Just wishful thinking...
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If those features are something you want to see in your programming language, why not use Java or C# instead of polluting C++? "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
I do. But I also program C/C++/Win32/MFC. And a great deal of existing inventories are still written in C/C++, not to mention that you can compile your ANSI C++ library and get it run on UNIX box. Norman Fung
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If Code Project can get organized, submit a petition and... 1. get "foreach" construct as part of ANSI standard for C++ 2. augment stdio with an XML parser :) Norman Fung
Norman Fung wrote: get "foreach" construct as part of ANSI standard for C++ A useful construct in C#, which is a language designed with knowledge of the .NET framework. Wouldn't work in C++ unless you're willing to see C++ mandate enumerable interfaces to arrays. I'm not willing to see such a mandate :) I don't find it that difficult to write a
forloop or ado/whileloop that takes into account the peculiarities of the container object I'm working with. Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003 -
I do. But I also program C/C++/Win32/MFC. And a great deal of existing inventories are still written in C/C++, not to mention that you can compile your ANSI C++ library and get it run on UNIX box. Norman Fung
But do we need foreach?, I admit that I haven't given it a lot of thought, but there is bound to be a lot of issues involving the implementation. What kind of container should be the parameter?, and what would be the bloody point of it, if the runtime support for type checking (RTTI), as i recall is possible, is turned off? "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Norman Fung wrote: get "foreach" construct as part of ANSI standard for C++ A useful construct in C#, which is a language designed with knowledge of the .NET framework. Wouldn't work in C++ unless you're willing to see C++ mandate enumerable interfaces to arrays. I'm not willing to see such a mandate :) I don't find it that difficult to write a
forloop or ado/whileloop that takes into account the peculiarities of the container object I'm working with. Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003Rob Manderson wrote: ...enumerable interfaces to arrays. I'm not willing to see such a mandate... Yes, I'd agree. Norman Fung
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If Code Project can get organized, submit a petition and... 1. get "foreach" construct as part of ANSI standard for C++ 2. augment stdio with an XML parser :) Norman Fung
Norman Fung wrote: get "foreach" construct as part of ANSI standard for C++ Take a shufty at <algorithm> header for the following template:
template Function for_each( InputIterator _First, InputIterator _Last, Function _Func );It's already part of the standard. If you really want a foreach rather than a for_each, add in:
#define foreach for_each:-) Norman Fung wrote: 2. augment stdio with an XML parser And a CSV parser, and an EDI parser, and a Word parser, and an Excel parser, and a SQL Server database file parser, and an AVI parser, and a ZIP parser, and a BMP parser, and a JPG parser, and an MP3 parser, etc etc Our survey says
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Ian Darling "The different versions of the UN*X brand operating system are numbered in a logical sequence: 5, 6, 7, 2, 2.9, 3, 4.0, III, 4.1, V, 4.2, V.2, and 4.3" - Alan Filipski
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Norman Fung wrote: get "foreach" construct as part of ANSI standard for C++ Take a shufty at <algorithm> header for the following template:
template Function for_each( InputIterator _First, InputIterator _Last, Function _Func );It's already part of the standard. If you really want a foreach rather than a for_each, add in:
#define foreach for_each:-) Norman Fung wrote: 2. augment stdio with an XML parser And a CSV parser, and an EDI parser, and a Word parser, and an Excel parser, and a SQL Server database file parser, and an AVI parser, and a ZIP parser, and a BMP parser, and a JPG parser, and an MP3 parser, etc etc Our survey says
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Ian Darling "The different versions of the UN*X brand operating system are numbered in a logical sequence: 5, 6, 7, 2, 2.9, 3, 4.0, III, 4.1, V, 4.2, V.2, and 4.3" - Alan Filipski
Ian Darling wrote: a CSV parser, and an EDI parser, and a Word parser, and an Excel parser, and a SQL Server database file parser, and an AVI parser, and a ZIP parser, and a BMP parser, and a JPG parser, and an MP3 parser Greedy!!! :) Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003
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Ian Darling wrote: a CSV parser, and an EDI parser, and a Word parser, and an Excel parser, and a SQL Server database file parser, and an AVI parser, and a ZIP parser, and a BMP parser, and a JPG parser, and an MP3 parser Greedy!!! :) Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003
Rob Manderson wrote: Greedy!!! Well, how am I going to write that amazing program that does everything without being given the exact bits I need as part of the toolset?
<WHINGE CLASS=VB_PROGRAMMER IDIOCY=MORE_MORONIC_THAN_USUAL>Why can't I write a media player that exports playlists as XML for my blog, generates JPG images on the fly for trippy visualisations and streams the audio to a thousand listeners in 10 lines of code and some controls on Form1? Then records all the statistics in SQL Server and processes them into a report for other people, transferred using EDI. In a second 10 lines of code and another control on Form1. And a third set of 10 lines of code can manipulate the Bluetooth dongle into a molecularising nano-constructer, and make me a real, live pony called Blossom Flower.</WHINGE>And this is why C++ shouldn't have a standardised, builtin, XML parser - because then the VBers would demand to be able to do the above :-)
Ian Darling "The different versions of the UN*X brand operating system are numbered in a logical sequence: 5, 6, 7, 2, 2.9, 3, 4.0, III, 4.1, V, 4.2, V.2, and 4.3" - Alan Filipski
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Ian Darling wrote: a CSV parser, and an EDI parser, and a Word parser, and an Excel parser, and a SQL Server database file parser, and an AVI parser, and a ZIP parser, and a BMP parser, and a JPG parser, and an MP3 parser Greedy!!! :) Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003
Greedy, yes. ;P Would you recommend an Open Source C/XML parser though? Norman Fung
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Rob Manderson wrote: Greedy!!! Well, how am I going to write that amazing program that does everything without being given the exact bits I need as part of the toolset?
<WHINGE CLASS=VB_PROGRAMMER IDIOCY=MORE_MORONIC_THAN_USUAL>Why can't I write a media player that exports playlists as XML for my blog, generates JPG images on the fly for trippy visualisations and streams the audio to a thousand listeners in 10 lines of code and some controls on Form1? Then records all the statistics in SQL Server and processes them into a report for other people, transferred using EDI. In a second 10 lines of code and another control on Form1. And a third set of 10 lines of code can manipulate the Bluetooth dongle into a molecularising nano-constructer, and make me a real, live pony called Blossom Flower.</WHINGE>And this is why C++ shouldn't have a standardised, builtin, XML parser - because then the VBers would demand to be able to do the above :-)
Ian Darling "The different versions of the UN*X brand operating system are numbered in a logical sequence: 5, 6, 7, 2, 2.9, 3, 4.0, III, 4.1, V, 4.2, V.2, and 4.3" - Alan Filipski
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: You remind me of someone over on http:/www.dvdrhelp.com[^] about a year ago. At the time a couple of programs had been released that did amazing things in compressing a 2 layer DVD to a single layer without losing all that much quality. Anyway, this guy was somewhat dissatisfied with either offering and had this 'amazing' idea of how it could be much better. All he needed was a programmer to write a couple of 'easy' pieces to his grand scheme. I must confess I did play with his mind a bit :) Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003
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Greedy, yes. ;P Would you recommend an Open Source C/XML parser though? Norman Fung
If I could I would. Alas, I haven't dabbled in XMS yet (but it will happen) :) Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003
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Greedy, yes. ;P Would you recommend an Open Source C/XML parser though? Norman Fung
Norman Fung wrote: Would you recommend an Open Source C/XML parser though? Given my XML experiences starts with me trying to write my own, and ending with MSXML and System.Xml, I'm afraid not. I keep hearing about this SAX thing though.
Ian Darling "The different versions of the UN*X brand operating system are numbered in a logical sequence: 5, 6, 7, 2, 2.9, 3, 4.0, III, 4.1, V, 4.2, V.2, and 4.3" - Alan Filipski
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Norman Fung wrote: Would you recommend an Open Source C/XML parser though? Given my XML experiences starts with me trying to write my own, and ending with MSXML and System.Xml, I'm afraid not. I keep hearing about this SAX thing though.
Ian Darling "The different versions of the UN*X brand operating system are numbered in a logical sequence: 5, 6, 7, 2, 2.9, 3, 4.0, III, 4.1, V, 4.2, V.2, and 4.3" - Alan Filipski
Thanks. Will look it up. In case if someone is curious: SAX[^] Norman Fung
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Greedy, yes. ;P Would you recommend an Open Source C/XML parser though? Norman Fung
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If Code Project can get organized, submit a petition and... 1. get "foreach" construct as part of ANSI standard for C++ 2. augment stdio with an XML parser :) Norman Fung
std::for_each already exists in <algorithm> My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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Norman Fung wrote: get "foreach" construct as part of ANSI standard for C++ Take a shufty at <algorithm> header for the following template:
template Function for_each( InputIterator _First, InputIterator _Last, Function _Func );It's already part of the standard. If you really want a foreach rather than a for_each, add in:
#define foreach for_each:-) Norman Fung wrote: 2. augment stdio with an XML parser And a CSV parser, and an EDI parser, and a Word parser, and an Excel parser, and a SQL Server database file parser, and an AVI parser, and a ZIP parser, and a BMP parser, and a JPG parser, and an MP3 parser, etc etc Our survey says
uh-uh
Ian Darling "The different versions of the UN*X brand operating system are numbered in a logical sequence: 5, 6, 7, 2, 2.9, 3, 4.0, III, 4.1, V, 4.2, V.2, and 4.3" - Alan Filipski
The STL for each is a primitive excuse for a for each. The construct is a kludge. Not to mention that even people like Meyers produce slower and more obscure bugs with this nasty construct trying to get it to do what they want. A true for each would be nice. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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If Code Project can get organized, submit a petition and... 1. get "foreach" construct as part of ANSI standard for C++ 2. augment stdio with an XML parser :) Norman Fung
Boo! Hiss! If we're going to have a petition, why not get rid of the absurd abbreviations for wide string functions and, while at it, change wchar_t to wchar? By rule, unicode equivilants of standard library functions should simply have a 'w' in front of them. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Boo! Hiss! If we're going to have a petition, why not get rid of the absurd abbreviations for wide string functions and, while at it, change wchar_t to wchar? By rule, unicode equivilants of standard library functions should simply have a 'w' in front of them. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
haha.. but it's the underscore that make us proud C++ programmers. Norman Fung
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The STL for each is a primitive excuse for a for each. The construct is a kludge. Not to mention that even people like Meyers produce slower and more obscure bugs with this nasty construct trying to get it to do what they want. A true for each would be nice. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Tim Smith wrote: produce slower and more obscure bugs What are slower bugs? Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke