out there? We are a small shop of about 5 developers, one of which is off-site. We're finding that keeping track of versioning and backups is requiring way too much of our time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Dan Morris
VSS is OK for a small team, if you don't expect to much, AND you use it from inside Visual Studio. However, there is no remoting built in (AFAIK), so you'd need a 3rd party product. Others are more powerful, and said to be less bug-ridden. Well, except some misfeatures I never had problems with VSS as such. I've VSS archiver running each night for backup. (but then, we archive the sources of the daily build routine separately, so even if VSS should barf on us, we have the zipped source tree, including the build batches)
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I'm looking for recommendations on version control software, either for or against a particular application. My company is finally looking into source code control. :omg::doh: We have MS Visual Source Safe 6.0, though we haven't used it. Should we stick with that or is there something better out there? We are a small shop of about 5 developers, one of which is off-site. We're finding that keeping track of versioning and backups is requiring way too much of our time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Dan Morris
VSS is ok for small teams, but support for branching is not very good. CVS is very good and free, but not that easy to use. I prefer Perforce, it is easy to use, very fast and works great, but licence fee per user is about 750$ (version for 2 concurrent users is free). all of them can be integrated into Visual Studio.
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VSS comes with most editions of VS.NET, and yes, it's also part of the MSDN distributions. Remote access to VSS is non-existent. VSS relies on Windows file sharing and locking - there is no server component. If this is part of your requirements, look elsewhere.
Thanks for the info on MSDN. We have two sites in nearby towns, with no LAN link between them at the moment (we used to have a line-of-site wireless link, but it stopped working when the leaves grew on the trees in summer ;)) Looking at VSS on the web it looks as if there's some new remote access component. Has anyone had a go, or is it too new ? http://msdn.microsoft.com/ssafe/headlines/offer.asp[^] and is it any good in terms of speed etc? Many thanks, S
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Thanks for the info on MSDN. We have two sites in nearby towns, with no LAN link between them at the moment (we used to have a line-of-site wireless link, but it stopped working when the leaves grew on the trees in summer ;)) Looking at VSS on the web it looks as if there's some new remote access component. Has anyone had a go, or is it too new ? http://msdn.microsoft.com/ssafe/headlines/offer.asp[^] and is it any good in terms of speed etc? Many thanks, S
SourceOffSite is also written by SourceGear, the developers of Vault (see my other message). For a new deployment, where you're not already using VSS, I'd prefer Vault to VSS+SourceOffSite.
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SourceOffSite is also written by SourceGear, the developers of Vault (see my other message). For a new deployment, where you're not already using VSS, I'd prefer Vault to VSS+SourceOffSite.
Thanks for the info. Just got to get the budget for it! :) S
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SourceOffSite is also written by SourceGear, the developers of Vault (see my other message). For a new deployment, where you're not already using VSS, I'd prefer Vault to VSS+SourceOffSite.
So Vault has support for remote access? I saw this product listed in my search for source code control products and it looks good, I just need a sound argument for purchasing it over VSS which we currently own. Have you had any issues with it other than the admin UI? Dan Morris
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I'm looking for recommendations on version control software, either for or against a particular application. My company is finally looking into source code control. :omg::doh: We have MS Visual Source Safe 6.0, though we haven't used it. Should we stick with that or is there something better out there? We are a small shop of about 5 developers, one of which is off-site. We're finding that keeping track of versioning and backups is requiring way too much of our time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Dan Morris
You should look at Code Co-Op[^] I've never used it, but it looks interesting. 'til next we type... HAVE FUN!! -- Jesse
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I'm looking for recommendations on version control software, either for or against a particular application. My company is finally looking into source code control. :omg::doh: We have MS Visual Source Safe 6.0, though we haven't used it. Should we stick with that or is there something better out there? We are a small shop of about 5 developers, one of which is off-site. We're finding that keeping track of versioning and backups is requiring way too much of our time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Dan Morris
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So Vault has support for remote access? I saw this product listed in my search for source code control products and it looks good, I just need a sound argument for purchasing it over VSS which we currently own. Have you had any issues with it other than the admin UI? Dan Morris
Vault is based around web services: as long as you can send XML over HTTP, you can access it. IIRC, it only sends differences across the connection, rather than whole files. At present, I'm using it in single-user mode (they do a single-user license for $49) on my own computer at home. So I'll have to admit I haven't tried any networking support, and certainly no remote access. I've done a little sharing and branching, though (basically, I wanted to implement an architectural spike several different ways, so I wrote it one way then branched six times, varying each slightly). There's a support mailing list[^] which you might want to look at. My problem with the admin tool is just the user interface. Dialogs with lots of tabs are sucky. Dialogs with multiple rows of tabs are very sucky. Tabs at the bottom of the dialog, well, you get the picture. The only other issue I've had has been obliterating files (Vault terminology for permanently deleting) - it seems to think that a couple of the deleted files are still in active branches, whereas I don't think there are. However, they're still deleted in the actual project itself, so it just amounts to a little wasted space. Obliterate is the equivalent of Delete Permanently in VSS, but is in the Admin tool rather than the main client (and is therefore a bit harder to do accidentally). Oh yeah, and VSS Import is glacially slow. Remember to configure ASP.NET/IIS 6.0 not to kill off the worker process if an operation takes a long time.
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I'm looking for recommendations on version control software, either for or against a particular application. My company is finally looking into source code control. :omg::doh: We have MS Visual Source Safe 6.0, though we haven't used it. Should we stick with that or is there something better out there? We are a small shop of about 5 developers, one of which is off-site. We're finding that keeping track of versioning and backups is requiring way too much of our time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Dan Morris
I've been forced to use VSS over a slow connection. (VPN over cable modem). Anytime the connection speed dropped under about 700kbps the performance was intolerable. I had to setup a system onsite and terminal service into it and do all my development that way, SourceOffSite is another solution to the problem. The problem is that VSS works at a slightly higher level then an old dbase or access database. The clients do all the "database" manipulation through file shares on the server.