Windows Source Code - where?
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How to write an operating system? ;-)
And why do you believe that, by looking at partial (15%), illegaly obtained, unsuported, Windows2k source you will learn more about building OSes than looking at legal, fully documented and supported Linux source code? Just point your browser to http://www.kernel.org/ and take a look. LXR is a great tool to understand Linux source code. Pages like this are available on the internet that allow you to understand, a piece at a time, what that huge code base is doing. BTW, without reading texts or a book on OS building, both MS and Linux code won't help you nothing. You won't be able to learn from a single line of code. It's like trying to understand what is a doubly linked list or a neural network merely by looking at code highly optimized code, without knowing the underlying algorithms. You first need to understand what is thunking, ring 0, processor cache, etc... Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
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How to get a look at the 660mb code snippet MainSoft released of Win2k? Download from where? If you know anything I'm interested. It should equal 15% of OS. Thanks in advance. Regards, Michael Mogensen, mm it-consult dk. ><((((º> ·.¸¸.· ><((((º> ·.¸¸.· ><((((º>
Again, I wonder why more people don't use IRC. I guess it's either too complicated or too "out of scope" for most "higher-end" computer professionals out there and remains a communication medium still used only by true geeks. After all, it is all-text, no flashy pictures or menus of people online, and no friendly user interface since it's targeted more toward unix environments than people's precious GUIs. Anyway, in the IRC sub-world the source was available everywhere almost instantaneously and those who wanted it either had it right away or had it by the time they woke up. The rest of you will be following broken links around the web for weeks until you happen to stumble across one that hasn't been taken down yet. - Jason (SonorkID 100.611) The Code Project - Orange makes the art grow fonder
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"I'd be too worried that I'd remember some detail of the code not disclosed in the public API's and thus open to legal action some time down the track." I wouldn't be in the least worried. I don't think you are going to find any brilliant algorithms in the Windows code. More likely, I would say most of the code has "evolved", rather than been designed, so even if you did understand it, you would probably say "Yuck! There is a much better way to implement that"
ed welch wrote: I wouldn't be in the least worried. I don't think you are going to find any brilliant algorithms in the Windows code. More likely, I would say most of the code has "evolved", rather than been designed, so even if you did understand it, you would probably say "Yuck! There is a much better way to implement that" Do you think Microsoft's lawyers care?
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Again, I wonder why more people don't use IRC. I guess it's either too complicated or too "out of scope" for most "higher-end" computer professionals out there and remains a communication medium still used only by true geeks. After all, it is all-text, no flashy pictures or menus of people online, and no friendly user interface since it's targeted more toward unix environments than people's precious GUIs. Anyway, in the IRC sub-world the source was available everywhere almost instantaneously and those who wanted it either had it right away or had it by the time they woke up. The rest of you will be following broken links around the web for weeks until you happen to stumble across one that hasn't been taken down yet. - Jason (SonorkID 100.611) The Code Project - Orange makes the art grow fonder
Jason Hooper wrote: Again, I wonder why more people don't use IRC. I guess it's either too complicated or too "out of scope" for most "higher-end" computer professionals out there and remains a communication medium still used only by true geeks. As a computer professional and a true geek and an internet user since just about the time Al Gore invented it ;) I will explain why I don't use IRC: My impression is that it's full of geeks with nothing useful to say, kinda like SlashDot only with more pedophiles and lowlife scumbag hackers and crackers. I could be wrong, but everything I've ever heard from peripheral sources re-enforces that.
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Ok, let me understand it: why? What will you learn there that you won't learn on Linux kernel and WINE? :confused: Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
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Ok, let me understand it: why? What will you learn there that you won't learn on Linux kernel and WINE? :confused: Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
Daniel Turini wrote: What will you learn there that you won't learn on Linux kernel and WINE? How to hack minesweeper ? :laugh:
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Michael Mogensen wrote: How to get a look at the 660mb code snippet MainSoft released of Win2k? Err, I would not use the word "released". - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" ShotKeeper, my Photo Album / Organizer Application[^]
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How to write an operating system? ;-)
There is no doubt in my mind that linux is a better designed operating system but as long as 90%+ of the pcs out there have Windows on them I will continue to write my applications for windows.... John
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Correcting at last this fucking bug in Explorer with the Folder pane not correctly updated.
And I'm talking to myself at night because I can't forget Back and forth through my mind Behind a cigarette
:laugh: I agree. And also the bug when a network drive is down and every time I try to open a file on a completly different drive I have to wait 10+ seconds while windows tries to access the disconnected drive. Why does it need to do this? So it can be sure that the volume label in explorer (for the disconnected drive) has not changed in the last ten minutes? Who cares about that? This bug existed for as long as I can remember and yet there are no attempts to fix it... John
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How to get a look at the 660mb code snippet MainSoft released of Win2k? Download from where? If you know anything I'm interested. It should equal 15% of OS. Thanks in advance. Regards, Michael Mogensen, mm it-consult dk. ><((((º> ·.¸¸.· ><((((º> ·.¸¸.· ><((((º>
Try kazaa or emule-project they are peer to peer software, you may find this kinda stuff over there.
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Ok, let me understand it: why? What will you learn there that you won't learn on Linux kernel and WINE? :confused: Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
If i wanted the source code , then the reason would be to understand the coding style that microsoft has enforced in their organization. I guess that will improve my "coding handwriting" in some way or maybe.
"When death smiles at you, only thing you can do is smile back at it" - Russel Crowe (Gladiator)
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Ok, let me understand it: why? What will you learn there that you won't learn on Linux kernel and WINE? :confused: Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
One commonality among most developers through the ages is that we all enjoy gathering information and learning. I'd love to see the code as well although I certainly have no practical use. It's just a "thing" that many of us simply enjoy seeing and learning something new. Cheers, Tom Archer Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic. * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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Jason Hooper wrote: Again, I wonder why more people don't use IRC. I guess it's either too complicated or too "out of scope" for most "higher-end" computer professionals out there and remains a communication medium still used only by true geeks. As a computer professional and a true geek and an internet user since just about the time Al Gore invented it ;) I will explain why I don't use IRC: My impression is that it's full of geeks with nothing useful to say, kinda like SlashDot only with more pedophiles and lowlife scumbag hackers and crackers. I could be wrong, but everything I've ever heard from peripheral sources re-enforces that.
SHIN, n. a body part used to find furniture in the darkExactly. I've had way too many friends that have told me to stay away from IRC clients. Do I really want to install a client on my box that was written by people that promote stealing code and information? Um. Not really. Cheers, Tom Archer Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic. * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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One commonality among most developers through the ages is that we all enjoy gathering information and learning. I'd love to see the code as well although I certainly have no practical use. It's just a "thing" that many of us simply enjoy seeing and learning something new. Cheers, Tom Archer Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic. * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
Come on, Tom, it's not information gathering, it’s sheer curiosity. We are all curious about the code quality, development procedures and so on, but really, who wants to read a HAL implementation? There are tons of free kernels available on the web for ages, and nobody cares (at least, nobody that's thrilled about the source leak). I do understand someone looking for those sources for curiosity and even (future) historical interest, but really, believing that you’ll learn something from these sources is naive... Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
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Jason Hooper wrote: Again, I wonder why more people don't use IRC. I guess it's either too complicated or too "out of scope" for most "higher-end" computer professionals out there and remains a communication medium still used only by true geeks. As a computer professional and a true geek and an internet user since just about the time Al Gore invented it ;) I will explain why I don't use IRC: My impression is that it's full of geeks with nothing useful to say, kinda like SlashDot only with more pedophiles and lowlife scumbag hackers and crackers. I could be wrong, but everything I've ever heard from peripheral sources re-enforces that.
SHIN, n. a body part used to find furniture in the darkI use IRC all day long to group communicate with friends and coworkers. Much more convenient than E-mail, ICQ, phone, etc. But yeah, we're geeks. :) -- Meine Welt ist monoton und minimal, doch ganz total!
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Come on, Tom, it's not information gathering, it’s sheer curiosity. We are all curious about the code quality, development procedures and so on, but really, who wants to read a HAL implementation? There are tons of free kernels available on the web for ages, and nobody cares (at least, nobody that's thrilled about the source leak). I do understand someone looking for those sources for curiosity and even (future) historical interest, but really, believing that you’ll learn something from these sources is naive... Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
For me personally, gathering information is generally to satisify curiosity so they're one in the same. I can't speak for others, but I'd love to see the HAL implementation. As for other kernels, why do I care about them? That's not the system I develop on. Now seeing the actual low-level code for the system I work on that I thought I'd never see. That's pretty damn cool to me. :) My point is that you're making an assumption and generalization about everyone when not all of us are the same. I'm just saying that many people like myself would like to see this code just to see it. Cheers, Tom Archer Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic. * Inside C# -Second Edition * Visual C++.NET Bible * Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework
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There is no doubt in my mind that linux is a better designed operating system but as long as 90%+ of the pcs out there have Windows on them I will continue to write my applications for windows.... John
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Redhat or Mandrake. http://fedora.redhat.com/[^] http://www.mandrakesoft.com/[^] You should be able to freely download the .iso images and burn them to cd roms using nero or roxio. John
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"I'd be too worried that I'd remember some detail of the code not disclosed in the public API's and thus open to legal action some time down the track." I wouldn't be in the least worried. I don't think you are going to find any brilliant algorithms in the Windows code. More likely, I would say most of the code has "evolved", rather than been designed, so even if you did understand it, you would probably say "Yuck! There is a much better way to implement that"
ed welch wrote: I don't think you are going to find any brilliant algorithms in the Windows code. Nor do I. But I did specifically name the public API's. The risk I see here is in noticing some undocumented flag or value and using it, thereby revealing that I had seen the source code. Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003
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Correcting at last this fucking bug in Explorer with the Folder pane not correctly updated.
And I'm talking to myself at night because I can't forget Back and forth through my mind Behind a cigarette
Okay, let's say we get the code, find where the bug is located and then fix it. Next step is: How the hell do we compile it? Rickard Andersson Here is my card, contact me later! UIN: 50302279 Sonork: 37318