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How 'bout Mozilla instead? What a piece of work is man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable . . . and yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? -- Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.
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Hi, Yeah, Netscape is real fun! I am working on an ASP.NET project for a big company and guess what browser they use company-wide (> 100000 people). Netscape 4.7 on WinNt (not even 2000). The time I have to spend because the site looks like a mess on Netscape is unbelievable! Keith
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Hi, Yeah, Netscape is real fun! I am working on an ASP.NET project for a big company and guess what browser they use company-wide (> 100000 people). Netscape 4.7 on WinNt (not even 2000). The time I have to spend because the site looks like a mess on Netscape is unbelievable! Keith
Gee, sorry but you just gave me a good reason why i should never take up ASP or any web related programming in my distant future. What if these guys upgraded their Netscape to 7.1 , will the pages look different then?? If it does will you be called again to fix the problem?
"When death smiles at you, only thing you can do is smile back at it" - Russel Crowe (Gladiator)
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Gee, sorry but you just gave me a good reason why i should never take up ASP or any web related programming in my distant future. What if these guys upgraded their Netscape to 7.1 , will the pages look different then?? If it does will you be called again to fix the problem?
"When death smiles at you, only thing you can do is smile back at it" - Russel Crowe (Gladiator)
Mr.Prakash wrote: Gee, sorry but you just gave me a good reason why i should never take up ASP or any web related programming in my distant future. Some people find money a good reason to do web related programming. Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
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Mr.Prakash wrote: Gee, sorry but you just gave me a good reason why i should never take up ASP or any web related programming in my distant future. Some people find money a good reason to do web related programming. Perl combines all the worst aspects of C and Lisp: a billion different sublanguages in one monolithic executable. It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript. -- Jamie Zawinski
There you go! At the end of the day, that is what matters.. a lot :) Keith
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Gee, sorry but you just gave me a good reason why i should never take up ASP or any web related programming in my distant future. What if these guys upgraded their Netscape to 7.1 , will the pages look different then?? If it does will you be called again to fix the problem?
"When death smiles at you, only thing you can do is smile back at it" - Russel Crowe (Gladiator)
Mr.Prakash wrote: Gee, sorry but you just gave me a good reason why i should never take up ASP or any web related programming in my distant future. Gee, come on man! Hurdles are there in solving any kind of problems! You cannot turn down well-paying jobs because there are some technical problems...why else would they hire you? ;) Though I do wish that even if there corporate policy was to use Netscape, they would upgrade. However, what they do here is that they wait till the "product is corporate-safe" (whatever that means). For me it means that there is no XP or even Win 2000 machine there yet. They still use WinNT. Maybe in another year, they will think that 2000 is corporate-safe now. Just idiosyncracies that comes with dealing with big companies. Keith
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Hi, Yeah, Netscape is real fun! I am working on an ASP.NET project for a big company and guess what browser they use company-wide (> 100000 people). Netscape 4.7 on WinNt (not even 2000). The time I have to spend because the site looks like a mess on Netscape is unbelievable! Keith
try 4.7 on a solaris box, now that sucks. They want to show/hide rows that have input tags and they want it to have nice borders and fonts. As everyone has been saying to me, have fun.
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There you go! At the end of the day, that is what matters.. a lot :) Keith
Well , humm, you guys do have a point that as long as there is money then its fine. Lets take the money or satisfaction of job or hormonal surge out of the equation. You see if you have used Netscape 7.1 to browse CodeProject you will find that few functionality of the page is missing for instance "Quote Selected Text" is nowhere visible in Netscape. When i reported this to Chris, he said Netscape does not have the feature that codeproject provides. Fine but when you make web based application ( i assume asp, php, jsp, etc) you can not ask the customer to use IE or netscape (unless you can , no idea bout the deal on webbased app) The developer will say that "I have done it your browser does not support it" but the client will say "I cant see it so you have not implemented it" This matter i guess is kinda out of our control. Which I dont want to fall into.. I hope you respect my opinion :-) nothing personal really. If it wasnt ASP, Codeproject would be different(may be) :cool:
"When death smiles at you, only thing you can do is smile back at it" - Russel Crowe (Gladiator)
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Well , humm, you guys do have a point that as long as there is money then its fine. Lets take the money or satisfaction of job or hormonal surge out of the equation. You see if you have used Netscape 7.1 to browse CodeProject you will find that few functionality of the page is missing for instance "Quote Selected Text" is nowhere visible in Netscape. When i reported this to Chris, he said Netscape does not have the feature that codeproject provides. Fine but when you make web based application ( i assume asp, php, jsp, etc) you can not ask the customer to use IE or netscape (unless you can , no idea bout the deal on webbased app) The developer will say that "I have done it your browser does not support it" but the client will say "I cant see it so you have not implemented it" This matter i guess is kinda out of our control. Which I dont want to fall into.. I hope you respect my opinion :-) nothing personal really. If it wasnt ASP, Codeproject would be different(may be) :cool:
"When death smiles at you, only thing you can do is smile back at it" - Russel Crowe (Gladiator)
Hi, Mr.Prakash wrote: This matter i guess is kinda out of our control. The matter is not out of my control. Unfortunately, in my case the client is right. I knew before-hand that they use netscape 4.7 and at the end of the day I have to deliver the functionality that I have promised working in Netscape. CodeProject is a different case. There is no contract for the deliverables or Chris is not working for someone. Of cours, it is in his interest that the site works with the plethora of browsers that are around, but he is not compelled to make it cross-browser compatible. Keith
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try 4.7 on a solaris box, now that sucks. They want to show/hide rows that have input tags and they want it to have nice borders and fonts. As everyone has been saying to me, have fun.
haha...another day in the life of a parogrammer :) Keith
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Well , humm, you guys do have a point that as long as there is money then its fine. Lets take the money or satisfaction of job or hormonal surge out of the equation. You see if you have used Netscape 7.1 to browse CodeProject you will find that few functionality of the page is missing for instance "Quote Selected Text" is nowhere visible in Netscape. When i reported this to Chris, he said Netscape does not have the feature that codeproject provides. Fine but when you make web based application ( i assume asp, php, jsp, etc) you can not ask the customer to use IE or netscape (unless you can , no idea bout the deal on webbased app) The developer will say that "I have done it your browser does not support it" but the client will say "I cant see it so you have not implemented it" This matter i guess is kinda out of our control. Which I dont want to fall into.. I hope you respect my opinion :-) nothing personal really. If it wasnt ASP, Codeproject would be different(may be) :cool:
"When death smiles at you, only thing you can do is smile back at it" - Russel Crowe (Gladiator)
Mr.Prakash wrote: If it wasnt ASP, Codeproject would be different Maybe, maybe not. After all, the output of ASP is HTML, and using it has nothing to do with what the browser displays. As far as I know there is no browser that implements HTML 4.0 and CSS 2.0 fully, and no browser provider publishes a full disclosure of just what is implemented. Customizing can be done entirely in CSS, and I know that MS has style sheets for 3 different browsers (I stole them once upon a time) to support some of their pages. It's possible (within limits) to determine what browser a user is viewing the site with, and to load a different style sheet for each. ASP just makes this easier.:) Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
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How 'bout Mozilla instead? What a piece of work is man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable . . . and yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? -- Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.
I have been using both recently and they are very different, so you need to test using both browsers, + Firefox
"There is no monument dedicated to the memory of a committee." - Lester J. Pourciau
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Mr.Prakash wrote: If it wasnt ASP, Codeproject would be different Maybe, maybe not. After all, the output of ASP is HTML, and using it has nothing to do with what the browser displays. As far as I know there is no browser that implements HTML 4.0 and CSS 2.0 fully, and no browser provider publishes a full disclosure of just what is implemented. Customizing can be done entirely in CSS, and I know that MS has style sheets for 3 different browsers (I stole them once upon a time) to support some of their pages. It's possible (within limits) to determine what browser a user is viewing the site with, and to load a different style sheet for each. ASP just makes this easier.:) Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
you've just lost your turn..." [sigh] So true...Yeah, if everyone just followed standards :) Also, it is a matter of time. When you are under strict deadlines, you have to prioritize. I know my client wants Netscape 4.7 and the web part is just one part of the project. So I chose not to go out of my way to make sure it works with every browser. IE and Netscape 4.7 is good enough for me. One thing that annoyed me was I could not get the tooltips to work on a datagrid cell on Netscape 4.7 :mad: Keith
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I have been using both recently and they are very different, so you need to test using both browsers, + Firefox
"There is no monument dedicated to the memory of a committee." - Lester J. Pourciau
Thanks for the FYI... it's been a while since I did any cross-browser testing, and the last time the two behaved indentically in terms of what I was doing. What a piece of work is man, how noble in reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and admirable . . . and yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? -- Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.
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Yeah, if everyone just followed standards :) Also, it is a matter of time. When you are under strict deadlines, you have to prioritize. I know my client wants Netscape 4.7 and the web part is just one part of the project. So I chose not to go out of my way to make sure it works with every browser. IE and Netscape 4.7 is good enough for me. One thing that annoyed me was I could not get the tooltips to work on a datagrid cell on Netscape 4.7 :mad: Keith
Keith Vitali wrote: if everyone just followed standards Wouldn't that be sweet? :wistful sigh: I was responding to the apparent reluctance to learn ASP because of browser issues, and pointing out that there are no such issues - the problem is compliance with the spec, not the method used to deliver the HTML. I would dearly love to find a website that lists the HTML and CSS specs, paragraph by paragraph, with a column for each of the several browsers and recent versions to indicate whether the feature is supported, not supported, or badly supported. What a time saver that would be for all of us! Maybe someday when I have a lot more ambition I'll do the research and publish it myself.:) Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
you've just lost your turn..." [sigh] So true...