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Mazdak wrote: Are they crazy? "they" who? ;P Actually, it's a bit of misunderstanding between the parts; the Vatican is right and the Health Dept. is right, too. The Vatican's approach of not using condoms on AIDS prevention works, if you fully read their advice: do sex with only one person on your whole life, and this person should do it too, and only during marriage. Don't forget, the Catholic church is a religion and they are supposed to follow what's written on the Bible, as fully as they can. On the opposite side, you can use condoms, and this will protect you from getting AIDS. But really, if your girlfriend comes and tell you "I have AIDS, let's make sex!", how many men would be able to do it, even with a condom? I wouldn't. :) What is foolish (actually, suicide), and both sides agree, is having unprotected sex with lots of people. Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
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Paul Watson wrote: Thabo Mbeki of South Africa, does not believe HIV causes AIDS Has he offered an explanation for what does cause AIDS? I have decided to not believe that gravity keeps us on this Earth.
EuroCPian Spring 2004 Get Together[^] "You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar "Get in touch with your Inner Capitalist - I wish you much success!" -- Christopher Duncan, Lounge 9-Feb-2004
He blames it on poverty. Ugh. It is complicated. The guy is bright no doubt but he just does not have a clue about his populace. He is arguing semantics and the lack of direct proof that HIV causes AIDS (AFAIK there has been no direct proof yet). He thinks we need the absolute truth when really we just need a practical way of handling it. Use condoms, don't sleep around and carry on paying your taxes. Then he brings up TB and Malaria claiming we should be focusing on them instead, not AIDS. Sure, to a degree he is right, but maybe less than 1 degree at the moment. One problem is that AIDS is seen as a dirty, degenerate thing. Many ANC (ruling party) members have died of AIDS but they are loathe to admit it, they say "No, he died of TB" which is technically correct, but come on. Condoms are not seen as a very masculine thing either, only one President in the whole of Africa has so far actually come out and said "Use condoms" (Botswana's prez). Lots of pride and ego swinging about here while people get infected and die. Go figure. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
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He blames it on poverty. Ugh. It is complicated. The guy is bright no doubt but he just does not have a clue about his populace. He is arguing semantics and the lack of direct proof that HIV causes AIDS (AFAIK there has been no direct proof yet). He thinks we need the absolute truth when really we just need a practical way of handling it. Use condoms, don't sleep around and carry on paying your taxes. Then he brings up TB and Malaria claiming we should be focusing on them instead, not AIDS. Sure, to a degree he is right, but maybe less than 1 degree at the moment. One problem is that AIDS is seen as a dirty, degenerate thing. Many ANC (ruling party) members have died of AIDS but they are loathe to admit it, they say "No, he died of TB" which is technically correct, but come on. Condoms are not seen as a very masculine thing either, only one President in the whole of Africa has so far actually come out and said "Use condoms" (Botswana's prez). Lots of pride and ego swinging about here while people get infected and die. Go figure. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Paul Watson wrote: Lots of pride and ego swinging about here while people get infected and die. Go figure. Darwin's theory of natural selection???
EuroCPian Spring 2004 Get Together[^] "You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar "Get in touch with your Inner Capitalist - I wish you much success!" -- Christopher Duncan, Lounge 9-Feb-2004
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Paul Watson wrote: Thabo Mbeki of South Africa, does not believe HIV causes AIDS Has he offered an explanation for what does cause AIDS? I have decided to not believe that gravity keeps us on this Earth.
EuroCPian Spring 2004 Get Together[^] "You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar "Get in touch with your Inner Capitalist - I wish you much success!" -- Christopher Duncan, Lounge 9-Feb-2004
Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I have decided to not believe that gravity keeps us on this Earth. In fact, you are absolute right. It isn't gravity that keeps us on Earth. Then what is it? HELLOOOO! It is the weight of our bodies, of course! :-D
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He blames it on poverty. Ugh. It is complicated. The guy is bright no doubt but he just does not have a clue about his populace. He is arguing semantics and the lack of direct proof that HIV causes AIDS (AFAIK there has been no direct proof yet). He thinks we need the absolute truth when really we just need a practical way of handling it. Use condoms, don't sleep around and carry on paying your taxes. Then he brings up TB and Malaria claiming we should be focusing on them instead, not AIDS. Sure, to a degree he is right, but maybe less than 1 degree at the moment. One problem is that AIDS is seen as a dirty, degenerate thing. Many ANC (ruling party) members have died of AIDS but they are loathe to admit it, they say "No, he died of TB" which is technically correct, but come on. Condoms are not seen as a very masculine thing either, only one President in the whole of Africa has so far actually come out and said "Use condoms" (Botswana's prez). Lots of pride and ego swinging about here while people get infected and die. Go figure. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
Paul Watson wrote: He is arguing semantics and the lack of direct proof that HIV causes AIDS So what is he doing about preventing people from getting HIV? Or is that just an inconvenient illness like having an allergy to pollen?
EuroCPian Spring 2004 Get Together[^] "You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar "Get in touch with your Inner Capitalist - I wish you much success!" -- Christopher Duncan, Lounge 9-Feb-2004
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Brazil Hands Out 10 Mln Condoms for Carnival[^] But Costa cautioned that the Roman Catholic church might oppose the campaign. The Vatican has opposed the use of condoms, and recently questioned their effectiveness against sexually transmitted diseases. Are they crazy? :confused: Mazy "Improvisation is the touchstone of wit." - Molière
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There are also people who believe the earth is flat.[^] "I'd be up a piece if I hadn't swallowed my bishop." Mr. Ed, playing chess
Ya know, that's not the only thing that's flat ... I bet the brain wave scan of that person looks "flat" as well. I read some of their content and was just about to buy into all of it until he said Australia does not exist. See, wouldn't that mean that Chris, having been in Australia, would have therefore gone to, uh, nowhere? nothing ... fallen off the edge of the Earth? Been in, emmm, the Twlight Zone or something. And if that were so, then where did he keep the servers plugged in to run CP? Ya know, makes you wonder if perhaps Chris then isn't come kind of Alien; but I would think we would see some use of a "sign" that he was/is, you know, like if Bob were ... uh ... :~ oh. wait a second. :omg: D.
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There are also people who believe the earth is flat.[^] "I'd be up a piece if I hadn't swallowed my bishop." Mr. Ed, playing chess
Navin wrote: There are also people who believe the earth is flat The Flat Earth Society wrote: While the Society is not a "crackpot" group, it is opposed to the fashionable, politically correct Spherical Earth theory, which is expounded every day by so-called "scientists", the media and political leaders. The Society asserts that the Earth is flat and has five sides, that all places in the Universe named Springfield are merely links in higher-dimensional space to one place, and that all assertions are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true false and meaningless in some sense. :wtf: If that is not crack pot I don't know what is? The Flat Earth Liberation Front Against Television wrote: FELFAT does not believe that the Earth is flat. We acknowledge the overwhelming circumstancial evidence that the Earth is currently round.... FELFAT however, holds the position that the Earth was formerly, and is naturally, entirely FLAT (and most likely unbounded). The earth was originally designed to be flat, and all aspects and features of this planet are properly understood only within the context of an entirely flat earth. The original flat earth was confined, restricted, and twisted into a perverse spherical shape by a conspiracy of TELEVISION BROADCASTERS in an attempt to realize their dream of TOTAL HUMAN MIND CONTROL through subsurviant captive homogonized market share. Before the Earth was enspherized, people could escape television broadcast beams by direct linear travel. This is no longer the case, as television broadcast transmissions encircle the finite globe. The goal was not spherization, but limitation. The most obvious solution, to cut off the remainder of the planet beyond a small fixed inner area, giving a flat, bounded earth with the traditional falling-off-the-edge-of-the-world, would have been too obvious, and would have left too much evidence of the deed. They are obviously crazy as well! Where do these people come from?
EuroCPian Spring 2004 Get Together[^] "You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig
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He blames it on poverty. Ugh. It is complicated. The guy is bright no doubt but he just does not have a clue about his populace. He is arguing semantics and the lack of direct proof that HIV causes AIDS (AFAIK there has been no direct proof yet). He thinks we need the absolute truth when really we just need a practical way of handling it. Use condoms, don't sleep around and carry on paying your taxes. Then he brings up TB and Malaria claiming we should be focusing on them instead, not AIDS. Sure, to a degree he is right, but maybe less than 1 degree at the moment. One problem is that AIDS is seen as a dirty, degenerate thing. Many ANC (ruling party) members have died of AIDS but they are loathe to admit it, they say "No, he died of TB" which is technically correct, but come on. Condoms are not seen as a very masculine thing either, only one President in the whole of Africa has so far actually come out and said "Use condoms" (Botswana's prez). Lots of pride and ego swinging about here while people get infected and die. Go figure. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass South Africa Christopher Duncan quoted: "...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives" Crikey! ain't life grand? Einstein says...
To my knowledge there isn't any direct proof that HIV causes AIDS. I can't remember the fellow's name but in light of this fact he used to(may still) parade around the US claiming to drink a solution containing the HIV virus to "support" his claims. Does anyone remember this dudes name?
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Mazdak wrote: Are they crazy? IMHO, Yes.
EuroCPian Spring 2004 Get Together[^] "You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar "Get in touch with your Inner Capitalist - I wish you much success!" -- Christopher Duncan, Lounge 9-Feb-2004
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Well, If that what Vatican say, I think its acceptable. Mazy "Improvisation is the touchstone of wit." - Molière
Mazdak wrote: Well, If that what Vatican say, I think its acceptable. Unless you claim to be Catholic, it doesn't matter. I disagree with the Vatican in a number of areas also, but it is no more relevant than, say, my disagreeing with the Elks Club bylaws - i'm under no obligation to accept them regardless.
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Navin wrote: There are also people who believe the earth is flat The Flat Earth Society wrote: While the Society is not a "crackpot" group, it is opposed to the fashionable, politically correct Spherical Earth theory, which is expounded every day by so-called "scientists", the media and political leaders. The Society asserts that the Earth is flat and has five sides, that all places in the Universe named Springfield are merely links in higher-dimensional space to one place, and that all assertions are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true false and meaningless in some sense. :wtf: If that is not crack pot I don't know what is? The Flat Earth Liberation Front Against Television wrote: FELFAT does not believe that the Earth is flat. We acknowledge the overwhelming circumstancial evidence that the Earth is currently round.... FELFAT however, holds the position that the Earth was formerly, and is naturally, entirely FLAT (and most likely unbounded). The earth was originally designed to be flat, and all aspects and features of this planet are properly understood only within the context of an entirely flat earth. The original flat earth was confined, restricted, and twisted into a perverse spherical shape by a conspiracy of TELEVISION BROADCASTERS in an attempt to realize their dream of TOTAL HUMAN MIND CONTROL through subsurviant captive homogonized market share. Before the Earth was enspherized, people could escape television broadcast beams by direct linear travel. This is no longer the case, as television broadcast transmissions encircle the finite globe. The goal was not spherization, but limitation. The most obvious solution, to cut off the remainder of the planet beyond a small fixed inner area, giving a flat, bounded earth with the traditional falling-off-the-edge-of-the-world, would have been too obvious, and would have left too much evidence of the deed. They are obviously crazy as well! Where do these people come from?
EuroCPian Spring 2004 Get Together[^] "You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig
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Gosh! Those are big fonts he's using.
EuroCPian Spring 2004 Get Together[^] "You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar "Get in touch with your Inner Capitalist - I wish you much success!" -- Christopher Duncan, Lounge 9-Feb-2004
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Brazil Hands Out 10 Mln Condoms for Carnival[^] But Costa cautioned that the Roman Catholic church might oppose the campaign. The Vatican has opposed the use of condoms, and recently questioned their effectiveness against sexually transmitted diseases. Are they crazy? :confused: Mazy "Improvisation is the touchstone of wit." - Molière
Mazdak wrote: Vatican has opposed the use of condoms, "The Roman Catholic Church has admitted erring these past 359 years in formally condemning Galileo Galilei for entertaining scientific truths it long denounced as anti-scriptural heresy." http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~danwilcox/galileo.html[^] We only need to wait 359 years for the Vatican to admit they are wrong! jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
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To my knowledge there isn't any direct proof that HIV causes AIDS. I can't remember the fellow's name but in light of this fact he used to(may still) parade around the US claiming to drink a solution containing the HIV virus to "support" his claims. Does anyone remember this dudes name?
Peter Duesberg, Professor of Molecular and Cell biology at Berkeley is sceptic about HIV/AIDS but I have not heard anything from him in some years. jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
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Mazdak wrote: Well, If that what Vatican say, I think its acceptable. Unless you claim to be Catholic, it doesn't matter. I disagree with the Vatican in a number of areas also, but it is no more relevant than, say, my disagreeing with the Elks Club bylaws - i'm under no obligation to accept them regardless.
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Mazdak wrote: Are they crazy? "they" who? ;P Actually, it's a bit of misunderstanding between the parts; the Vatican is right and the Health Dept. is right, too. The Vatican's approach of not using condoms on AIDS prevention works, if you fully read their advice: do sex with only one person on your whole life, and this person should do it too, and only during marriage. Don't forget, the Catholic church is a religion and they are supposed to follow what's written on the Bible, as fully as they can. On the opposite side, you can use condoms, and this will protect you from getting AIDS. But really, if your girlfriend comes and tell you "I have AIDS, let's make sex!", how many men would be able to do it, even with a condom? I wouldn't. :) What is foolish (actually, suicide), and both sides agree, is having unprotected sex with lots of people. Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
Daniel Turini wrote: Actually, it's a bit of misunderstanding between the parts; the Vatican is right and the Health Dept. is right, too. The problem with what the Catholic church is saying is this: they say that the AIDS virus passes right through condoms. Therefore, condoms provide absolutely no protection at all. This belief has two effects: (1) it can cause people to not have sex because condoms provide no protection (this is what the Catholic church is aiming for, even though they are doing it by lying to people), and (2) people have sex without condoms because they think the condoms don't help anyway, so why bother. The second effect has been seen in various places where AIDS is rampant, and it is a big reason why people are coming down on the Catholic church. ------------------------------------------ Law of Nazi Analogies: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. In any debate, Hitler's opinion on the subject is automatically the evil one, so it had better be contrary to the side you're arguing.